John Emery with the curveball..

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Originally Posted by dantheman4248

I would expect nothing less than a rebuttal with no substance from you. Do you think I want it to be the case? Just look at the facts some times. You really think a school that’s best HB in the nfl was a special teamer for most of his career is the better spot than a place that has the richest HB contract in history + Herschel Walker + TD? You know how hard of a sell that is to someone who isn’t a State fan? Like objectively try to sell that. Seriously.

We got beat for now, but a good 10+ win season + Aeris and Kylin having great years could be a game changer. Recruitment isn’t over until he signs.

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But you're giving UGA all the credit for turning these players out when they were all 5 star players or some of the most talented backs of their generation. That has nothing to do with UGA & everything to do with Herschal Walker's genetics.

That's like giving us credit for developing Jeffrey Simmons. Ridiculous. MSU has benefited way more from Simmons that we have benefited him. Simmons could've played at Alcorn & he was going to be an NFL player.

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Originally Posted by dantheman4248

I would expect nothing less than a rebuttal with no substance from you. Do you think I want it to be the case? Just look at the facts some times. You really think a school that?s best HB in the nfl was a special teamer for most of his career is the better spot than a place that has the richest HB contract in history + Herschel Walker + TD? You know how hard of a sell that is to someone who isn?t a State fan? Like objectively try to sell that. Seriously.

We got beat for now, but a good 10+ win season + Aeris and Kylin having great years could be a game changer. Recruitment isn?t over until he signs.

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But you're giving UGA all the credit for turning these players out when they were all 5 star players or some of the most talented backs of their generation. That has nothing to do with UGA & everything to do with Herschal Walker's genetics.

That's like giving us credit for developing Jeffrey Simmons. Ridiculous. MSU has benefited way more from Simmons that we have benefited him. Simmons could've played at Alcorn & he was going to be an NFL player.

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

We won't ever land a 5* RB that's not out of Mississippi. Unfortunately guys like that come along about every 5-10 years in MS, whereas it's every year or two in Louisiana. It was either Akers or Hill in '17 and Hill was a little underrated, but we weren't going to get both.

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I bet the odds of getting both would have been higher with Joe instead of Dan but we'll never know.

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

LOL You are one to be talking about somebody not being able to grasp a concept. You should be our Football Recruiting Coordinator, and then you may see recruiting in the real world, from a different perspective, than from your fantasy message board recruiting concept.

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Haha. Ridiculous post

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

But you're giving UGA all the credit for turning these players out when they were all 5 star players or some of the most talented backs of their generation. That has nothing to do with UGA & everything to do with Herschal Walker's genetics.

That's like giving us credit for developing Jeffrey Simmons. Ridiculous. MSU has benefited way more from Simmons that we have benefited him. Simmons could've played at Alcorn & he was going to be an NFL player.

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Knowshon Moreno and Todd Gurley were 4 stars.


It’s revionist history to say they were the most talented backs in their class. Your thinking that they were so great kinda proves the point that Georgia develops really well...

The slightest bit of fact checking and taking off your maroon glasses every now and then would go a long way for you to understand things realistically and not cry bloody unholy murder at anything that doesn’t go exactly MSU’s way.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

UGA is recruiting 5 stars at RB though & 5 stars have an infinitely better chance of playing well in the NFL regardless of what school they attend.

MSU has done a wonderful job of developing RBs the should've never been drafted into draftable players.

You just can't say that because UGA has gotten 5 stars & turned them into good NFL players that a player is more likely to pan out at UGA than MSU. They are mutually exclusive.

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I did just say that. We are talking about recruiting a 5* player aren't we?

Where are those drafted MSU HB's now?

Name one, just one MSU HB that has been exciting to watch in the NFL in the past decade. I'll give you two decades. Now look at UGA's HB history.

You think being surrounded by other 5* athletes on one team won't help you show out and stand out over surrounding your self by a team of really good players, but not 5*'s every where you turn? It's not like UGA only has 1 or 2 other 5* to compliment each other. They are loaded all over the board.

