Last year, 12 of the top 20 players in the country left their home state
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Last year, 12 of the top 20 players in the country left their home state
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Only 4 teams in the sec (ark, Florida, mizzou, and aTm) have a starting QB from their home state
I do not think any are traitors. I just say we MSU need them and they can get to where they want to eventually arrive through MSU as well as somewhere out of state or OM.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Please come to MSU.
Alabama gets very few recruits from Mississippi... Maybe ave ~1/yr, maybe...Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Y'all prolly get 3x that from Bammer...
I would agree, and it's on the people of the state (myself included) and the college to sell that to up and coming generations.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Earlier comments made me think you couldn't understand why kids were leaving and that you wanted to aim hostility at them for doing so. I now see that is not your view, so I think we are finally on the same page. It was a pleasure doing business with you my good sir.
Well this year you're on pace to potentially get 3 of the top 10, which would be unprecedented in the past decade +Quote:
Originally Posted by TUSK
All that while our program is producing more NFL players than we ever have
Yeah, this year and 2016 are kinda anomalous... I looked it up to be certain:Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Year - UA - MSU
2019 - 2 - 3
2018 - 0 - 2
2017 - 0 - 0
2016 - 3 - 3
2015 - 1 - 7
2014 - 0 - 4
2013 - 0 - 5
2012 - 0 - 2
2011 - 2 - 0
2010 - 0 - 3
Ave/Yr - 0.8 - 2.9
Total - 8 - 29
Must be one of those 7 states Obama said he visited on the campaign trail when he said he had visited 57 states with one more to go, Maybe Alaska.Quote:
Originally Posted by StateDawg44
Georgia can lose that many and still have a slew of top talented players to sign.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Guns point is, due to population discrepancies in Mississippi, we have to find a way to keep the top guys in state. We also have to deal with multiple other SEC institutions either in our state or a short drive away. All of these factors do not bode well for us.
Per the usual Smootness is offended by saying these kids are ignorant and attempts to bring emotion into what should be a logical discussion.
Logically they are making stupid choices. What opportunity gives you the best chance to shine and make the nfl? A school who will probably sign 3 more players of your caliber minimum, while you are still on campus. This drastically reducing the odds of getting the PT to develop and prove yourself to the scouts at the next level. Or a program where you have a greater chance of being THE GUY, and 2-4 years to get significant PT and develop?
Let?s look at another example. You are changing jobs In the same field. Company A offers a higher salary, but has 15-20 other people your age all vying for the next huge promotion. Company B offered a lower startin salary has a bunch of older guys and is looking for some young blood to continue the business. Do you choose to be paid now with no guarantee for tomorrow or play the long game with greater opportunity?
Nobody is bashing or shaming these kids. That?s just an insecure learned thought response when someone says something you disagree with.
Most 18 year olds are pretty much the definition of ignorant. Someone has to get through to these kids and bring a little Logic and reality to them. $100-200k now and a reduced risk of the NFL, is much less than a greater chance of NFL.
Damn this is good. Nice jobQuote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
"It's shameful and ignorant imo" - shotgun page 1Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
Not every kid is scared of competition. You really wanna sell, "hey, there's less competition here, super recruit"? In other words, you may not be good enough for bama, but you are for here... essentially, we admit we aren't as good. What if the company B in your interview told you you really aren't good enough for company A? Would that sway you?
You really think their chance of getting to the nfl is better here than bama? Wow... maybe, MAYBE, it's the same, but no way in hell its better. Last year, bama had a DT drafted (Joshua Frazier) that played 4 years and had 28 total tackles with 2 sacks his whole career. When is the last time we had scrubs get drafted?
Joshua Frazier was a 96 rated HS player that went in the 7th round. That about like Willie Gay or Jamal Peters. Do they go in the 7th round.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I'd venture to say he cost himself a ton of money at Bama, as he likely would've went much higher by playing every down at MSU.
Yes Bama has more guys drafted but they also have more wasted talent than anyone else. Does Frazier, who is from Springdale, AR, go higher in the draft if he stays home and is the star on Arkansas DL? No way to know, but my guess is absolutely
Your issue is that you don't know how drafts work and you leave out critical information so that it fits your narrative as if you're trying to trick people.
And you act like everyone that's highly rated will be nfl super star here. Leo Lewis was the 64th rated player in the country. What round he going in this year?Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Leo isn't a SR.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
A 96 rated player going in the 7th round is a terrible example of how Bama helps you
Yeah, those ratings are right every time. That's why when the draft is coming up, nfl GMs just pull up 247 3-4 years ago. Draft always matches composite ratings, always**Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
BTW, Andrew Brown was the #1 HS DT that year. He went in 5th round
Don't blame me for you having a terrible example.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
In the end, I just don't trust your posts because they are seemingly always against MSU's best interest.
You don't get it or are willfully ignorant. It's that simple.
MSU's interests aren't blasting HS kids. My own kid went to a school I don't like. Did I disown him? No, bc kids should have the right to their own path. You blasting kids over a college decision makes you much more "ignorant" than themQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
And this is what you do every time... start calling people ignorant bc you started this stupid sheet wanting us to go after kids. Next week it'll be back to socialist football demanding we get the same type of players as bama bc it just ain't fair.
You weren't arguing against that though. Your argument was pro Bama. Perhaps shaming families for it isn't right, but that debate comes after we've resolved that these kids have the same or better opportunity to reach their ceilings as players at MSU as they do Bama.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
You disagreed with that, not the shaming part. You can't even get your debates straight.
No, I said Maybe the chances are the same, but I disagreed wholeheartedly with rouge that the chances are better at state. Top of the pageQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I didn't disagree with the shaming part? Ha... go back to page 2
So you think MSU recruits better by supporting and being OK with kids leaving the state?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
No, but it certainly doesn't help calling them ignorant and wanting to go after them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
And to be honest, I think he have a real problem with kids leaving the state. This year has been bad, but part of that is breaking in a new staff here and om stinking. When we were both good, not many at all left