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03-28-2018, 06:24 PM
Doggie_Style

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Originally Posted by dawgs

I’m sick of hearing we need more time to get talent on campus. we had to wait for Cohen to build up. Now we get to wait for whoever to build up again. We shouldn’t have these big lulls. Not with the commitment to the program we have. Football is a development program for us, baseball should not be. Go get a coach who will turn us into a top 20-25/fringe regional host discussion type team in “down” years and a national seed and national title contender in peak years. There’s literally no excuse why we can’t have a program with that kinda consistency. Sure 1 or 2 bad years happen, but we have far too many bad years mixed in over the last 15 years. Meanwhile Nichols st beats our ass midweek. Pisses me off, demand better. We have put too much into the program to accept anything less.

Not to be Captain Obvious but Cann was a disaster hire....let’s hope Cohen gets it right
03-28-2018, 06:40 PM
basedog

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

McMahon II?? ***

+1 and LMBO!

I will say I really liked Pat, but RP was a major problem for Pat. Looked over his shoulder and just wouldn't let the program go and getting in the way. Never could blame Pat for leaving, I think he was good Coach and left alone would have done really good things at Msu.
03-28-2018, 06:43 PM
preachermatt83

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Originally Posted by basedog

How would you know or do you know, just asking? I'm just gonna say again what ED wants is one thing, what Cohen, players, and even recruits what may or could be a whole different things.

I'm going sit and enjoy this thing, I do think Cohen will make a good pick regardless what I think and most on ED think?

I am kinda amazed and a little surprised about what I'm hearing, I have a slightly different view now. I do have a decent view anyway if you know what I mean.

Great post.
03-28-2018, 06:46 PM
Bully13

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Originally Posted by basedog

I'd rather hold off, I do have an interest, let me give you a hint, he is a HC, he does know a lot about Msu, he is a good recruiter better than what I though actually, he is a pitching coach, he has ties to the SEC from more than one SEC program.

Who this Coach is may not get the job nor want it, but I do know commits and recruits talk about him and hope he gets the job.

LOL Base. you might as well have spelled his name . thanks man.
03-28-2018, 07:02 PM
basedog

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Originally Posted by Bully13

LOL Base. you might as well have spelled his name . thanks man.

Does that mean I'm Elite now? Where the hell is my rep points, I mean am I not worthy? LOL!

In the future hopefully I will be able to say more about recruiting and future Dawgs! Maybe in the future I might not be able to read ED, I'm getting to old to really kick someone's ass like I use too!
03-28-2018, 07:17 PM
Gutter Cobreh

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Originally Posted by basedog

I'd rather hold off, I do have an interest, let me give you a hint, he is a HC, he does know a lot about Msu, he is a good recruiter better than what I though actually, he is a pitching coach, he has ties to the SEC from more than one SEC program.

Who this Coach is may not get the job nor want it, but I do know commits and recruits talk about him and hope he gets the job.

I knew there was a reason Polk finally came to a game a couple weeks ago... he was interviewing with Cohen and will be making his return to coaching. Here is hoping the 3rd time is the charm...***
03-28-2018, 07:24 PM
basedog

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Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh

I knew there was a reason Polk finally came to a game a couple weeks ago... he was interviewing with Cohen and will be making his return to coaching. Here is hoping the 3rd time is the charm...***

Another +1
03-28-2018, 07:36 PM
Coursesuper

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Originally Posted by basedog

+1 and LMBO!

I will say I really liked Pat, but RP was a major problem for Pat. Looked over his shoulder and just wouldn't let the program go and getting in the way. Never could blame Pat for leaving, I think he was good Coach and left alone would have done really good things at Msu.

As someone who know him well you couldn?t be more wrong. Mac made a major 17 up and he knows exactly what it was RP had nothing to do with it and nothing to do with him going to Fla.u
03-28-2018, 07:44 PM
basedog

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

As someone who know him well you couldn?t be more wrong. Mac made a major 17 up and he knows exactly what it was RP had nothing to do with it and nothing to do with him going to Fla.u

Interesting, clue me in.
03-28-2018, 08:01 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by dawgs

I’m sick of hearing we need more time to get talent on campus. we had to wait for Cohen to build up. Now we get to wait for whoever to build up again. We shouldn’t have these big lulls. Not with the commitment to the program we have. Football is a development program for us, baseball should not be. Go get a coach who will turn us into a top 20-25/fringe regional host discussion type team in “down” years and a national seed and national title contender in peak years. There’s literally no excuse why we can’t have a program with that kinda consistency. Sure 1 or 2 bad years happen, but we have far too many bad years mixed in over the last 15 years. Meanwhile Nichols st beats our ass midweek. Pisses me off, demand better. We have put too much into the program to accept anything less.

