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10-03-2018, 11:53 AM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Ever heard of a 2 minute drill there clueless guy? Who do you think is most responsible for speeding up the offense during a 2 minute drill? The same principle applies throughout the entire game. If the offense is taking forever it's the QB and the play caller that need to speed everything up. He's the QB and he can get everyone lined up and ready to go faster than anyone in the stadium.

Why wasn't tempo a problem last year?

Fitz could go faster, but clearly that isn't the gameplan. The QB doesn't just hurry things up on his own.
10-03-2018, 11:56 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

No, the standard he will be compared to at Florida is Steve Spurrier. Even somebody like you ought to know that. The improvement from the previous year is still remarkable.

Fitz is doing what he is told to do. He ain't controlling the tempo at all. Have you been to a game yet? If you had you would/should know. All you have to do is watch How we do what we do.

Urban was better. Both have .813 winning % at Florida, but urban has 2 natties in 6 years; urban has 1 in 12 years
10-03-2018, 11:59 AM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by smootness

Why wasn't tempo a problem last year?

Fitz could go faster, but clearly that isn't the gameplan. The QB doesn't just hurry things up on his own.

You must of thought I was content with how fast Moorhead's offense is running. I am not. Not at all. Moorhead is #1 shithead on the shithead slow offense. Fitz is #2.
10-03-2018, 12:12 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

No, the standard he will be compared to at Florida is Steve Spurrier. Even somebody like you ought to know that. The improvement from the previous year is still remarkable.

Everyone else under the age of a cemetery will compare Mullen to Urban, Muschamp and McElwain before Spurrier. You on the other hand compare him to Randy Shannon and Spurrier.
10-03-2018, 12:14 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

You must of thought I was content with how fast Moorhead's offense is running. I am not. Not at all. Moorhead is #1 shithead on the shithead slow offense. Fitz is #2.

And what I'm saying is that the coach tells the player what to do. Even if you assign more blame to Moorhead, I don't think you should assign much at all to Fitzgerald. And if Moorhead can't get his QB (who has run offenses more quickly than this) to run his offense faster, that's again on him.

It's ultimately on coaching. There is no evidence to suggest Moorhead wants to run the offense faster and Fitzgerald just isn't listening. And if this is the tempo Moorhead wants, you can't put any blame on Fitzgerald.
10-03-2018, 12:18 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

No I'm not. You look at what a team was the year before. You don't want to do it because it makes Mullen look better, and that goes against your faith.

Would you like to start a thread and breakdown the 2017 Florida Gators season for us so we can see how much of an improvement Mullen has made from the 2017 McElwain who was 3-4 with losses to Michigan, Georgia, 1 point loss to LSU and 2 point loss to aTm? Then show us how much of an improvement Mullen has made to the 1-3 Randy Shannon that lost to USCe, blowout loss to Missouri and a semi blowout loss to Florida State.

Like I said. You're comparing Mullen to Randy Shannon not McElwain because it makes your buddy look better. i.e. moving the goalposts to bring the most light possible on Mullen
10-03-2018, 12:27 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by smootness

And what I'm saying is that the coach tells the player what to do. Even if you assign more blame to Moorhead, I don't think you should assign much at all to Fitzgerald. And if Moorhead can't get his QB (who has run offenses more quickly than this) to run his offense faster, that's again on him.

It's ultimately on coaching. There is no evidence to suggest Moorhead wants to run the offense faster and Fitzgerald just isn't listening. And if this is the tempo Moorhead wants, you can't put any blame on Fitzgerald.

You're right. I am hoping that Fitz tells Moorhead to 17 off and to 17ing speed up and starts running the offense much much faster but that isn't realistic and it isn't Fitz's fault Moorhead wants to sing kumbaya and cook s'mores on the sideline in between snaps. Maybe Fitz will get a mohawk and start taking control of this shit show before his NFL draft prospects plummet into Antarctica but that'd require some textbook insubordination. I'm also not totally sold that Fitz is even aware the pace of the offense is even an issue.
10-03-2018, 12:51 PM
Gutter Cobreh

Let's put it this way...

Fitz runs the offense about as well as Liverpool and Smootness utilize the multi-quote reply button on this site...

FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY GUYS - use the button when commenting back to multiple posts. It makes it easier for me to skip over what you've written as opposed to having to scroll halfway down the page.
10-03-2018, 01:53 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh

Let's put it this way...

Fitz runs the offense about as well as Liverpool and Smootness utilize the multi-quote reply button on this site...

FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY GUYS - use the button when commenting back to multiple posts. It makes it easier for me to skip over what you've written as opposed to having to scroll halfway down the page.

Nah
10-03-2018, 02:19 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Urban was better. Both have .813 winning % at Florida, but urban has 2 natties in 6 years; urban has 1 in 12 years

Yes, but visor boy is the legend and the one that put them in the map. They judged Urban by him. Also, Spurrier is back in the process down there, remember?
10-03-2018, 02:20 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by smootness

Nah

Nope, me either.
10-03-2018, 02:21 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

You're right. I am hoping that Fitz tells Moorhead to 17 off and to 17ing speed up and starts running the offense much much faster but that isn't realistic and it isn't Fitz's fault Moorhead wants to sing kumbaya and cook s'mores on the sideline in between snaps. Maybe Fitz will get a mohawk and start taking control of this shit show before his NFL draft prospects plummet into Antarctica but that'd require some textbook insubordination. I'm also not totally sold that Fitz is even aware the pace of the offense is even an issue.

He ain't getting drafted as a QB, and never was. That still has nothing to do with the pace. That's on the coaches entirely.
10-03-2018, 02:22 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Would you like to start a thread and breakdown the 2017 Florida Gators season for us so we can see how much of an improvement Mullen has made from the 2017 McElwain who was 3-4 with losses to Michigan, Georgia, 1 point loss to LSU and 2 point loss to aTm? Then show us how much of an improvement Mullen has made to the 1-3 Randy Shannon that lost to USCe, blowout loss to Missouri and a semi blowout loss to Florida State.

Like I said. You're comparing Mullen to Randy Shannon not McElwain because it makes your buddy look better. i.e. moving the goalposts to bring the most light possible on Mullen

They have already equaled last year's win total. Now if they don't win another one the rest of the year get back to me.
10-03-2018, 02:25 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Everyone else under the age of a cemetery will compare Mullen to Urban, Muschamp and McElwain before Spurrier. You on the other hand compare him to Randy Shannon and Spurrier.

Ok 61. You win, lol at you.
10-03-2018, 02:32 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

He ain't getting drafted as a QB, and never was. That still has nothing to do with the pace. That's on the coaches entirely.

#91 overall draft ranking. As a QB. That's in the 3rd round. Do I think he'll get drafted in the 3rd round? No but somebody does and that somebody is CBS.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospect-rankings/
10-03-2018, 02:33 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

You must of thought I was content with how fast Moorhead's offense is running. I am not. Not at all. Moorhead is #1 shithead on the shithead slow offense. Fitz is #2.

Fitz has zero to do with why our offense is slow paced. He gets the play(late of course) we run it. once the snap takes place he reads, whomever, depending on the particular call and goes from there. It's that simple.
10-03-2018, 02:34 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

#91 overall draft ranking. As a QB. That's in the 3rd round. Do I think he'll get drafted in the 3rd round? No but somebody does and that somebody is CBS.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospect-rankings/

He has zero chance of getting drafted and never did, I can't help it whoever put that together is an idiot. Now, he has and can be a very good college QB.
10-03-2018, 02:34 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

#91 overall draft ranking. As a QB. That's in the 3rd round. Do I think he'll get drafted in the 3rd round? No but somebody does and that somebody is CBS.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospect-rankings/

Well, let's see what happens there shall we. I wouldn't draft him as a QB, and never would have. He is good when he runs. He isn't when he doesn't.
10-03-2018, 02:56 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

#91 overall draft ranking. As a QB. That's in the 3rd round. Do I think he'll get drafted in the 3rd round? No but somebody does and that somebody is CBS.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospect-rankings/

double post
10-03-2018, 03:14 PM
Dawg61

There is a couple QB coaches in the NFL that will drool over his arm and size. If Fitz starts the rest of the year he'll get drafted I am guessing late 6th-7th rounds. Certainly at worst will get signed as an UDFA.
10-03-2018, 03:21 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

There is a couple QB coaches in the NFL that will drool over his arm and size. If Fitz starts the rest of the year he'll get drafted I am guessing late 6th-7th rounds. Certainly at worst will get signed as an UDFA.

there are lots of guys who can throw it a long way. His accuracy has always been an issue, and it's not better. Will someone give him a shot? Sure, hell each team starts off w 90 guys. There is less than a 1% he makes a roster.
10-03-2018, 03:36 PM
msstate7

Fitz probably kicks himself daily for not trying to follow Mullen.
10-03-2018, 03:48 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Fitz probably kicks himself daily for not trying to follow Mullen.