You sound like UF folks saying UF recruits itself.

Gurley was a very high 4 star though and the #9 back in the nation. Nobody bats 1.000 but if you sign a top 10 nationally ranked back every year, you're going to be produce some 1st round picks and NFL guys.

That said you never know what really sways HS guys. I think the national championship aspirations sells really well though

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

LOL You are one to be talking about somebody not being able to grasp a concept. You should be our Football Recruiting Coordinator, and then you may see recruiting in the real world, from a different perspective, than from your fantasy message board recruiting concept.

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Rep given

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Haha. Ridiculous post

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Lets try to get this to click...
UGA had 2 guys go over 1000 yds and another get up around 600. The depth chart isn't an issue for him if he is as good as expected(believe it or not competitors love to compete-he thinks he can be the guy not worried about a depth chart). They have more than enough carries to go around and he will take less of a beating year in and year out.

He will be running behind an O line that is flat out dominant. Ours is alright but will not compare to UGA's over the next couple of years.

He won't have to be the guy as a freshman. He can sit back and learn the offense getting limited carries. As a sophomore he can start to really get involved in the offense and by his Junior year he will be wide open.

A backs shelf life is pretty limited. Less carries in college theoretically means more carries making money.

He will more than likely get to compete for several SEC championships and possible NCs. Not saying he wouldn't get that chance here but I think we all can agree UGA has an easier route to the SECCG and a better team overall.

Athens>Starkville and I love Starkville it is a special place. But for everyone that isn't a State fan Athens will usually trump Starkville.

In the above there are several reasons a kid would select UGA over State despite being down the depth chart a bit. And as we have seen more recently, if it doesn't work out he will just transfer and find a home somewhere else.

My thoughts on why we were his #1 and then it seemed like other teams made a huge push is a pretty easy explanation. He blew up at the combine and some teams that were slow playing him decided he was just too good to pass up in favor of someone else. So they turned the heat up and went after him hard.

This isn't a debbie downer post. I think our program has come a long way and will continue to improve but we aren't to a point yet where we are going to go and land a 5* out of state prospect all that often. Who was the last 5* out of state player we landed? I can't remember? For those expecting this to change because we have a new staff are going to be pretty disappointed.

Lets keep winning and building this thing the right way. If we do that we will slowly start to land guys like this. Rome wasn't built in a day.

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Originally Posted by BB30

Lets try to get this to click...
UGA had 2 guys go over 1000 yds and another get up around 600. The depth chart isn't an issue for him if he is as good as expected(believe it or not competitors love to compete-he thinks he can be the guy not worried about a depth chart). They have more than enough carries to go around and he will take less of a beating year in and year out.

He will be running behind an O line that is flat out dominant. Ours is alright but will not compare to UGA's over the next couple of years.

He won't have to be the guy as a freshman. He can sit back and learn the offense getting limited carries. As a sophomore he can start to really get involved in the offense and by his Junior year he will be wide open.

A backs shelf life is pretty limited. Less carries in college theoretically means more carries making money.

He will more than likely get to compete for several SEC championships and possible NCs. Not saying he wouldn't get that chance here but I think we all can agree UGA has an easier route to the SECCG and a better team overall.

Athens>Starkville and I love Starkville it is a special place. But for everyone that isn't a State fan Athens will usually trump Starkville.

In the above there are several reasons a kid would select UGA over State despite being down the depth chart a bit. And as we have seen more recently, if it doesn't work out he will just transfer and find a home somewhere else.

My thoughts on why we were his #1 and then it seemed like other teams made a huge push is a pretty easy explanation. He blew up at the combine and some teams that were slow playing him decided he was just too good to pass up in favor of someone else. So they turned the heat up and went after him hard.

This isn't a debbie downer post. I think our program has come a long way and will continue to improve but we aren't to a point yet where we are going to go and land a 5* out of state prospect all that often. Who was the last 5* out of state player we landed? I can't remember? For those expecting this to change because we have a new staff are going to be pretty disappointed.

