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BS, Moorhead is making far less than Dan did for that very reason...to pay assistants. You're telling me all that SEC money and we can't bump Baker from 375k to 750k? C'mon. I get it that we don't have big money, but we have plenty to lock down our key cogs with IF we're strategic.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
Not true. He’s still underpaid (based on performance) and isnt locked down either.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
ExactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Are you accusing Cohen of stockpiling money?Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Not sure who everyone is but I think Shoop is the biggest piece of defensive puzzle. I think Baker is very good but our Dline and whole defense got better after Shoop installed "toughness tuesdays". And of all the position coaches Baker did have the most talent to work with. What happened with our backend D overall was at least as impressive and maybe even moreso, given the talent levels. And also think Shoop is the key straw in game strategies, which I also believe helped our defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
I do think now Saban will have some insight into that but not sure it will matter that much. I guess we'll find out if Shoop is the key cog or not next year, although even with Baker staying I don't expect us to be as elite on D next year.
Agreed, Huff had not proven himself AT MSU. Baker certainly had. We could have doubled Baker's salary had we felt it was important enough. Of course if Saban wants Baker bad enough he could always pay more than the most we could pay. Bama has an unlimited football budget.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Yep...Moorhead is terrifying ***Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
It is somewhat ironic that our coaching staff if getting looted in a year where our coaching staff, primarily on offense, did not perform well. Baker's group did, but how Huff, Getsy and Johnson would be attractive for other teams right now I don't get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Exactly. If we were overpaying Baker for example by a little bit, that could encourage Saban to go to his next DL target whom he might consider equal to Baker. But if you have the #1 DL in the country and have a "Clearance" tag dangling from your DL coach, that makes getting poached a shit ton easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
In other words...it's not about getting into a bidding war with Bama. It's about being strategic with the pay of your best guys in order to best deter poaching
Are donations down? Honest question. Because I really don't know anyone that was happy with how things went with Football since the KY game. FB pays the bills, and if fans aren't happy with that result, they generally don't open the wallet.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
True. I'm pretty sure they are down, especially as of late. (But I have no numbers to back that)Quote:
Originally Posted by IMissJack
And to be honest, maybe that's the answer....if anybody complaining because they desire to see State win at a high level is getting told to quit bitching, maybe they should accept the same mediocrity that the sunshine brigade accepts and just close their wallets altogether.
Sounds to me since Bama is having to replace so many coaches they are a farm team.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Bama's coaches move up when they move out. This is a lateral move as far as position and responsibility. Now working for Saban has a big bonus of being in his coaching tree. Also, beating Bama has a bigger plus side to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUSK
Half the guys they lost got better jobs. Other half were told to leave. Only exception was OC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
You 17rs justifying all this with “I can’t blame them it’s a better opportunity “ remember that shit when we can’t sign instate talent that Bama is taking. Because you’re basically telling those kids the same thing and we’re losing a guy that’s killing it instate. You guys keep accepting the whole, “know your place BS”.
Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
There are two groups of MSU fans, those that accept our place and those that don't. I don't accept it but, situations like this, are causing me to lose hope in even being capable changing our position.
How can you build anything with this happening?
That's the same for all schools.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
You were bitching this past summer about the shoop hire.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Neither of ours got promotions. Neither were told to leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Actually, it's the exact opposite. Why can Clemson build themselves up? Because they gave, and gave some more. The schools that continue to build thru adversity and give more money instead of taking their money away are the ones who have succeeded. Every time things have gotten tough over the past 50 years, our fan base has started eating itself instead of pulling together and doing more. Every. Single. Time. And yet we wonder why we can't have nice things.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
It is always going to be harder for schools like State, but I don't feel that fans (donors) believe Joe can take us to the promised land. You have to have the certain "it" factor for confidence and support to build behind the program, and it feels like we have lost all momentum there.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
More money is not a promotion. If saban wants them he will get them. They have 100 million more to spend each year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Nope. Promotion is advancing to the next level. More money is a raise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
So you woudn't leave for raise?
Well then maybe some of our fans should stop telling donors to shut up and accept mediocreQuote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
For only a raise? No, not if I’m happy. And that raise certainty didn’t pull one of their former players at OM. Baker just got a good raise from us too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Lol it's not a lateral move. Come on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
Not true. There are some that don't accept it but understand the reality. They don't like it but they aren't diving off tall buildings to show how mad they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
State as a whole has to decide if it's gonna do what Clemson did or not. Pretty simple. It can be done but it takes effort from everywhere State, and moreso than in a lot of places bc of our size. Otherwise State is 6-9 wins a year.
If you don't think the baseball search(I didn't say hire, I said search) was a joke then you are the only person in America that feels that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
Promotions don't just come in title alone. And paths to 2 step ahead promotions sometimes means taking a small step or a sidestep to get there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Nailed it. We sulk and pout (like right now) instead of band together.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
I'm sorry but if I'm making 300k as a position coach and I got an offer to make 750 doing the same thing at a school with stability I'd say I'm prob calling my wife and telling her to pack the house and sell that bitch I'll see you there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
PREACH!!Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Well maybe so. I just know how corporate job searches, which this basically is, goes and sometimes the perception isn't the reality. I'm not saying it wasn't a cluster but no one really knows for sure what went down.Quote:
Originally Posted by preachermatt83
On the bright side, at least Saban doesn't want Shoop... yet.
I can't see the sunshine brigade you speak of. It's too dark in here.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
How's that 'retention' working out for Bama? EVERY company/school HAS to replace talent. Please explain exactly 'how' a school retains a coach that wants to leave!Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Baseball has nothing to do with this thread, and the new coach hasn't even coached his first game yet. So I don't know what you're getting at there. Our previous coach didn't leave for a better job, and we didn't hire the interim after he took us to the CWS, so I don't know what you're griping about besides that we were unable to a pull head coach from other elite programs.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
The trend you see is that there is nothing in college football that promotes parity except for limiting how many players a team can have on scholarship. You acquire talent through what's more or less a black market, and your budget is as big as your donors want it to be. To go along with all this, the most successful program and one of the most resource rich programs in the country isn't just in our conference, they're the closest team to us in the freaking country geographically. That program has decided they wanted two of our coaches.
A school with stability? LOL. And he was offered big money to stay.Quote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
How much was he offered to stay?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot