Evidence that Dan was shopping himself before the Egg Bowl

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03-23-2018, 07:31 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

Not to go down this rabbit hole so you can pat your back some more, but you still don't get it. The majority were just saying how your timing sucked not that you were definitely wrong. Just had to be the first with the bad news. Don't see any agenda accusations in those threads. Maybe I missed some of the back story?

agenda was the word used by Liverpool, 7, and others when they didnt like what I was saying about Mullen. I supposedly had some type of crazy agenda aagainst him
03-23-2018, 07:35 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Groupthink is not the best thing for MSU in any sport. See MSU baseball circa 1992-2008.

Not to mention how silly you look now. Ranging from "Who could we possibly get that's as good as Dan Mullen?" Answer- one of the top OC and offensive minds in all of college football with a guy that Tennessee hired and is one of the best recruiters in the country who knows the Nick Saban system basically begging for our job who WE turned down. That's right- TENNESSEE had to hire a guy we didn't want. To "Dan Mullen to Maryland isn't true".

It's good to support the program- but high standards must be maintained. And if a coach isn't maintaining those standards whether it be wins/losses, recruiting, looking for jobs indiscriminately or whatever the case may be- that coach should be called out on it rather than blindly defended. There's a big difference in support and sticking your head in the sand.

If I think the negative outweighs the positive I'll go after a coach. Mullen did a LOT for MSU, and anyone who says otherwise is just either stupid, bitter, or had a personal grudge. Now that he is gone I see no need to defend him. I thought he had faults too, you would be surprised. I just didn't voice them when he was our coach. If he had started losing I would have. He never really did so I defended him. The only group think I see is in this thread.
03-23-2018, 07:37 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

There's nothing you can defend. You were wrong as usual.

Ok 34, you win. He is gone now so I don't care. Enjoy. You know if JoMo is successful the rumors will start again. I for one certainly hope so.
03-23-2018, 07:38 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Coach34

He got interested in Maryland because UnderArmor was supposed to pump some money into the program. The owner is a Maryland guy or something like that. He wanted the Miami and Georgia jobs badly. His AD buddy couldnt help him at Georgia because the money guys wanted Kirby and then Richt backdoored him at Miami at the last second. Whats funny is he promised to bring Manny with him to Miami and they got him anyway but didnt hire Mullen.

That does make sense about UnderArmour.

I was pissed at Miami in 2015 for not taking him. As I said at the time and have been proven correct- that would have been the best thing for all parties involved. I think Dan being sulky hurt us big time in the 2016 recruiting class where he couldn't close on AJ Brown and Lashley among others. I just felt like the past two years I have been kind of listless regarding MSU football because you knew that Dan was not going to win very many big games and was probably going to go job hunting at the end of the year.
03-23-2018, 07:40 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

agenda was the word used by Liverpool, 7, and others when they didnt like what I was saying about Mullen. I supposedly had some type of crazy agenda aagainst him

You WERE awfully sensitive about it. An old preacher at a revival back in the day at my old church had a wise saying: " A bit dog always yelps". :D
03-23-2018, 07:50 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

If I think the negative outweighs the positive I'll go after a coach. Mullen did a LOT for MSU, and anyone who says otherwise is just either stupid, bitter, or had a personal grudge. Now that he is gone I see no need to defend him. I thought he had faults too, you would be surprised. I just didn't voice them when he was our coach. If he had started losing I would have. He never really did so I defended him. The only group think I see is in this thread.

My "personal grudge" with Dan has to do with him screwing up Dak's senior night and the Egg Bowl last year while he was looking for jobs to stroke his ego. At the end of the day Dan was average as a coach. And Florida is about to find that out too.

At the end of the day I felt like he had way too much power and was given too much leeway especially under Stricklin. Great in games where we had the talent edge- but he made highly questionable decisions that were Les Miles-esque in close games and big games. In fact in one of his biggest wins in 2014 he almost gave the game away because with about 8 minutes of game time left he felt like it was important to play our back-ups and got us in a situation where a Hail Mary would have beaten us when we dominated the game all night long. His recruiting was average at best- thanks to defensive staff it would have been bad. And he didn't always play the best players- anyone remember Holloway up the middle against Alabama in 2015 on the goal line? LOL. And then he decided to insult our intelligence by saying Holloway played more because of his blocking- only to see the offense instantly improve once Aeris took over because of an injury to Holloway. Thank God Aeris finally learned the playbook and how to block that week.**
03-23-2018, 07:59 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

My "personal grudge" with Dan has to do with him screwing up Dak's senior night and the Egg Bowl last year while he was looking for jobs to stroke his ego. At the end of the day Dan was average as a coach. And Florida is about to find that out too.