Unfortunately- baseball recruiting is the hardest of the Big 3. Recruits in baseball these days are committing earlier and getting locked in with coaches. Then you add in that by the end of the season- nearly all of the decent recruits are signed with programs. So anybody we hire- gets nothing to add recruiting-wise for the 2019 season. Our new coach coaches his 1st season with a completely inherited roster. So now he starts recruiting- and so many recruits are already committed to other programs- he has to get the best of the rest. So its going to be until 2020 until our new coach starts getting his recruits into the program and on the field. Cann was really awesome on the recruiting trial- and you see the minimal impact his guys have had this year paired with Cohen's leftovers.

No matter who we hire- its going to be a rebuild
03-28-2018, 08:34 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Doggie_Style

Not to be Captain Obvious but Cann was a disaster hire....let’s hope Cohen gets it right

The end result was a disaster. But it wasn't a bad hire.
03-28-2018, 09:00 PM
Bully13

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

As someone who know him well you couldn?t be more wrong. Mac made a major 17 up and he knows exactly what it was RP had nothing to do with it and nothing to do with him going to Fla.u

are we talking about the author who lives in VA?
03-28-2018, 09:26 PM
The Federalist Engineer

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Unfortunately- baseball recruiting is the hardest of the Big 3. Recruits in baseball these days are committing earlier and getting locked in with coaches.

No matter who we hire- its going to be a rebuild

Are you saying that these 3 recruiting classes are basically going to disappear, almost regardless of coach we hire?

In that case. We better sell the new stadium for scrap metal and crushed aggregate material.

This seems like the baseball program got an NCAA death penalty
03-28-2018, 09:29 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer

Are you saying that these 3 recruiting classes are basically going to disappear, almost regardless of coach we hire?

In that case. We better sell the new stadium for scrap metal and crushed aggregate material.

This seems like the baseball program got an NCAA death penalty

Holding these next 3 recruiting classes together will be very difficult
03-28-2018, 09:45 PM
Gutter Cobreh

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

The end result was a disaster. But it wasn't a bad hire.

His tenure lasted roughly 14 months, so however you want to slice it - Cann was a bad hire. It’s not even debatable.
03-28-2018, 10:07 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Holding these next 3 recruiting classes together will be very difficult

Inevitably some are going to go pro. That was never going to change. The fact that we haven't had any de-commits tells me that recruits are going to wait and see who the new coach is at least.
03-28-2018, 10:26 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Bully13

are we talking about the author who lives in VA?

Assuming that was it, where PM totally torked off Grisham and now all his money goes to UVA. Still hard to believe Mac would have been that stupid.
03-29-2018, 08:44 AM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh

His tenure lasted roughly 14 months, so however you want to slice it - Cann was a bad hire. It’s not even debatable.

If Canny doesn't become a dumbass chasing the poon then he is a great hire. Setting up top 5 recruiting classes and in his first year getting to a Super isn't a bad hire. I would guess there isn't anyone that expected Canny to do what he did.

Was Richard Williams a bad hire also since he "retired" for something worse? What would be the time limit on deciding that?
03-29-2018, 09:15 AM
The Federalist Engineer

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Assuming that was it, where PM totally torked off Grisham and now all his money goes to UVA. Still hard to believe Mac would have been that stupid.

So, the Grisham story that I have understood is that John’s son Ty Grisham wanted to play for MSU in around the 2000-2001 season. The kid was not a great prospect and McMahon did not want to entertain Ty even as a walk-on candidate. Maybe it was more, maybe Grisham wanted Ty on the 35 man-roster.

This made John Grisham very sour with MSU. At the same time, the moribund baseball program at UVA is willing to have Ty on the team. UVA in 2000 almost did not have any program, so why not have Ty on the team.

