So here's a question about stupid hot games like this.

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Originally Posted by StateDawg44

Nah I get what you are trying to convey. It's really not that complex. It's actually so simple there was no need for me to acknowledge that so I didn't. But here you go...

It's not hard to understand that a hostile environment helps the home team. But you seem to be putting a little too much emphasis on that IMO. What about Florida last year? What about UT losing to Georgia State with a hostile environment? BYU at home? The crowd plays a big part but not nearly as much as you make it seem. There is only so much fans can do.

Me not being there does NOT hurt the team's chances. Are you serious, lulz?

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LOL your logic is that since home teams can still lose, then there's no point in even trying to have a home field advantage.... that's so patently absurd on every level.

And YES you not showing up hurts our odds... the capacity is 61,337. if it's packed and everyone has the energy to cheer it's a huge advantage vs it being half full and everyone being too hot to cheer. I can't believe I even have to say this, it's so obvious. Anything we can do to get the attendance closer to full capacity will increase the dds we win. Even you alone make a very small difference, but a difference none the less.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

LOL your logic is that since home teams can still lose, then there's no point in even trying to have a home field advantage.... that's so patently absurd on every level.

And YES you not showing up hurts our odds... the capacity is 61,337. if it's packed and everyone has the energy to cheer it's a huge advantage vs it being half full and everyone being too hot to cheer. I can't believe I even have to say this, it's so obvious. Anything we can do to get the attendance closer to full capacity will increase the dds we win. Even you alone make a very small difference, but a difference none the less.

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It doesn't hurt our odds. I'm not preventing anyone else from going and taking my seat. IF I had a ticket and chose not to go and left an empty seat then I could see your point. But that's not the case.

My logic is that the home field advantage really isn't required for every single game when you are playing what many would consider cupcakes. At a certain point, it becomes a huge weapon and does win ball games. My point was that even with home-field advantage, the fans can only do so much to determine the outcome. If you're basing this off odds of us winning because of crowd attendance, a home team can still lose in front of a sold-out raucous crowd. What do you not understand about that? It's certainly not illogical because..... it happens every year. Where did I say just give up on the team because there is a chance we could lose? There is a chance we lose no matter what, every single game. Could you imagine how stupid a player would look if he blamed a loss on the crowd? A lot of times home-field advantage will give the home team the tip of the hat if teams are equal on the field. No crap.

You're really having to call on the most extreme situations to try and prove your point.

Do I think you're saying we must have at least 35,000+ screaming fans in seats first to have a chance/win? No.

Does it help in some cases? Obviously. But you know it's not required. Especially against your USM's and Austin Peay's of the world. Don't pretend like very many fans show up with the same excitement or enthusiasm to play those teams as they do SEC games.

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Originally Posted by StateDawg44

It doesn't hurt our odds. I'm not preventing anyone else from going and taking my seat. IF I had a ticket and chose not to go and left an empty seat then I could see your point. But that's not the case.

My logic is that the home field advantage really isn't required for every single game when you are playing what many would consider cupcakes. At a certain point, it becomes a huge weapon and does win ball games. My point was that even with home-field advantage, the fans can only do so much to determine the outcome. If you're basing this off odds of us winning because of crowd attendance, a home team can still lose in front of a sold-out raucous crowd. What do you not understand about that? It's certainly not illogical because..... it happens every year. Where did I say just give up on the team because there is a chance we could lose? There is a chance we lose no matter what, every single game. Could you imagine how stupid a player would look if he blamed a loss on the crowd? A lot of times home-field advantage will give the home team the tip of the hat if teams are equal on the field. No crap.

You're really having to call on the most extreme situations to try and prove your point.

Do I think you're saying we must have at least 35,000+ screaming fans in seats first to have a chance/win? No.

Does it help in some cases? Obviously. But you know it's not required. Especially against your USM's and Austin Peay's of the world. Don't pretend like very many fans show up with the same excitement or enthusiasm to play those teams as they do SEC games.

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One thing it absolutely helps with is recruiting. Kids don't want to play in a half full stadium that is already a bit less impressive than a lot of schools in our conference. Not saying its not a great atmosphere because it is when its rocking. But it is less impressive when its half full than when death valley or bryant denny are half full.

So in a way it does both directly and indirectly help us win games. We still have recruits visiting on weekends against lesser opponents. Some come for their official on big games but make several trips a season unofficially. Always want to leave a lasting impression on a kid.

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One thing it absolutely helps with is recruiting. Kids don't want to play in a half full stadium that is already a bit less impressive than a lot of schools in our conference. Not saying its not a great atmosphere because it is when its rocking. But it is less impressive when its half full than when death valley or bryant denny are half full.

So in a way it does both directly and indirectly help us win games. We still have recruits visiting on weekends against lesser opponents. Some come for their official on big games but make several trips a season unofficially. Always want to leave a lasting impression on a kid.

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Absolutely. That's why it's important to get your big-time recruits to big-time home games so they get the full experience. That doesn't mean their experience at smaller games doesn't matter at all.

Success clearly helps sell tickets. Look at our attendance records. It is littered with games from 2014. Success, hype, the buzz around the program, all of that makes more of an impactful difference to help attendance than shade or bomb ass concessions would. It then becomes getting to experience a game or multiple games of a team that crushed it that year. Part of an experience that you can say you were there and saw that happen. Heat or Cold doesn't impede on sustained success.

Even Saban has to publicly beg people not to leave games early. And they are actually coming close to selling out the majority of games probably. Closer than we are at least.