At the end of the day I felt like he had way too much power and was given too much leeway especially under Stricklin. Great in games where we had the talent edge- but he made highly questionable decisions that were Les Miles-esque in close games and big games. In fact in one of his biggest wins in 2014 he almost gave the game away because with about 8 minutes of game time left he felt like it was important to play our back-ups and got us in a situation where a Hail Mary would have beaten us when we dominated the game all night long. His recruiting was average at best- thanks to defensive staff it would have been bad. And he didn't always play the best players- anyone remember Holloway up the middle against Alabama in 2015 on the goal line? LOL. And then he decided to insult our intelligence by saying Holloway played more because of his blocking- only to see the offense instantly improve once Aeris took over because of an injury to Holloway. Thank God Aeris finally learned the playbook and how to block that week.**

I actually agree with most of that........I told you would be surprised. I'd add he never could establish a stable staff on the defensive side of the ball. THAT hurt us more than anything you mentioned. The positives still outweighed the negatives. I'm 53, I had pretty much given up on sustained success on the level Mullen brought. I'd never seen it. I also never saw a MSU football coach leave without basically being fired. It was a welcome change. I guess that's why I'm not bitter. I take the long view.
03-23-2018, 08:23 PM
Interpolation_Dawg_EX

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

If I remember correctly Cohen offered Dan an extension after we beat A&M and he wouldn't take it so Cohen started looking. That's why our search happened so quickly.

Was Morehead in Starkville for the Egg Bowl? My buddies family swears they saw him.
03-23-2018, 08:33 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX

Was Morehead in Starkville for the Egg Bowl? My buddies family swears they saw him.

Not that I am aware of. It's possible as quickly as things went down and the fact that Penn State played two days later. And at least didn't let it distract him if true- they hung 66 on Maryland on the road.
03-23-2018, 08:39 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

I actually agree with most of that........I told you would be surprised. I'd add he never could establish a stable staff on the defensive side of the ball. THAT hurt us more than anything you mentioned. The positives still outweighed the negatives. I'm 53, I had pretty much given up on sustained success on the level Mullen brought. I'd never seen it. I also never saw a MSU football coach leave without basically being fired. It was a welcome change. I guess that's why I'm not bitter. I take the long view.

I think at least some of Dan's perceived success has to do with the rise of the power 5 conferences. See USM- in 1980 they beat one of our best teams ever 42-14. As recent as 1990 we beat them 13-10 on a last second field goal. Fast forward to 2014- we beat them down 49-0 and it should have been 63-0. Then the next year we beat them in Hattiesburg something like 34-17 with Dak not being able to run and I believe USM won their division that year. Then you have the fact that you have the 12th game which is essentially a gimmie against a FCS team and it's easier to make a bowl than ever- a 5-7 team making a bowl was unheard of in years past.

Then the reality is Dan only had one winning SEC season and it clearly shows that he raised the floor but not the ceiling. And I think a lot of average coaches could have done what Dan did at MSU in the same era.
03-23-2018, 09:11 PM
Goldendawg

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Originally Posted by Bulldog1

After we lost Bama game, Mullen was not interested anymore.

And that was obviously almost every year he was here (always drew up that butt against bama), and especially 4 of the last 6 games against UNM which were losses. Their players always looked like that wanted it more than Dan's teams in those games.
03-23-2018, 09:15 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

If I think the negative outweighs the positive I'll go after a coach. Mullen did a LOT for MSU, and anyone who says otherwise is just either stupid, bitter, or had a personal grudge. Now that he is gone I see no need to defend him. I thought he had faults too, you would be surprised. I just didn't voice them when he was our coach. If he had started losing I would have. He never really did so I defended him. The only group think I see is in this thread.

We paid him basically 5 mil to lose to South Alabama and BYU. He was in hot water in 2013 and 16
03-23-2018, 09:16 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Not that I am aware of. It's possible as quickly as things went down and the fact that Penn State played two days later. And at least didn't let it distract him if true- they hung 66 on Maryland on the road.