They accepted Ty as both a walk-on and into the 35-man-roster. In his 4 years at UVA, Ty got 12 at-bats in mop-up duty. Ty is very proud of being a pity case player and has “ball player” status listed in his on-line bio. In fairness to MSU it should read, “my dad paid for me to be a make-believe baseball player in college.”

In gratitude for Ty being on the team. John Grisham gave $3M dollars for a UVA stadium project and injected new life into the UVA program. Ty left UVA baseball in 2003 and Brian O’Conner came to town in 2004. The rest is history.

The punch-line is that Pat McMahan and MSU should have given “Fredo” Grisham a break, it would have kept a very influential alumnus happy.
03-29-2018, 09:33 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer

So, the Grisham story that I have understood is that John’s son Ty Grisham wanted to play for MSU in around the 2000-2001 season. The kid was not a great prospect and McMahon did not want to entertain Ty even as a walk-on candidate. Maybe it was more, maybe Grisham wanted Ty on the 35 man-roster.

This made John Grisham very sour with MSU. At the same time, the moribund baseball program at UVA is willing to have Ty on the team. UVA in 2000 almost did not have any program, so why not have Ty on the team.

They accepted Ty as both a walk-on and into the 35-man-roster. In his 4 years at UVA, Ty got 12 at-bats in mop-up duty. Ty is very proud of being a pity case player and has “ball player” status listed in his on-line bio. In fairness to MSU it should read, “my dad paid for me to be a make-believe baseball player in college.”

In gratitude for Ty being on the team. John Grisham gave $3M dollars for a UVA stadium project and injected new life into the UVA program. Ty left UVA baseball in 2003 and Brian O’Conner came to town in 2004. The rest is history.

The punch-line is that Pat McMahan and MSU should have given “Fredo” Grisham a break, it would have kept a very influential alumnus happy.

Even worse there was no 35 man limit at that time.
03-29-2018, 09:34 AM
Bully13

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Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer

So, the Grisham story that I have understood is that John’s son Ty Grisham wanted to play for MSU in around the 2000-2001 season. The kid was not a great prospect and McMahon did not want to entertain Ty even as a walk-on candidate. Maybe it was more, maybe Grisham wanted Ty on the 35 man-roster.

This made John Grisham very sour with MSU. At the same time, the moribund baseball program at UVA is willing to have Ty on the team. UVA in 2000 almost did not have any program, so why not have Ty on the team.

They accepted Ty as both a walk-on and into the 35-man-roster. In his 4 years at UVA, Ty got 12 at-bats in mop-up duty. Ty is very proud of being a pity case player and has “ball player” status listed in his on-line bio. In fairness to MSU it should read, “my dad paid for me to be a make-believe baseball player in college.”

In gratitude for Ty being on the team. John Grisham gave $3M dollars for a UVA stadium project and injected new life into the UVA program. Ty left UVA baseball in 2003 and Brian O’Conner came to town in 2004. The rest is history.

The punch-line is that Pat McMahan and MSU should have given “Fredo” Grisham a break, it would have kept a very influential alumnus happy.

especially since he was willing to walk on. I don't know why I remember Grisham's son ending up being a good player for UVA. thanks for clearing that part up for me.
03-29-2018, 09:36 AM
Bully13

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Originally Posted by basedog

Does that mean I'm Elite now? Where the hell is my rep points, I mean am I not worthy? LOL!

In the future hopefully I will be able to say more about recruiting and future Dawgs! Maybe in the future I might not be able to read ED, I'm getting to old to really kick someone's ass like I use too!

sorry base, I've never figured out how to give rep points. I guess there's instructions somewhere. I'll see if I can find it and give you one. well deserved sir.
03-29-2018, 09:54 AM
Bulldog1

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Originally Posted by Bully13

sorry base, I've never figured out how to give rep points. I guess there's instructions somewhere. I'll see if I can find it and give you one. well deserved sir.

The little star by the triangle. If that helps any
03-29-2018, 10:45 AM
sleepy dawg

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

How is Butch on the recruiting front and who would he bring in as far as a hitting coach? He has Auburn doing well this year and he certainly seems to improved them. I would kind of be disappointed unless he makes a lot of noise this year before taking the job.