Lets keep winning and building this thing the right way. If we do that we will slowly start to land guys like this. Rome wasn't built in a day.

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You would make a good UGA recruiter. Glad you don't recruit for us

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Originally Posted by BB30

Lets try to get this to click...
UGA had 2 guys go over 1000 yds and another get up around 600. The depth chart isn't an issue for him if he is as good as expected(believe it or not competitors love to compete-he thinks he can be the guy not worried about a depth chart). They have more than enough carries to go around and he will take less of a beating year in and year out.

He will be running behind an O line that is flat out dominant. Ours is alright but will not compare to UGA's over the next couple of years.

He won't have to be the guy as a freshman. He can sit back and learn the offense getting limited carries. As a sophomore he can start to really get involved in the offense and by his Junior year he will be wide open.

A backs shelf life is pretty limited. Less carries in college theoretically means more carries making money.

He will more than likely get to compete for several SEC championships and possible NCs. Not saying he wouldn't get that chance here but I think we all can agree UGA has an easier route to the SECCG and a better team overall.

Athens>Starkville and I love Starkville it is a special place. But for everyone that isn't a State fan Athens will usually trump Starkville.

In the above there are several reasons a kid would select UGA over State despite being down the depth chart a bit. And as we have seen more recently, if it doesn't work out he will just transfer and find a home somewhere else.

My thoughts on why we were his #1 and then it seemed like other teams made a huge push is a pretty easy explanation. He blew up at the combine and some teams that were slow playing him decided he was just too good to pass up in favor of someone else. So they turned the heat up and went after him hard.

This isn't a debbie downer post. I think our program has come a long way and will continue to improve but we aren't to a point yet where we are going to go and land a 5* out of state prospect all that often. Who was the last 5* out of state player we landed? I can't remember? For those expecting this to change because we have a new staff are going to be pretty disappointed.

Lets keep winning and building this thing the right way. If we do that we will slowly start to land guys like this. Rome wasn't built in a day.

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+Rep
Some people just don't get it.. so they instantly thinking it's cheating.

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

I can't see how we wouldn't have a huge shot at a Memphis kid, playing in JoMo's offense and the SEC. I have a feeling, however, that it will eventually come down to us and Arkansas for Gray. Watch and see.

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Guys, what I know about recruiting comes from you guys, SPS, and what's free on Bulldogs 24/7. I checked Gray's info on 24/7. According to them Michigan has 11 RB's on the roster and 2 commits. He's not afraid of competition I'm sure but he has an offer from us along with about every SEC and Power 5 team in the country. Think we are on him still? As far as losing a 5* RB from La, that doesn't bother me near as much as the # of Ms guys going out of state this year. This is a rough recruiting year for MS talent. Glad we have JoMo and staff. Still a long way to go. Hail State!

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Guys, what I know about recruiting comes from you guys, SPS, and what's free on Bulldogs 24/7. I checked Gray's info on 24/7. According to them Michigan has 11 RB's on the roster and 2 commits. He's not afraid of competition I'm sure but he has an offer from us along with about every SEC and Power 5 team in the country. Think we are on him still? As far as losing a 5* RB from La, that doesn't bother me near as much as the # of Ms guys going out of state this year. This is a rough recruiting year for MS talent. Glad we have JoMo and staff. Still a long way to go. Hail State!

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We have the best talent in Miss. this year than we have had in a long time. We are in contact with Gray and several others but we currently don’t lead for any. You could say the same for LB and Wr.

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Originally Posted by Doggie_Style

We have the best talent in Miss. this year than we have had in a long time. We are in contact with Gray and several others but we currently don’t lead for any. You could say the same for LB and Wr.

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Recruiting link says Jackson just flipped to UM, 25 recruits, #13 in nation. Boy, this NCAA stuff is really hurting them.**** Meanwhile, we drop back to 19 and you say we don't lead for any other of our targets. I guess the meltdown starts now, (again). Long way to go. Who said this year in recruiting would be a rough ride, looks true.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

You would make a good UGA recruiter. Glad you don't recruit for us

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I get what you are doing. We have too many fans that are rational it makes it to the point where they unintentionally put MSU down.