If he was then we cant bitch and moan about Mullen sliding into UT's DMs
03-23-2018, 09:16 PM
Barkman Turner Overdrive

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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

Why in the world did he ever schedule UMass anyway? Probalby most of us didn't even know they had a football team before we played them the first time.

An audition for a future HC gig? Face it. Mullen may wind up there in four years after Flarda shitcans him (and Strick) in three years. There, he can keep his Country Club, be close to New Hampshire, run the Boston Marathon, go hiking in Europe, have down time away from coaching/recruiting, and keep a seven figure salary. You know, all the things he did here as an SEC HC that no other SEC school would have put up with.
03-23-2018, 09:18 PM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by Coach34

He got interested in Maryland because UnderArmor was supposed to pump some money into the program. The owner is a Maryland guy or something like that. He wanted the Miami and Georgia jobs badly. His AD buddy couldnt help him at Georgia because the money guys wanted Kirby and then Richt backdoored him at Miami at the last second. Whats funny is he promised to bring Manny with him to Miami and they got him anyway but didnt hire Mullen.

Under Armour guy was a walkon football player at Maryland. The number I heard was Dan getting 5 Mill per year for 5 years. Also getting facility upgrades to make them more competitive. I think the money had him planning on going but then UGA and Miami both were more of what he wanted.
03-23-2018, 09:25 PM
Goldendawg

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

We practiced - but non-contact and in helmets and no-pads. People on here were ape-shit about how soft we seemed for the Arky game because of it.

Didn't we also take the bus ride to Oxford the day of the game, get beat, and drive back home? P.S. But, but, will he still be the center of attention at the fall SEC meeting with his out of this world, stylish tennis shoes?
03-23-2018, 09:39 PM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Didn't we also take the bus ride to Oxford the day of the game, get beat, and drive back home? P.S. But, but, will he still be the center of attention at the fall SEC meeting with his out of this world, stylish tennis shoes?

Yeah, but I can?t remember what year. Two of the buses collided with each other on the trip back too.
03-23-2018, 09:40 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Didn't we also take the bus ride to Oxford the day of the game, get beat, and drive back home? P.S. But, but, will he still be the center of attention at the fall SEC meeting with his out of this world, stylish tennis shoes?

no- we won in Oxford in 2016
03-23-2018, 10:11 PM
Goldendawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

no- we won in Oxford in 2016

My bad. Thought we lost one to them when we made it a day trip. BTW, as I have noted several times, bring back the interlocking MSU. Best looking helmets ever!
03-23-2018, 10:16 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Didn't we also take the bus ride to Oxford the day of the game, get beat, and drive back home? P.S. But, but, will he still be the center of attention at the fall SEC meeting with his out of this world, stylish tennis shoes?

This happened in 14 and 12
03-23-2018, 10:20 PM
Goldendawg

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

This happened in 14 and 12

There were many losses to UNM under Dan where I could tell they wanted it more than us and were better prepared when the teams and coaches hit the field.
03-23-2018, 10:20 PM
mstatefan91

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Originally Posted by Coach34

agenda was the word used by Liverpool, 7, and others when they didnt like what I was saying about Mullen. I supposedly had some type of crazy agenda aagainst him

To be honest, it didn't feel like an agenda against Mullen but an agenda against State football... now, I know that isn't really the case, but it felt that way at the time..
03-23-2018, 10:22 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I think at least some of Dan's perceived success has to do with the rise of the power 5 conferences. See USM- in 1980 they beat one of our best teams ever 42-14. As recent as 1990 we beat them 13-10 on a last second field goal. Fast forward to 2014- we beat them down 49-0 and it should have been 63-0. Then the next year we beat them in Hattiesburg something like 34-17 with Dak not being able to run and I believe USM won their division that year. Then you have the fact that you have the 12th game which is essentially a gimmie against a FCS team and it's easier to make a bowl than ever- a 5-7 team making a bowl was unheard of in years past.

Then the reality is Dan only had one winning SEC season and it clearly shows that he raised the floor but not the ceiling. And I think a lot of average coaches could have done what Dan did at MSU in the same era.

The reality is we haven't had that many winning seasons in that short a span since the 40s. It doesn't fit your narrative but it's the truth. I'm greatful to Mullen for several things I thought I'd never see. That being said he is gone. He has moved on. I've moved on. It's time we all did.