"Seems" to have the improved? He has very obviously improved them. To me baseball is the SEC's best sport, and Auburn has been one of the worst teams in the conference many years. Now they're sitting a #4 in RPI in just his 3nd season there. That's about as obvious as an improvement of a team as you can get to me.
03-29-2018, 11:03 AM
Bully13

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Originally Posted by Bulldog1

The little star by the triangle. If that helps any

where is the triangle?
03-29-2018, 11:13 AM
preachermatt83

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Originally Posted by Bully13

where is the triangle?

Bottom left side of each post
03-29-2018, 11:13 AM
MedDawg

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Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer

So, the Grisham story that I have understood is that John?s son Ty Grisham wanted to play for MSU in around the 2000-2001 season. The kid was not a great prospect and McMahon did not want to entertain Ty even as a walk-on candidate. Maybe it was more, maybe Grisham wanted Ty on the 35 man-roster.

This made John Grisham very sour with MSU. At the same time, the moribund baseball program at UVA is willing to have Ty on the team. UVA in 2000 almost did not have any program, so why not have Ty on the team.

They accepted Ty as both a walk-on and into the 35-man-roster. In his 4 years at UVA, Ty got 12 at-bats in mop-up duty. Ty is very proud of being a pity case player and has ?ball player? status listed in his on-line bio. In fairness to MSU it should read, ?my dad paid for me to be a make-believe baseball player in college.?

In gratitude for Ty being on the team. John Grisham gave $3M dollars for a UVA stadium project and injected new life into the UVA program. Ty left UVA baseball in 2003 and Brian O?Conner came to town in 2004. The rest is history.

The punch-line is that Pat McMahan and MSU should have given ?Fredo? Grisham a break, it would have kept a very influential alumnus happy.

I agree not taking Grisham's son was a mistake-Grisham was a huge MSU baseball fan and a celebrity author. However, in 2003, even 3 million dollars would not have improved MSU's baseball team over the next several years.
03-29-2018, 11:13 AM
basedog

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Originally Posted by Bully13

where is the triangle?

Thanks Bully, no need as I promise my ego has long gone in the past, I actually don't have an agenda but maybe I should get one to help folks click the ads****

P.S. I think I should do a "My Thoughts"****
03-29-2018, 11:13 AM
preachermatt83

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Originally Posted by sleepy dawg

"Seems" to have the improved? He has very obviously improved them. To me baseball is the SEC's best sport, and Auburn has been one of the worst teams in the conference many years. Now they're sitting a #4 in RPI in just his 3nd season there. That's about as obvious as an improvement of a team as you can get to me.

Truth
03-29-2018, 11:16 AM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by sleepy dawg

"Seems" to have the improved? He has very obviously improved them. To me baseball is the SEC's best sport, and Auburn has been one of the worst teams in the conference many years. Now they're sitting a #4 in RPI in just his 3nd season there. That's about as obvious as an improvement of a team as you can get to me.

He finished 4th and 6th in the west his first couple years. Can he do more? He's .500 (early) in the SEC after Minge took him down last week. Of course, I can remember when AU wasn't terrible in baseball. You guys act like Hal Baird wasn't a good coach.
03-29-2018, 11:19 AM
Bully13

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

Bottom left side of each post

thanks Preach. Laughing my ass off. I noticed everyone here has a star but me. I only have the triangle to report my "detrimental" posts. I don't care who you are, that's funny right there.
03-29-2018, 11:22 AM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by Bully13

thanks Preach. Laughing my ass off. I noticed everyone here has a star but me. I only have the triangle to report my "detrimental" posts. I don't care who you are, that's funny right there.

That's how they identify Rebs.**
You click on that sheriff badge below the poster's name you want to give rep, not yours. Hope that helps.
03-29-2018, 11:36 AM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by sleepy dawg

"Seems" to have the improved? He has very obviously improved them. To me baseball is the SEC's best sport, and Auburn has been one of the worst teams in the conference many years. Now they're sitting a #4 in RPI in just his 3nd season there. That's about as obvious as an improvement of a team as you can get to me.

They are playing well this year but I am still gun shy about proclaiming a great season before SEC play starts. Polk got us to #1 in the country before we completely collapsed and he retired again.

