I think we may be making a change...

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

I would be so fcking pumped up if we hired Joe Brady. I don't give a shit that he would have a learning curve. And I don't give a shit that he would leave after 5 years if successful.

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So i assume you are ok with the shape of the program right now? Because we currently have a young coach who appears not to be ready yet. We are living through the results of a learning curve right now. That's why we are in this mess.

Why do that again?

Every reasonable candidate would have risk.....the risk with Moorhead was the same as the risk with Joe Brady.

Let's take a less risky route if possible and hire someone with more experience.

Yes

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

So what happened with his wife at the bowl game?

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Crying in rest room.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

That's a damn disgrace if true. Anyone who harasses his family should be permanently banned from attending any MSU sporting events.

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It is...and that sucks for her. Shitty people have always existed and always will.

Having said that, if I took a dump on the Davis Wade sideline I bet the turd would outcoach Joe.

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Originally Posted by ATTILLA THE DOG

I wanted Hud before we hired Mullen and I think we are better off today had that been the case.

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Me too. Not dismissing anything that Mullen did, but I think Hud would have done just as well and he would still be here rolling along.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

This guy is a rising a star and we will have one chance to hire him and that time is now.

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Joe moorhead was a rising star when we hire him. Virtually everyone lauded the hire as great

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

Me too. Not dismissing anything that Mullen did, but I think Hud would have done just as well and he would still be here rolling along.

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Yep

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Originally Posted by basedog

Crying in rest room.

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Hard not to after watching that offense

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Christmas

I post infrequently these days, but I actually have a source on what they might be referring to.

Joe's daughter is having a VERY rough time at State right now. According to my source, Joe says she's being "harassed" constantly due to his job performance. I don't know how much she's actually getting "harassed", but I bet she's had to endure at least some heckling.

Anyways, apparently Joe's ridiculous Egg bowl postgame behavior was fueled by his anger over his daughter's perceived treatment.

This may not be related to what OP is hinting at, but wanted to share what I had.

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I'm so sick of hearing this shit about his damn daughter. I'm not mad at you for posting it and appreciate the info but that guy uses this card every time the shit hits the fan.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

I doubt it's going to happen so it's pointless to argue about. I understand why you and many others would feel that way, but I just vehemently disagree. This guy is a rising a star and we will have one chance to hire him and that time is now.

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IMO, you would make the same mistake with Brady as they did with Moorhead. It would be hiring a coach based on the offensive system he ran, only this time, it is one he ran with a historical quarterback. If it were to happen, you don?t do it and then pull the plug in two years. I doubt the guy even knows how to lead at this point. There have been a lot of rising stars in football who have been hired as a head coach entirely too soon who were abject disasters when they became head coaches.

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Originally Posted by deadheaddawg

Joe moorhead was a rising star when we hire him. Virtually everyone lauded the hire as great

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True. But he turned out to be like a late '90s internet stock everyone wanted to buy at the time.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

I doubt it's going to happen so it's pointless to argue about. I understand why you and many others would feel that way, but I just vehemently disagree. This guy is a rising a star and we will have one chance to hire him and that time is now.

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Our roster doesnt fit his offense. Would be Moorhead Part 2. Would have to change the roster. And that takes a couple of years.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

I doubt it's going to happen so it's pointless to argue about. I understand why you and many others would feel that way, but I just vehemently disagree. This guy is a rising a star and we will have one chance to hire him and that time is now.

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I normally agree with you, but we could be making the same mistake again... LSU is absolutely loaded at the skill position just like penn st was.

ETA... we need to look at guys that win/perform without massive talent gaps

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Hard not to after watching that offense

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Every time I started to choke up watching it, I blacked out from boredom so I never actually cried.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Hard not to after watching that offense

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I will say you made me laugh, maybe there is a lot of truth in what u say. But family matters, I told someone it may have changed Joe's thinking.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Our roster doesnt fit his offense. Would be Moorhead Part 2. Would have to change the roster. And that takes a couple of years.

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Don't know why folks don't get this. You have to have an elite passer with really exceptional skill players too. That doesn't fit exactly what we typically recruit or can recruit.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

I'm so sick of hearing this shit about his damn daughter. I'm not mad at you for posting it and appreciate the info but that guy uses this card every time the shit hits the fan.

