He did not travel with the team. Not sure he’s on the team anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saltydog
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He did not travel with the team. Not sure he’s on the team anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saltydog
I would think even if you are suspended you wouldn’t make a road trip. He sat at the home games but I don’t remember him at away games. You don’t give special treatment to someone suspended.
No they don't. In my time at State I never met a single kid who got in trouble, much less kicked out, for cheating. The number I knew of who did something that qualified as cheating at one point or another, well over 50%. Frankly, the gravity of the consequences isn't even communicated, or at least it wasn't in my time there.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Show me someone who got through Physics 2 without referencing old tests, or storing notes/examples in their calculator, and I'll show you a liar. Maybe cheating is less common, or more people get caught, in easier or different types of courses. But in engineering I'll just tell you that anything you could use to your advantage was used, and nobody ever got caught doing it.
Old tests? Were some of them caught studying too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Using old tests that are publicly available is not cheating by any measure I ever heard. The professors know that returned tests from previous semesters are out there, and they plan accordingly. Or not - that?s on them.
Storing crap in your calculator is stone cold cheating. If someone was caught doing that it would be serious.
Having someone else take an online test for you during a period you are on national television not taking a test... is super duper cheating.
And yes, they talked to us about these things, every single semester, in every single course, during the first class when they went over the syllabus.
Conflating these 3 levels is senseless. Undermining our universities academic credibility over sports is also senseless.
Agreed that it was never relayed to me when I was a student. Of course they didn't tell me not to murder, rape, or sell drugs, but I figured it out. If a college student can't figure out that cheating is wrong, then their dumbass shouldn't be in college period. If Nick cheated, then his ass should be shown the door. Period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Don't call me a liar. I earned my grades on my own with hard work and effort. So go screw yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lol every 19 year old that cheats is intentionally disrespecting you personallyQuote:
Originally Posted by somebodyshotmypaw
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Originally Posted by Dawg61
No. The poster's exact quote was "Show me someone who got through Physics 2 without referencing old tests, or storing notes/examples in their calculator, and I'll show you a liar." I took physics 2 and succeeding by attending class, paying attention, taking notes, and studying. So he's calling me a liar.
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Originally Posted by somebodyshotmypaw
You may have "took Physics and succeeding", but you sure as shit didn't learn anything about hyperboles. Everyone in my Physics 2 class used old tests and most of them used graphing calculators to store examples. Maybe you didn't take cal based, maybe you didn't have Afanosev, or maybe you're just full of shit. Regardless, grow some skin.
I've got skin. But you don't have to cheat to succeed. What the heck is wrong with working? Are you too much of a puss to put in the work? I don't remember who I had in physics 2, but I do know I didn't cheat. I guarantee that. I'm honestly amazed at the folks on this board who blow off cheating. Honestly amazed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I mean, teachers have the ability to not allow graphing calculators. By the logic you used for old tests, they can account for them or not, that's on them. It's actually less of an advantage than old tests in most cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walkerhill
If you have a degree from MSU and what is being told here is true, that's exactly what it is, a personal insult. That ain't copying somebody's homework. It's having somebody take a test for you. That's serious academic fraud. I take it you don't have a degree from MSU. Given your take, yours must be from .....naw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Having someone take a test for you is just a bit different man. That's SERIOUS academic fraud. There is cheating, and there is CHEATING.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have a degree from State moron or else I wouldn't be subjecting myself to "chatting" with you on this board and Nick supposedly cheating doesn't disrespect my degree one bit. I couldn't give a shit what anyone else does it'll never disrespect the work I did personally to earn my degree. I will say though that sometimes others do act, stand for or say things that embarrasse my school that I don't appreciate but this isn't one of those times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
I knew dozens of math and engineering majors who took Physics 2 and none of them cheated, at least not on the level of programming a cheat sheet into their calculator for an exam, which at the absolute most lenient would be an automatic F in the course, and probably an expulsion too.
I would assume every professor would make people clear the memory from their calculators just in case to prevent this kind of cheating, so it's not a very clever way to cheat anyway.
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Originally Posted by somebodyshotmypaw
I had a bad prof for Physics II. Found that out after my first test, I made a 20. Luckily the guy gave us a drop grade if we never missed a class. I used the book to teach myself that class. I went to class with a 103 fever one day. I got an A and I never cheated AT ALL. I damn sure took every test myself, including the dang 20, lol.
Old tests aren’t cheating. Cmon let’s be real.
