Only for 2 SBs. Still take Joe. He did it at ND in college too. Came real close to doing it with KC.Quote:
Originally Posted by parabrave
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Only for 2 SBs. Still take Joe. He did it at ND in college too. Came real close to doing it with KC.Quote:
Originally Posted by parabrave
The afc was horrible during Montana career. The afc won 1 super bowl during Montana careerQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Yea ... but the Giant and Bears weren't.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I agree. And I don't think it's "hate for Brady"- at least for me it isn't. I think it's a lot of people have forgotten just how good Joe Montana was. The guy pretty much took playing QB/football/and the West Coast Offense and made it into an art form almost. He changed the game. I think Brady is close- he's second for me- but it's just not quite at the level of Montana. Joe could make incredible plays running the ball and he could drill it into extremely tight windows. And he did it in a mostly base personnel two WR/one TE/two RB system. It would be absolutely scary how good he would be in a pass first spread system with RPO's built into it because of his mobility and decision making.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Yeah, Brady should have tanked those 3 AFC title games, then he could be 5-0 and win your comparison.**Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I'll take the guy who, in 16 seasons as a starter, made the playoffs 94% of the time, played in the AFC title game 75% of the time, played in the Super Bowl 50% of the time, and won the Super Bowl 31% of the time.
To be fair, Montana is great on those percentages too (82%, 55%, 36%, 36%). But I don't think Super Bowl won/loss record is a very good way to evaluate a team unless you also throw in years they missed the Super Bowl altogether.
ETA - Those Montana percentages are for his time on the 49ers only, not including 1979, 1991, or 1992. Add in the Chiefs and you get (84%, 54%, 31%, 31%). Brady's number's don't include 2000 or 2008.
Worked his way up from 7th on the depth chart at ND to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
17 point loss in afc title game is not close to a super bowl win. Cowboys beat the bills by 17 tooQuote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Well you guys are using super bowl win % as factor of who was better. NFC in super bowl was a given...Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
He got knocked out with a concussion. It's why he retired.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
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Originally Posted by dawgday166
He played the next year
You're right. But he did get knocked out with concussion. And he retired because of concussions.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
And the Redskins.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
And those terrible AFC teams that Joe beat were led by: Ken Anderson (a borderline HOF QB who probably will get in one day), DAN MARINO during a season where he threw 50 TD passes, Boomer Esiason (the weakest of the group but it was his best year), and JOHN ELWAY.
I'm not sure if the AFC teams were really that bad or if the NFC teams were that elite.
And I don't recall any of those teams starting their back-up QB. Or Joe losing to Eli ****ing Manning. Kevin Fant has a better record against Eli than Brady. And then you have who? Jake Delhomme? Donovan McNabb was about Esiason level. I'll certainly give Brady credit for Kurt Warner, Matt Ryan, and Russell Wilson. And we'll see how Ryan and Wilson fare down the road- but that group is hardly Elway/Marino-esque.
How so? They both had to play the game. Any of those great NFC powers could have gotten upset- like Brady did THREE times.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
93 lost in afc championship game to billsQuote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
94 lost to dolphins in wildcard
http://www.nfl.com/player/joemontana...66/careerstats
Just think if Montana had beaten the bills in 1993 and lost to the cowboys, he would not have been the GOAT*^
I agree. I'll take Joe any day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Montana wasn't Kelly. He wouldn't have lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Well, it didn't happen that way. If if's and's or but's are candy and nuts we'd all have a Merry Christmas.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Yeah, he would. The cowboys would have beat the afc pro bowl team (kinda kidding, kinda not)Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Cowboys were an average NFC champion at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I was about to say- if Montana had taken the Chiefs to the Super Bowl I wouldn't have been shocked at all if he would have won. He beat the Super Bowl Champion 49ers in 1994 and Elway again with one of the greatest comebacks his last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
It basically all comes down to era and how we think that a player would have done in a certain era vs. the other.
I'm with you. Brady ... he ok sorta.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Brady just won MVP at the age of 40. He hasn't retired. All you haters have a few more years of him playing peak football to enjoy. I know you will.
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Until we find out he's taking performance enhancers of some sort. Sorta like deflate gate. 49ers didn't do quite the cheating the Pats do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Cowboys and 49ers were class of nfl in early 90s.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Now Brady on PEDs... you strong with hate.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Not sure about it. But everyone thought Bonds was performing miraculous feats too. He's 40. Takes a lot of hits and keeps on ticking. He must be watching that diet and exercise program exceptionally well ... which maybe he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
49er were so so. If Seifert brings Montana off bench to replace Young in Cowboys 1st NFC title game, Cowboys don't make the SB.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Young mucho over rated. Early on when Rice was covered, he'd pull it down and run. Same with Owens later one. Young couldn't get to his 3rd receiver.
Cowboys won by 17Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
A slightly less pressurized football isn't why the Colts got their asses handed to them by Brady 45-7. What a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Brady is a fitness freak. There isn't a lack of articles or news coverage about it. Must be hard to dodge all the positive info on him so you can keep your hating alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Well then ... Seifert would have had to bring off bench with a little more than 2:00 to go then.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
You think Montana couldn't master a big comeback. He did it a few times himself to. Once down 18 in 4th after being sacked 11 times.
So was Bonds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Brady even topped that... down 25 in the super bowl last season hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
What I've gathered from this debate so far is that Montana is the best because in years he didn't win the Super Bowl, he would have won it if he hadn't lost before he got there.
He's definitely on his Brady-biotics that he was promoting on the Today show. Hey, maybe there's something to it although it does sounds kind of like a scam to me and Bellicheck ran off Brady's personal trainer.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
All this time, I have always liked urban more than saban, but conceded saban was better. I was wrong though... urban never lost in a natty, but saban has.