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Totally agree. I'm just passing along what Joe himself is saying. It might be total BS and she just overheard bad stuff about her dad at The Veranda....who knows?

The point is her dad breathes heavily from the mouth and sucks at coaching.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Hard not to after watching that offense

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Hell I was crying in my easy chair!

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Originally Posted by Jarius

I'm so sick of hearing this shit about his damn daughter. I'm not mad at you for posting it and appreciate the info but that guy uses this card every time the shit hits the fan.

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Not sure that he and his family are cut out for being a P5 HC where fans care about winning. They are way too interested in what everyone is saying about them here or there and wanting everyone to like them. There are reasons you get paid millions of dollars and live in a fishbowl with this type of job. You need a little teflon, especially if you are not going to perform your job well.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Hard not to after watching that offense

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LOL ... Especially in her's and her daughter's shoes ... knowing they gonna be hearing during the offseason around campus and Starkville.

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Originally Posted by basedog

Crying in rest room.

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I'd bet money this was from her overhearing fans directing their verbal ire at her husband during the game, and not to her directly. I couldn't pick her out of a lineup, and I assume most fans probably couldn't either.

I'm sure its distressing to see and hear such unfettered anger directed at a loved one, but sorry....this is the SEC, not a country club. If you want sunshine and roses, might want to go back to Fordham.

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

I'd bet money this was from her overhearing fans directing their verbal ire at her husband during the game, and not to her directly. I couldn't pick her out of a lineup, and I assume most fans probably couldn't either.

I'm sure its distressing to see and hear such unfettered anger directed at a loved one, but sorry....this is the SEC, not a country club. If you want sunshine and roses, might want to go back to Fordham.

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I'm betting he will. I hope a change is made.

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Originally Posted by basedog

I will say you made me laugh, maybe there is a lot of truth in what u say. But family matters, I told someone it may have changed Joe's thinking.

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I will say I hate that for his wife and kids- but it comes with the territory. I had people yelling at my ass during games the last 2 seasons- and we set school records at both schools. Just got to have thick skin and Joe's is too thin for $3 million plus per year

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Our roster doesnt fit his offense. Would be Moorhead Part 2. Would have to change the roster. And that takes a couple of years.

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I'm ok with that. Next year is going to be a rebuilding year anyway. Joe has been trying to recruit to a similar system, just no where near as good.

In 40+ years of watching College Football, I have never seen an assistant make an impact like Brady did this year.

I would not be fired up about Hud at all. Rather gamble on Brady. Recruits would freaking love him. He would need to hire a couple of ex-head coaches as coordinators.

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

I'd bet money this was from her overhearing fans directing their verbal ire at her husband during the game, and not to her directly. I couldn't pick her out of a lineup, and I assume most fans probably couldn't either.

I'm sure its distressing to see and hear such unfettered anger directed at a loved one, but sorry....this is the SEC, not a country club. If you want sunshine and roses, might want to go back to Fordham.

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I honestly could not pick out a single family member of his in a lineup. Mullen's wife was highly visible. Moorhead's is not. I've never heard a quote from her. I can't imagine anyone is directing anyone directly at her.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

I honestly could not pick out a single family member of his in a lineup. Mullen's wife was highly visible. Moorhead's is not. I've never heard a quote from her. I can't imagine anyone is directing anyone directly at her.

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Exactly. Megan was everywhere.

I just think the entire family, Joe included, underestimated what it meant to be a HC in the SEC. It's different.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Mullen's wife was highly visible. Moorhead's is not. I've never heard a quote from her.

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How do I say this nicely?.....she's not overly intelligent or interesting.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

I honestly could not pick out a single family member of his in a lineup. Mullen's wife was highly visible. Moorhead's is not. I've never heard a quote from her. I can't imagine anyone is directing anyone directly at her.