That's what I'm talking about. I went four years to MSU and never missed a single class. I wasn't scared of the work. I can remember going to the Landing on Thursday night, heck I even lived in the frat house. Still got my work done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Yeah, and I just got a personal comment telling me I'm terrible, I assume from 61. He can't ban me here. Funny, the board he DID ban me on on this site, I can post on now, which I do very infrequently. He can't. Blatant in your face cheating is demeaning to the university and to everyone that has a degree from it. We are a UNIVERSITY, an educational institution. We are not a minor league sports franchise.Quote:
Originally Posted by somebodyshotmypaw
They'd be pretty awful cheaters if you knew they were doing itQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
You would be very incorrect here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
No DA you got negative rep for once again pulling your usual Liverpool roundabout way of calling me and others a non-MSU fan. And for the seven billionth time I never banned you from the poli board dude. You went on an anti-muslim crusade in a thread you started and another mod banned you for it. Do you have memory loss problems?Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
I haven't seen you in one of my threads there lately. Bring it over there if you want to get into that again. This isn't the correct board for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
I know who got me banned that time. I don't and never did blame the guy who actually pulled the plug on me. I never had any reason to. I don't stand on technicalities.
I am happy to say that I did, and I'll welcome the opportunity to have you call me a liar to my face. [ETA: Calculus-based, physics major courses, no notes or examples stored in my calculator or anywhere else but my mind, Physics 1-3, astronomy, astrophysics, nuclear, modern, thermo, electronics, etc.]Quote:
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think a couple of people doth protest too much in defense of academic dishonesty. Also, we learned about "projection" in Carskadon's class.
Hail State!
Juxtapose Nick’s situation here vs. North Carolina faking an entire college within the University in order to keep their hoops team eligible throughout their careers.
No building, no professors in existence, faked the whole damn thing. So after nearly a decade of investigating this thing the NCAA says “welp, this is not an athletics issue and out of our purview.”
I don’t believe we should lower our standards to that but it really is a sad commentary on our society.
Good call. The only reason on earth someone would try to put practicing on old tests to find representative questions and storing a digital cheat cheat on their calculator is feeling a little guilty about the second.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagicDawg
Lots of people pass hard college classes without cheating. Saying ‘everyone does it (or at least half do)’ or ‘it is not that different than what X or Y did’ is just rationalization.
And, come on, if the story about someone else taking Nicks test is true, a credible university cannot let that slide.
Projection, yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagicDawg
That's not the way I remember it. I remember the NCAA taking UNC to court and the court ruling with UNC. I could be wrong though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schultzy
TheI seem to remember this as being what happened but I think it was UNC that took the NCAA to court. The court was the one that said it wasn't just being done for athletes. UNC should have lost its accreditation over that. I think they almost did.Quote:
Originally Posted by MSUDAWGFAN
I remember who I had in Physics 2. It was someone who wasn't a professor and didn't have a PhD. He was likely by far the easiest Physics professor the University ever had. Everyone in our class wanted him for Physics 3, but I don't think he taught again. His name was Jack Nail. I would have run through a wall to have him in Physics 3, but it wasn't my luck. Instead I had Ferguson for Physics 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by somebodyshotmypaw
I made an A in Physics 2 and didn't cheat. There were many others in my class that did as well. Like I said, he was very easy.
The sad narrative on this thread is those who think cheating is okay in order to obtain something, because "everybody does it". They want the easy way to take something they don't deserve. They don't want to put in the work to earn what they get. It's an entitlement culture.
You are correct. The NCAA did not just say "Meh" and forget about it though. THey tried to punish them, but got overruled by the court.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Like paying 300k to get your spoiled brat into UPenn. The very rich have been entitled since money was invented.Quote:
Originally Posted by somebodyshotmypaw
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Originally Posted by Dawg61
Agreed. And I think that is wrong also. You don't see me defending the folks in this college scam do you? Because I assure you that I have not.
Seeing as every single teacher goes over it abd makes it clear the punishment for cheating, ya they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
I still don't know what is wrong with giving a donation to get your kid into a school you want. Admissions are in a grey area anyway. They can choose who to admit. There is not a clear cut minimum threshold for people. Hell Harvard or Penn State can admit someone that has a 16 on the ACT if they want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
I don't think there's anything wrong with it legally but you're taking a spot away from a potentially more qualified kid who probably worked harder but just doesn't come from a rich family. America shouldn't be about whose the richest parents being able to make their kids successful with their money. It should be about the most talented and hardest working kids making themselves successful on their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
Awesome! Dog61 and LiverDawg are going at it hammer and tongs. It is like a war broke out between North Korea and Iran and trying decide who to root for. The only way to make this any better is if you could only bring in misstake7Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
So nothing concrete on Nick? Just some more of the “well I heard this and it’s concrete BUT I can’t say??”
Donation and bribe are two very different thingsQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61