Do you know how sick to my stomach I would have been to see Fitz in blue and orange running it down our throats and hitting those Florida WRs?!!
10-03-2018, 03:58 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

there are lots of guys who can throw it a long way. His accuracy has always been an issue, and it's not better. Will someone give him a shot? Sure, hell each team starts off w 90 guys. There is less than a 1% he makes a roster.

You don't have to sell me on Fitz's shortcomings I am well aware already. Mock draft boards generally aren't off by hundreds of spots. Fitz is comfortably in the draft as of right now. That it no way is me touting his awesomeness. I think he's been very poor this year. Especially with his reads. He still has an NFL arm at the end of the day and no Homedawg not a lot of dudes have Fitz's size, arm and athleticism.
10-03-2018, 04:01 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

You don't have to sell me on Fitz's shortcomings I am well aware already. Mock draft boards generally aren't off by hundreds of spots. Fitz is comfortably in the draft as of right now. That it no way is me touting his awesomeness. I think he's been very poor this year. Especially with his reads. He still has an NFL arm at the end of the day and no Homedawg not a lot of dudes have Fitz's size, arm and athleticism.

Chad Kelly ring a bell? Cardale Jones? Brett Hundley? Aaron Murray? Matt Barkley? Jake Coker?

The projections on these guys were all off by 100+ spots at this point compared to where they were actually drafted. And those are just guys who were projected near the top of the draft at some point. That doesn't include guys who were projected 3rd-4th round and then weren't drafted.
10-03-2018, 04:10 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by smootness

This far out they absolutely can be. Guys have gone from projected #1 picks to basically out of the draft, especially at QB.

Only player I can think of fitting that description is Jevan Snead. I'm sure there are others so feel free to name them so we can take a trip down memory lane.
10-03-2018, 04:11 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Do you know how sick to my stomach I would have been to see Fitz in blue and orange running it down our throats and hitting those Florida WRs?!!

Probably as sick as me
10-03-2018, 04:11 PM
Gutter Cobreh

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Nope, me either.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

double post

Funny to see a double post from you, after acknowledging your resistance to the multi-reply feature...See you and Moorhead have something in common - both of you are stubborn in your ways.
10-03-2018, 04:14 PM
Gutter Cobreh

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Do you know how ecstatic I would have been to see Fitz in blue and orange running it right at Simmons and hitting our DBs in the numbers via overthrown balls?!!

FIFY
10-03-2018, 04:15 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Only player I can think of fitting that description is Jevan Snead. I'm sure there are others so feel free to name them so we can take a trip down memory lane.

Ah yes, forgot Jevan Snead. I knew there was somebody I was forgetting, one of the all-timers, and that was definitely it.
10-03-2018, 04:16 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh

FIFY

Had Florida had Fitzgerald on Saturday, we would have lost by about 30.
10-03-2018, 04:27 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

You don't have to sell me on Fitz's shortcomings I am well aware already. Mock draft boards generally aren't off by hundreds of spots. Fitz is comfortably in the draft as of right now. That it no way is me touting his awesomeness. I think he's been very poor this year. Especially with his reads. He still has an NFL arm at the end of the day and no Homedawg not a lot of dudes have Fitz's size, arm and athleticism.

Didn't say anything about his athleticism, I said he can't hit a trash can standing still at 15 yards. That's how you becom a nfl qb.
10-03-2018, 04:27 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by smootness

Chad Kelly ring a bell? Cardale Jones? Brett Hundley? Aaron Murray? Matt Barkley? Jake Coker?

The projections on these guys were all off by 100+ spots at this point compared to where they were actually drafted. And those are just guys who were projected near the top of the draft at some point. That doesn't include guys who were projected 3rd-4th round and then weren't drafted.

Don't start letting facts get in the way of a good argument
10-03-2018, 05:16 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by smootness

Chad Kelly ring a bell? Cardale Jones? Brett Hundley? Aaron Murray? Matt Barkley? Jake Coker?

The projections on these guys were all off by 100+ spots at this point compared to where they were actually drafted. And those are just guys who were projected near the top of the draft at some point. That doesn't include guys who were projected 3rd-4th round and then weren't drafted.

Almost all those guys spent decent time in the NFL and some are still on rosters.
10-03-2018, 05:42 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Almost all those guys spent decent time in the NFL and some are still on rosters.

That’s irrelevant to the OP’s point, they were vastly overrated in the draft projections
10-03-2018, 05:51 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

That’s irrelevant to the OP’s point, they were vastly overrated in the draft projections

Ok and I said "mock draft boards generally aren't off by hundreds of spots". I didn't say it never happens.

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