Now I'm not going to get into the why someone should or shouldn't go to Georgia thing....but on our side we have the coach that just coached Saquon Barkley and put him in the NFL. I'd say that would be pretty attractive for a potential running back. Talking up Huff is a rational statement but it also doesn't put us or anyone else down.

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Recruiting link says Jackson just flipped to UM, 25 recruits, #13 in nation. Boy, this NCAA stuff is really hurting them.**** Meanwhile, we drop back to 19 and you say we don't lead for any other of our targets. I guess the meltdown starts now, (again). Long way to go. Who said this year in recruiting would be a rough ride, looks true.

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I'll only meltdown at the end of the year if it's even warranted. I'm fairly certain we could just get commitments from 25 guys and move back ahead of them if we wanted to. Of course, I wouldn't advise that because dropping players can cause damage.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I get what you are doing. We have too many fans that are rational it makes it to the point where they unintentionally put MSU down.

Now I'm not going to get into the why someone should or shouldn't go to Georgia thing....but on our side we have the coach that just coached Saquon Barkley and put him in the NFL. I'd say that would be pretty attractive for a potential running back. Talking up Huff is a rational statement but it also doesn't put us or anyone else down.

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Ding ding ding.

We have a winner.

If you give a typical MSU fan long enough, he'll let you know exactly why a player shouldn't attend MSU.

Ole Miss is delusional to a fault and we are realistic to such a fault that it screws with our ceiling and we get taken advantage of by the more creative, prideful type.

Pride is usually viewed as bad and humbleness good, but there is a point where it switches and the prideful man gets others to buy in and he humble man accepts lower standards

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I'll only meltdown at the end of the year if it's even warranted. I'm fairly certain we could just get commitments from 25 guys and move back ahead of them if we wanted to. Of course, I wouldn't advise that because dropping players can cause damage.

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I enjoy reading the opinions and info you guys have. I know their 25 commits are inflating the #13 ranking and several will pass them as classes fill up. What is bothering me is we only have 8 commits from the top 25 in Ms. with many more committed OOS & to OM. Very few of them are still uncommitted.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I'll only meltdown at the end of the year if it's even warranted. I'm fairly certain we could just get commitments from 25 guys and move back ahead of them if we wanted to. Of course, I wouldn't advise that because dropping players can cause damage.

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Great post. Let it play out. Y'all remember the basketball and baseball season? Wound up playing out pretty dang good. This ain't Danny boys staff recruiting. We will be fine.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Great post. Let it play out. Y'all remember the basketball and baseball season? Wound up playing out pretty dang good. This ain't Danny boys staff recruiting. We will be fine.

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Hope you are right. On the field results this year could change minds. I know OM won't stay at #13 as many other schools fill their classes. It is the # of this Ms HS class committed to OOS schools at this time that bothers me. My meltdown is over. Hail State!

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Ding ding ding.

We have a winner.

If you give a typical MSU fan long enough, he'll let you know exactly why a player shouldn't attend MSU.

Ole Miss is delusional to a fault and we are realistic to such a fault that it screws with our ceiling and we get taken advantage of by the more creative, prideful type.

Pride is usually viewed as bad and humbleness good, but there is a point where it switches and the prideful man gets others to buy in and he humble man accepts lower standards

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And I could see some Georgia coach or GA or whoever looking at a MSU MB and telling Emery- "See even they think you should come here".

Personally, I think it's the MSU message board culture to call people out when they are wrong- including here- and I think it may cause some fans to be overly cautious about what they post that it sometimes goes too far in the other direction. That and years of being told "Well, we're never going to be any good at football anyway." I actually remember being a child and my Mom telling me that "We're good in baseball and we're not good in football." This was the 80's. I remember my parents telling my that MSU football will always let you down. I'm saying this because I'm sure other MSU fans have had similar discussions with their families growing up. And that has to change and it hopefully it already is.