Another thing: If JoMo is successful the rumors will start almost immediately. I hope they do!
03-23-2018, 10:23 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by mstatefan91

To be honest, it didn't feel like an agenda against Mullen but an agenda against State football... now, I know that isn't really the case, but it felt that way at the time..

Yep.
03-23-2018, 10:47 PM
SPMT

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Originally Posted by Bulldog1

After we lost Bama game, Mullen was not interested anymore.

After we lost which Bama game.......
03-23-2018, 10:52 PM
mstatefan91

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Originally Posted by SPMT

After we lost which Bama game.......

lol
03-24-2018, 12:45 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

The reality is we haven't had that many winning seasons in that short a span since the 40s. It doesn't fit your narrative but it's the truth. I'm greatful to Mullen for several things I thought I'd never see. That being said he is gone. He has moved on. I've moved on. It's time we all did.

Another thing: If JoMo is successful the rumors will start almost immediately. I hope they do!

There is no narrative. You're clueless about the state of college football now compared to decades past.

In 1989- 1990 we had two 5-6 seasons under Felker. In today's game with the added FCS team and added bowls both of those teams are bowl teams- much like Dan's 2011 and 2013 teams.

Between 1991-2000 Jackie would have gone:

1991- 8-5
1992- 8-5
1993- Who knows? Would have been 6-6 at best but with no OT we had two ties. I'm going to split hairs and guess that we beat Arkansas State in OT and lose to Arkansas on the road in Little Rock in OT to go 5-7. This would have been our first non-bowl season in four years by today's standards.
1994- 9-4
1995- 4-8
1996- 6-6
1997- 8-4 This team didn't go bowling despite 7 wins.
1998- 9-5 SEC West Champs
1999- 11-2
2000- 9-4

So, between 1996-2000 Jackie would have gone to four bowls in a row by today's standards. And would have definitively gone to 8 in 10 years while the program would have definitively gone to 10 in 12 years overall. And if things go our way in OT in 1993 it's 9 in 10 years and 11 in 12 years.

The 2000's sucked for us not because of our history but because we were being investigated, on probation, and made a bad hire that still managed to make a bowl in 2007. After 2009 we went right back on our trajectory in the 1990's- except with fewer big time wins than the 1990's.

2009- 5-7
2010- 9-4
2011- 7-6
2012- 8-5
2013- 7-6
2014- 10-3
2015- 9-4
2016- 6-7
2017- 9-4
03-24-2018, 02:07 AM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

There is no narrative. You're clueless about the state of college football now compared to decades past.

In 1989- 1990 we had two 5-6 seasons under Felker. In today's game with the added FCS team and added bowls both of those teams are bowl teams- much like Dan's 2011 and 2013 teams.

Between 1991-2000 Jackie would have gone:

1991- 8-5
1992- 8-5
1993- Who knows? Would have been 6-6 at best but with no OT we had two ties. I'm going to split hairs and guess that we beat Arkansas State in OT and lose to Arkansas on the road in Little Rock in OT to go 5-7. This would have been our first non-bowl season in four years by today's standards.
1994- 9-4
1995- 4-8
1996- 6-6
1997- 8-4 This team didn't go bowling despite 7 wins.
1998- 9-5 SEC West Champs
1999- 11-2
2000- 9-4

So, between 1996-2000 Jackie would have gone to four bowls in a row by today's standards. And would have definitively gone to 8 in 10 years while the program would have definitively gone to 10 in 12 years overall. And if things go our way in OT in 1993 it's 9 in 10 years and 11 in 12 years.

The 2000's sucked for us not because of our history but because we were being investigated, on probation, and made a bad hire that still managed to make a bowl in 2007. After 2009 we went right back on our trajectory in the 1990's- except with fewer big time wins than the 1990's.

2009- 5-7
2010- 9-4
2011- 7-6
2012- 8-5
2013- 7-6
2014- 10-3
2015- 9-4
2016- 6-7
2017- 9-4

Rep. Liverpool thinks we dont deserve no better than living with the shoes.

We should be glad Mullen used us!!! We were number 1 for like 5 weeks dude!!***
03-24-2018, 03:30 AM
TUSK

I gotta ask:

Are you cats pissed at Delane Michaels because he:
1. Left for a better gig?
2. Allowed his search for said gig to compromise his current gig?
3. Shit the bed vs OM and couldn't win "big" games (multiple times)?
4. His demeanor?
5. All of the above/other?
03-24-2018, 07:36 AM
Bulldog1

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Originally Posted by SPMT

After we lost which Bama game.......

