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01-21-2019, 11:20 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

I honestly think Dan would've only won 1 additional regular season game; he'd have beaten Florida. Now obviously 9-3 would've been a decent season, but his offense would've still bogged down against the better defenses, just like it did every other year.

Like LSU and Bama last season?
01-21-2019, 11:23 AM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

I honestly think Dan would've only won 1 additional regular season game; he'd have beaten Florida. Now obviously 9-3 would've been a decent season, but his offense would've still bogged down against the better defenses, just like it did every other year.

I think he beats Florida and Kentucky and Iowa (but we'd have been playing someone better in a NY6 game, so it wouldn't have been Iowa). Remember, our offense was nonexistent vs Kentucky too, yet we were still within a score late. 10 wins and a potential NY6 win for win #11 vs 8-5 and a thud in the Outback. Impossible to know, but we definitely would have done better than 8-5
01-21-2019, 12:05 PM
JohnHenryBonham

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Like LSU and Bama last season?

LSU wasn?t very good early last season...and Bama shut us down in the 4th quarter when it counted....or you can say Dan choked as in 2014.
01-21-2019, 12:08 PM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Like LSU and Bama last season?

Like UGA and AU last season.
01-21-2019, 12:13 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by JohnHenryBonham

LSU wasn?t very good early last season...and Bama shut us down in the 4th quarter when it counted....or you can say Dan choked as in 2014.

2017 LSU was 12th in the nation in total defense. Here's the rankings of the teams that shut us down this year...

Kentucky 23rd
Florida 28th
LSU 25th
Bama 16th

Last year we faced 4 defenses in the top 15 scoring 74 points (18.5 ppg). This year the only defense we faced in the top 15 was Iowa.
01-21-2019, 12:13 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Like UGA and AU last season.

Both were top 15 defenses. We faced 1 top 15 defense this year
01-21-2019, 12:16 PM
bluelightstar

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/se...his-own-terms/

I don't think people understand just how our bad our offense was. Please look at Hinton's article, and the accompanying chart. Moorhead has 3 of our worst offensive performances of the last decade, including the next-to-worst (169 yards against Alabama this year). Mullen does have the worst -- 131 yards against Alabama in 2011. But this year's Alabama defense was a shell of the 2011 version.
01-21-2019, 12:18 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by bluelightstar

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/se...his-own-terms/

I don't think people understand just how our bad our offense was. Please look at Hinton's article, and the accompanying chart. Moorhead has 3 of our worst offensive performances of the last decade, including the next-to-worst (169 yards against Alabama this year). Mullen does have the worst -- 131 yards against Alabama in 2011. But this year's Alabama defense was a shell of the 2011 version.

2011 Bama was the best college defense ever. 2011 LSU is 2nd
01-21-2019, 12:28 PM
the_real_MSU_is_us

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Impossible to know. However, he always finished what, 20-35 in recruiting WITHOUT a loaded Mississippi class....so it's hard to think he wouldn't have smoked this class Joe is putting together. Especially since he'd probably be recruiting on the back of a successful 10+ Win season instead of a thud.

Dan's last full class ('17) finished #24. Going backwards from there we have finishes of: #28, #18, #36, #24, #22, and #41 in '11

So you're correct about his average finish, however it's worth noting that in the '15 class we finished with just 7 4* and a composite average of .8769. This year we have 6 4* we're expected to get (8 if we flip Young and Mingo), and currently have an average of .8875.

So yeah Moorhead has failed to take advantage of a stocked in state class, but Mullen failed to take advantage of a 10-2 season and had a worse class than this will end up being.
01-21-2019, 12:29 PM
preachermatt83

The ship is sinking and Moorhead is the captain. This is coming from the guy who actually won the sunshine pumper award at one time. Joe may get better, but right now he's in over his head running the program.
01-21-2019, 12:32 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

Dan's last full class ('17) finished #24. Going backwards from there we have finishes of: #28, #18, #36, #24, #22, and #41 in '11

So you're correct about his average finish, however it's worth noting that in the '15 class we finished with just 7 4* and a composite average of .8769. This year we have 6 4* we're expected to get (8 if we flip Young and Mingo), and currently have an average of .8875.

So yeah Moorhead has failed to take advantage of a stocked in state class, but Mullen failed to take advantage of a 10-2 season and had a worse class than this will end up being.

Look at sec rankings... we're right where we've always been, 10th'ish
01-21-2019, 12:47 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

Dan's last full class ('17) finished #24. Going backwards from there we have finishes of: #28, #18, #36, #24, #22, and #41 in '11

So you're correct about his average finish, however it's worth noting that in the '15 class we finished with just 7 4* and a composite average of .8769. This year we have 6 4* we're expected to get (8 if we flip Young and Mingo), and currently have an average of .8875.

So yeah Moorhead has failed to take advantage of a stocked in state class, but Mullen failed to take advantage of a 10-2 season and had a worse class than this will end up being.

Mullen failed with 2015 class? Mississippi had 7 4 stars in 2015 and we signed 5 of them and signed 10 of the top 15. That?s cleaning up the state pretty well. And we ended up getting Abram back after transferring from Georgia to JUCO. McClarin and Story was in that class as well.

Getting 10 of the Top 15 this year, like 2015, would be 9 4 stars and 1 5 star...that would put us Top 15 in the country
01-21-2019, 12:54 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

The ship is sinking and Moorhead is the captain. This is coming from the guy who actually won the sunshine pumper award at one time. Joe may get better, but right now he's in over his head running the program.