Auburn has only had 2 losing seasons in the last 30 years, one of them was Butch's first year. They have been hovering around .500 with some really good stretches although they haven't made it to Omaha since 1997. Auburn isn't Vandy in football.

If Cohen hires Butch then I trust Cohen. I just would rather see more from Butch than 1/2 of a good year.
03-29-2018, 12:10 PM
Cooterpoot

Butch's first 2 years: 60-58, 24-36
Sonny Galloway's (previous coach): 62-50, 23-37

So you believe Butch has them doing something great you say?
03-29-2018, 12:11 PM
The Federalist Engineer

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Originally Posted by MedDawg

I agree not taking Grisham's son was a mistake-Grisham was a huge MSU baseball fan and a celebrity author. However, in 2003, even 3 million dollars would not have improved MSU's baseball team over the next several years.

Empires fall through a series of mistakes rather than a single mistake. To me it’s another thing that has led us to our current status. If it weren’t for foglesong and Byrne we would be in year 10 of Tommy Raffo’s regime

Probably averaging 9-to-12 SEC wins per year with 250 people as average attendance
03-29-2018, 12:57 PM
preachermatt83

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Butch's first 2 years: 60-58, 24-36
Sonny Galloway's (previous coach): 62-50, 23-37

So you believe Butch has them doing something great you say?

Smh. He's won 23 in first year, 37 in second year, and on pace for atleast 40 this year. Yea I'd say he's doing great there. Some of you just take crap from anywhere to try to prove an invalid point.
03-29-2018, 01:41 PM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

Smh. He's won 23 in first year, 37 in second year, and on pace for atleast 40 this year. Yea I'd say he's doing great there. Some of you just take crap from anywhere to try to prove an invalid point.

And the previous coach won 28 and then 36. Who knows where he would've been his 3rd year....I'm just saying what Butch has done at AU isn't special.
03-29-2018, 01:48 PM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

Smh. He's won 23 in first year, 37 in second year, and on pace for atleast 40 this year. Yea I'd say he's doing great there. Some of you just take crap from anywhere to try to prove an invalid point.

That is still a very small sample size that isn't even complete. If you don't know of his connection to Cohen then there would be a full blown meltdown if a coach got our job with those records. Butch took over a team who won 36 games the previous year and then won 23. He then improved them back to where they were and now has started really well. I don't think it is stretching to make a point that he would be a big step down from other names that have been thrown around.

A lot of people didn't like the Canny hire because he didn't have the head coaching experience even though he was an awesome recruiter and hitting coach with MLB ties. Cohen saw something in him and made a great hire at the time. Butch might win a Natty this year or he could flame out in SEC play and barely sneak into a Regional. It is still too early to tell. One thing I do know is Cohen is going to make a good to great hire and hopefully the next guy makes decisions with his big head.
03-29-2018, 01:57 PM
preachermatt83

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

That is still a very small sample size that isn't even complete. If you don't know of his connection to Cohen then there would be a full blown meltdown if a coach got our job with those records. Butch took over a team who won 36 games the previous year and then won 23. He then improved them back to where they were and now has started really well. I don't think it is stretching to make a point that he would be a big step down from other names that have been thrown around.

A lot of people didn't like the Canny hire because he didn't have the head coaching experience even though he was an awesome recruiter and hitting coach with MLB ties. Cohen saw something in him and made a great hire at the time. Butch might win a Natty this year or he could flame out in SEC play and barely sneak into a Regional. It is still too early to tell. One thing I do know is Cohen is going to make a good to great hire and hopefully the next guy makes decisions with his big head.

I can tell you for fact that if we want to keep our recruiting classes in tact then butch is who we better hire. Had I rather have McDonnell... of course but you can rest assured that the only way we hire anybody is after Him, Schlosnagle, and Corbin have said no... so if butch is plan b I'd say that's a heck of a plan b.
03-29-2018, 02:45 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

I can tell you for fact that if we want to keep our recruiting classes in tact then butch is who we better hire. Had I rather have McDonnell... of course but you can rest assured that the only way we hire anybody is after Him, Schlosnagle, and Corbin have said no... so if butch is plan b I'd say that's a heck of a plan b.

If we hire an elite guy that isn't named Butch we are still going to bring in elite players.

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