This year. Hence, the Arkansas game.
03-24-2018, 08:10 AM
Bully13

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Originally Posted by TUSK

I gotta ask:

Are you cats pissed at Delane Michaels because he:
1. Left for a better gig?
2. Allowed his search for said gig to compromise his current gig?
3. Shit the bed vs OM and couldn't win "big" games (multiple times)?
4. His demeanor?
5. All of the above/other?

1 NO

2. YES

3. Partially. kinda hard to win when your playing against hired assassins paid to amputate limbs.

4. he's an asshole. nuff said.
03-24-2018, 08:13 AM
msbulldog

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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

Why in the world did he ever schedule UMass anyway? Probalby most of us didn't even know they had a football team before we played them the first time.

I maybe wrong, but I think that was the year Tulane dropped us suddenly and we had to reach out and find a home game to make up. UMass wasthe only one we could find.
03-24-2018, 09:07 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Rep. Liverpool thinks we dont deserve no better than living with the shoes.

We should be glad Mullen used us!!! We were number 1 for like 5 weeks dude!!***

Unreal. EVERY coach uses every team. It?s a job and a business. JoMo is doing the same. So did Jackie.
03-24-2018, 09:23 AM
basedog

Mullen is the only Coach in my lifetime not to be fired or resign (see JWS who would have been fired). Now I'm not happy with the way thing went down or how Mullen left but now I could care less. Coaches do what Mullen did more often than not, hell look at our society and things now days are just different, no respect and if you don't agree with someone they start hating, try to dig up information that can destroy ones reputation or even kill folks!

Move on little wanna be sport writers, who really gives a crap why or how he left now. Talk about the present or the NIT or girls basketball, hey our sorry ass baseball program right now. Nothing anyone sys about Mullen will change things, fact is it's very boring as again I could care less and so should most of you.

Btw, I've been following Msu baseball probably longer than most who read or post on ED. This is the first year ever I have no interest about this year. Pretty sad to me.
03-24-2018, 09:57 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by basedog

Mullen is the only Coach in my lifetime not to be fired or resign (see JWS who would have been fired). Now I'm not happy with the way thing went down or how Mullen left but now I could care less. Coaches do what Mullen did more often than not, hell look at our society and things now days are just different, no respect and if you don't agree with someone they start hating, try to dig up information that can destroy ones reputation or even kill folks!

Move on little wanna be sport writers, who really gives a crap why or how he left now. Talk about the present or the NIT or girls basketball, hey our sorry ass baseball program right now. Nothing anyone sys about Mullen will change things, fact is it's very boring as again I could care less and so should most of you.

Btw, I've been following Msu baseball probably longer than most who read or post on ED. This is the first year ever I have no interest about this year. Pretty sad to me.

Yep. I'd add that JWS was gong to be fired. He in effect was.
03-24-2018, 10:20 AM
basedog

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Yep. I'd add that JWS was gong to be fired. He in effect was.

JWS just was burn out for many reasons.

Btw, speaking of history, here is a stat that was kinda surprising to me. Msu overall baseball winning % just for Sec play = 53%. Of the other 13 Sec schools we have a winning record over 8 other Sec schools.
03-24-2018, 10:49 AM
Barkman Turner Overdrive

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Originally Posted by basedog

Msu overall baseball winning % just for Sec play = 53%. Of the other 13 Sec schools we have a winning record over 8 other Sec schools.

Now that’s just downright depressing.
03-24-2018, 11:08 AM
Coach34

Our fans have a very inflated view of our baseball program vs what we really are
03-24-2018, 11:31 AM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Unreal. EVERY coach uses every team. It?s a job and a business. JoMo is doing the same. So did Jackie.

No they dont. According to you and others Mullen was never using us to begin with
03-24-2018, 11:34 AM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by basedog

JWS just was burn out for many reasons.

Btw, speaking of history, here is a stat that was kinda surprising to me. Msu overall baseball winning % just for Sec play = 53%. Of the other 13 Sec schools we have a winning record over 8 other Sec schools.

I'd say most teams in the SEC arent much better than that historically. Maybe LSU. Winning records over 8 of 13 aint bad in the best league in the country

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