I'm leaning this direction now too. The Huff to Bama news shook me a little. I don't care if it is Bama. Huff was a serious Moorhead loyalist. Something's up.
01-21-2019, 01:51 PM
32 Dive

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Originally Posted by hacker

He was the recruiting coordinator at Miami. That seems pretty good.

Billy Gonzales was also once the recruiting coordinator at Florida. So, there's that.

My point: You can find whatever you like, when you look at a coach's bio.
01-21-2019, 02:02 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

It?s not about just an assnt coach. We went 8-4 with probably one of the most talented MSU football teams we will see in our lifetimes and completely squandered a rare opportunity in the SEC, lost to an average Iowa team in a bowl we have been wanting to 20 years, lost commitments from multiple talented recruits, and have now lost 3 coaches (possibly several more) all in the space of about 3 weeks.

The program (to even the casual fan based on a conversation I had this morning) appears to be flying off the rails at breakneck speed. Maybe it?s Cohen?s strategy to focus on winning in baseball and women?s basketball. Good luck with that...I?m sure they will generate enough money to keep the athletic program afloat.

I agree with everything on the field but not off of it. Every program in the country loses coaches and commits this time of year. Its just worse for us right now because we lost the bowl.
01-21-2019, 02:04 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I appreciate the insight and inside info from certain posters.....but it's hard not to sigh when we're being told "everything is fine" by the same guys preaching that "our current staff will recruit at a different level than the old guard" and "Joe is likable, coaches want to work with him", as our recruiting class dies a slow death and coaches are jumping ship like the Titanic.

Is there some overreaction? Maybe. But don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining either...this is quickly becoming a total shit show within a year of the guy being hired. No need to criticize those pointing out the obvious. But that's just me.

Im just saying take a step back. Every other program in the country is going thru the same things we are right now. Its not just us. I am not defending Moorhead, we should have won at least 10 and that falls squarely on him. But give him shit about what he deserves and not what happens to everyone.
01-21-2019, 02:09 PM
Interpolation_Dawg_EX

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Im just saying take a step back. Every other program in the country is going thru the same things we are right now. Its not just us. I am not defending Moorhead, we should have won at least 10 and that falls squarely on him. But give him shit about what he deserves and not what happens to everyone.

Timing is never good, but ours is awful and I think that makes it seem worse. Plus it takes more time for us to get in position to win relative to other programs and people are worried we’re losing our investment. I see both sides.
01-21-2019, 02:12 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX

Timing is never good, but ours is awful and I think that makes it seem worse. Plus it takes more time for us to get in position to win relative to other programs and people are worried we’re losing our investment. I see both sides.

Oh I def see why people are pissed, Im pissed too we should have done better this year but Im not pissed about coaches leaving and kids decommiting that happens everywhere.

Mullen lost his DC every year because he was an asshole that tried to tell guys how to do their jobs then Cohen made him hire Grantham
01-21-2019, 02:45 PM
Jack Lambert

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

I'm leaning this direction now too. The Huff to Bama news shook me a little. I don't care if it is Bama. Huff was a serious Moorhead loyalist. Something's up.

Maybe ambition thinking he would be in a better position to move up or good old fashion $.
01-21-2019, 02:46 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

Maybe ambition thinking he would be in a better position to move up or good old fashion $.

Or he could see Joe's gone after next year.
01-21-2019, 02:47 PM
hacker

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Originally Posted by 32 Dive

Billy Gonzales was also once the recruiting coordinator at Florida. So, there's that.

My point: You can find whatever you like, when you look at a coach's bio.

Shrug. I was replying to a guy saying he had no recruiting ties to the south.
01-21-2019, 02:59 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Oh I def see why people are pissed, Im pissed too we should have done better this year but Im not pissed about coaches leaving and kids decommiting that happens everywhere.

Mullen lost his DC every year because he was an asshole that tried to tell guys how to do their jobs then Cohen made him hire Grantham

Cohen didn?t make him hire Grantham. He went Cohen after the AFCA conference to get Grantham from Louisville. Grantham was looking to leave as well. But it wasn?t Cohen?s idea. Not even close
01-21-2019, 05:26 PM
I seen it dawg

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Impossible to know. However, he always finished what, 20-35 in recruiting WITHOUT a loaded Mississippi class....so it's hard to think he wouldn't have smoked this class Joe is putting together. Especially since he'd probably be recruiting on the back of a successful 10+ Win season instead of a thud.

Impossible to know is right. On both sides. Mullen would have won 10+ like all the other yrs he was here. Football was disappointing only bc our defense was so good. Problem was we had any 6 of us posters on here playing wr. We had one playmaker on offense and he still hasn't proven himself to be able to stay on the field. I still can't figure out wtf Moorhead was doing most times but shit don't act like Mullen wouldn't have done his usual.
01-21-2019, 06:44 PM
Leeshouldveflanked

It’s not like JoMo lost at home against South Alabama or 3 out of 4 against Ole Miss....
01-21-2019, 07:00 PM
MedDawg

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

I honestly think Dan would've only won 1 additional regular season game; he'd have beaten Florida. Now obviously 9-3 would've been a decent season, but his offense would've still bogged down against the better defenses, just like it did every other year.

Agree.
01-21-2019, 10:27 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Cohen didn?t make him hire Grantham. He went Cohen after the AFCA conference to get Grantham from Louisville. Grantham was looking to leave as well. But it wasn?t Cohen?s idea. Not even close

What I meant was Cohen got on Mullen and told him to cut the shit Stricklin had been letting him get away with

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