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

I enjoy reading the opinions and info you guys have. I know their 25 commits are inflating the #13 ranking and several will pass them as classes fill up. What is bothering me is we only have 8 commits from the top 25 in Ms. with many more committed OOS & to OM. Very few of them are still uncommitted.

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But as of now we have four in state four star players to their three- and one of their three was at our camp this weekend. And this is before the season even starts- there are some 4 and even 5 star guys that we may flip or get to commit. We'll see. It's a long way to December and February. I think we're in pretty decent shape considering we haven't played a game yet. That said I think it's imperative that we have a great season and that we win the Egg Bowl. As of now I have a lot of confidence in Joe.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Great post. Let it play out. Y'all remember the basketball and baseball season? Wound up playing out pretty dang good. This ain't Danny boys staff recruiting. We will be fine.

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If Dan was still here this class would be a disaster. Like Florida's.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

If Dan was still here this class would be a disaster. Like Florida's.

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No doubt about it. For being on the job 7 months and not having played one game Joes staff is recruiting well. There will always be some misses but I see us getting some others in the boat once they see us in action. I'm with you on the confidence I have in this coaching staff.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

If Dan was still here this class would be a disaster. Like Florida's.

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Actually it won't be long before Florida bolts up the ranking board and leaves us behind. They have scores of 4 and even 5 star guys that they lead for. We will be filling out the remainder of our spots with mainly lower rated players. Hopefully we can get the season going strong and get a nice surprise flip or two.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

You would make a good UGA recruiter. Glad you don't recruit for us

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I don't get paid to recruit for us but your view is pretty dense. It is called being a realist and choosing to not whine and complain about an out of state 5* RB not picking us because some recruiting site told you we had him.

Hard to improve on something if you can't see the truth and what the issues are and then improve upon those issues.

You asked why he would pick UGA over us from looking at their depth chart and then jumped on people for giving you an honest answer. There are a bunch of reasons a prospective prospect would pick UGA over State. There are also several reasons one would potentially pick us over other schools. But that wasn't what you asked. I never saw you ask why would a RB pick Miss state over UGA or what positives can we use in recruiting to get these kids. If you had asked that I would have told you my thoughts on what we can sell and how we could sell it.

75% of your posts are complaining about Bama UGA etc landing all the big time recruits/winning championships and how it isn't "fair". Life is not fair. There are haves and have nots in everything. The only way to change that is work harder than the next guy and do it the right way. No taking short cuts.

If we continue to win like we have been we will slowly get better in the recruiting and slowly elevate the program. Sorry it isn't happening as quickly as you would like it to. Look at Clemson, Oregon etc. That is the path we need to follow and are following. There are a lot of positive things going on in our program and we will continue to get better in all aspects but it is not going to happen over night.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

And I could see some Georgia coach or GA or whoever looking at a MSU MB and telling Emery- "See even they think you should come here".

Personally, I think it's the MSU message board culture to call people out when they are wrong- including here- and I think it may cause some fans to be overly cautious about what they post that it sometimes goes too far in the other direction. That and years of being told "Well, we're never going to be any good at football anyway." I actually remember being a child and my Mom telling me that "We're good in baseball and we're not good in football." This was the 80's. I remember my parents telling my that MSU football will always let you down. I'm saying this because I'm sure other MSU fans have had similar discussions with their families growing up. And that has to change and it hopefully it already is.

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Agree with everything besides other coaches reading other schools message boards. I could be wrong.

The not so simple fix to losing the "let you down" mentality is to win the big games. The Alabama game this past year is the perfect example.

In two years no future recruits will hardly remember which year it was we beat LSU or who won the egg bowl even probably. They would've remembered winning that game agains AL if we had finished. Or going in to UGA last year and winning (or at least competing) instead of getting embarrassed.

All definitely much easier said than done. I definitely think state fans are starting to believe like myself.... some are just way ahead of others.