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Hell why wasn't she sitting in a suite like most coaches family do, that would have insulated her.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I will say I hate that for his wife and kids- but it comes with the territory. I had people yelling at my ass during games the last 2 seasons- and we set school records at both schools. Just got to have thick skin and Joe's is too thin for $3 million plus per year

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I agree, it's a rough thing dealing with your job that has gone bad but going home to watch or listen to family members makes for no relieve. I think Joe knows there is no winning in his future at Msu. I think he would be smart to take buyout money, sit a year and get refocused. If not I'm not sure he can recover getting another decent job being fired next year which looks like a total rebuild. Just me I suppose.

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Christmas

How do I say this nicely?.....she's not overly intelligent or interesting.

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That didn’t quite work.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I normally agree with you, but we could be making the same mistake again... LSU is absolutely loaded at the skill position just like penn st was.

ETA... we need to look at guys that win/perform without massive talent gaps

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Brady wouldn't be able to take us to the playoffs like he did with LSU this year. But we would be fun to watch, players would want to play in his system, and we could get to 8 wins with the right supporting staff.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Would be very surprised if we took this chance after having to make a change

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Me too. I don't believe he has ever been an OC before at this level.

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Originally Posted by msbulldog

If what I heard about a certain family member is true, things may have had a change of heart, family matters. So...

Well if I'm reading this right and JM's wife had an issue at the bowl game, like I heard. This could mean she came home and said get me out of here and made JM have a change of heart about staying.

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"Honey I know you are setting up our kids and grandkids for life, but someone called you a stinky poopy face so it's time we leave"

Yeah..... That didn't happen

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I normally agree with you, but we could be making the same mistake again... LSU is absolutely loaded at the skill position just like penn st was.

ETA... we need to look at guys that win/perform without massive talent gaps

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If we did hire Brady, we?d have to be patient. More patient then with Joe BUT the silver lining is the state of Mississippi is loaded in the 2021 class with WR players at least 3-4 4 star WRs including the top one who committed to LSU because of Brady. He could be off and running in 2021 if we were patient with him in 2020.

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Originally Posted by basedog

Crying in rest room.

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That was me.**

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Brady wouldn't be able to take us to the playoffs like he did with LSU this year. But we would be fun to watch, players would want to play in his system, and we could get to 8 wins with the right supporting staff.

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If the choice is Brady or moorhead though, bring on Brady

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Me too. I don't believe he has ever been an OC before at this level.

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He won the Broyles award this year. Make no mistake about it, he was the OC for LSU this year. LSU is about to pay him big bucks to stay.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

I'm ok with that. Next year is going to be a rebuilding year anyway. Joe has been trying to recruit to a similar system, just no where near as good.

In 40+ years of watching College Football, I have never seen an assistant make an impact like Brady did this year.

I would not be fired up about Hud at all. Rather gamble on Brady. Recruits would freaking love him. He would need to hire a couple of ex-head coaches as coordinators.

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I think his offense is great for LSU and their talent. I think it would be a lead balloon at State. I may be right- you may be right- it's a gamble. Hard for me to see our recruiting profile change enough for him to be successful

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Christmas

I post infrequently these days, but I actually have a source on what they might be referring to.

Joe's daughter is having a VERY rough time at State right now. According to my source, Joe says she's being "harassed" constantly due to his job performance. I don't know how much she's actually getting "harassed", but I bet she's had to endure at least some heckling.

Anyways, apparently Joe's ridiculous Egg bowl postgame behavior was fueled by his anger over his daughter's perceived treatment.

This may not be related to what OP is hinting at, but wanted to share what I had.

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Is it real harassment or someone not being able to handle the truth?

Last time it was because people were talking about how shitty of a coach he was. They were talking or ranting, amongst themselves at the game. Nothing was directed at his daughter.

If she cannot handle fans ranting about shitty coaching, she should stay home. Because calling Sloppy Joes performances shitty, is being nice.

This clown tells us to kick rocks and pound sand, and then tries to use the daughter excuse every time his head is on the chopping block. All the more reason he needs to GTFO.

I’ve meet Joes wife a couple of times and the kids too, all very nice people. Joes wife is friends with someone in our extended tailgate group. She is very low key, nothing like Megan was. Megan was always on a PR mission promoting the Mullen brand. Moorhead wife almost seemed uncomfortable with all the hoopla surrounding being a SEC head coaches wife.