Mason decommits and commits to UPig

Do not look now, but OM has a higher rating per recruit than us. We are 30th and they are 38th, but our lead is based on 3 more commits/signees.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Do not look now, but OM has a higher rating per recruit than us. We are 30th and they are 38th, but our lead is based on 3 more commits/signees.

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Their recruiting guys got Corral a 5 star bump, and a few others got a bump. Same shit every year. It doesn?t translate to the field.

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Originally Posted by JDog13

Their recruiting guys got Corral a 5 star bump, and a few others got a bump. Same shit every year. It doesn?t translate to the field.

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Good point on corral. He is most likely really pulling up their recruiting ranking per player

Yeah there?s now way in heck corral should be a 5 Star. unm hype

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Yeah there?s now way in heck corral should be a 5 Star. unm hype

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He is probably a 5-Star much like Sidney was for us. Both are talented guys, but other aspects of their life will keep them from ever reaching their potential

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Originally Posted by msstate7

He is probably a 5-Star much like Sidney was for us. Both are talented guys, but other aspects of their life will keep them from ever reaching their potential

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I watched him in elite 11 and some other games. 4 Star was the correct rating for him. He?s not as talented as Jake Fromm and he was a 4 Star.

The kid does have some talent but he?s not a 5 Star.

A lot of melt about a player who isn't all that good anyway. I hope everyone feels better now.

If people want to know why we lost him- it's because recruiting is about relationships and that's where MSU falls short a lot of the times. Most coaches that are MSU grads don't steer their players to MSU like this guy's head coach did. Relationships makes a difference. And that's why Ole Miss so desperately tries to find an "in" with every recruit that they want really bad. If we want to stop this from happening we have to start finding our own "ins" with family/coaches that are on our side. It's as simple as that.

I can't believe I read every word of this entire thread. Holy shit my head is hurting now. What was I thinking?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

A lot of melt about a player who isn't all that good anyway. I hope everyone feels better now.

If people want to know why we lost him- it's because recruiting is about relationships and that's where MSU falls short a lot of the times. Most coaches that are MSU grads don't steer their players to MSU like this guy's head coach did. Relationships makes a difference. And that's why Ole Miss so desperately tries to find an "in" with every recruit that they want really bad. If we want to stop this from happening we have to start finding our own "ins" with family/coaches that are on our side. It's as simple as that.

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Still doesn?t always work. We always seem to win over the parent that loses the vote. For instance doesn?t Lovett?s Dad favor MSU? Carvin?s Dad supposedly was high in MSU and I thought I read that Masons parents liked State.

Always a guessing game and I agree nobody knows how good he will be as the big instate guys apparently weren?t all that high on him

Give me mayden over corral every damn day. If that means my ratings are lower, so be it.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Good point on corral. He is most likely really pulling up their recruiting ranking per player

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We're also about to sign 6-7 more players that will likely boost ours. If our guys aren't rated as high as they should be part of that is on our recruiting media people like Rosebowl. It's a BS system that we don't play like we should because I don't know why.

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Originally Posted by Irondawg

Still doesn?t always work. We always seem to win over the parent that loses the vote. For instance doesn?t Lovett?s Dad favor MSU? Carvin?s Dad supposedly was high in MSU and I thought I read that Masons parents liked State.

Always a guessing game and I agree nobody knows how good he will be as the big instate guys apparently weren?t all that high on him

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Of course it doesn't always work. It's not about being foolproof- it's about giving yourself the best chance to land a player. Our recruiters and assistants are paid to figure that out- everyone else can apparently figure out that the high school coach or uncle or whoever is the key to getting a player is. Our recruiting reporters are getting their information from the staff or people close to the staff I assume- and if our staff if off on who the key figure in that player's life is, odds are our recruiting reporters are going to be off on it too. Not their fault- they're paid to report what they are told and if it's wrong it's wrong.

I think a lot of it at this point falls on Dan still- personally it seemed to me like if the players key person truly was their parent we were good. If not, well then shit happens a lot of times. Probably a lot of that again was from Dan and his staff just being too lazy overall to figure out who that key person was- and if they did figure out it was someone other than a parent I would imagine a lot of times Dan just threw his hands up and said forget it. Dan simply did not do what he needed to do to recruit at a high level and he and we suffered for it for years. And if you ask me that's our main reason for not having more top 25 wins under Dan like we did under Jackie. Starting in 2019 everything falls on Joe. At this point all I want to see our staff do is replace Mason with someone like Aaron Brule- who I actually like better than Mason anyway personally. Plus it would keep our NOLA pipeline going and we have had more success in Louisiana getting impact players lately than we have from Alabama.

Back to the original point of this post- it's up to the staff to evaluate and figure out the key people that they need to have a relationship with. And maybe we need to start to encourage our alumni that are high school coaches to sell MSU football more if they aren't totally comfortable steering a good player to us. Recruiting is a selling job and it's about relationships- and we need to do a better job of that going forward.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Of course it doesn't always work. It's not about being foolproof- it's about giving yourself the best chance to land a player. Our recruiters and assistants are paid to figure that out- everyone else can apparently figure out that the high school coach or uncle or whoever is the key to getting a player is. Our recruiting reporters are getting their information from the staff or people close to the staff I assume- and if our staff if off on who the key figure in that player's life is, odds are our recruiting reporters are going to be off on it too. Not their fault- they're paid to report what they are told and if it's wrong it's wrong.

I think a lot of it at this point falls on Dan still- personally it seemed to me like if the players key person truly was their parent we were good. If not, well then shit happens a lot of times. Probably a lot of that again was from Dan and his staff just being too lazy overall to figure out who that key person was- and if they did figure out it was someone other than a parent I would imagine a lot of times Dan just threw his hands up and said forget it. Dan simply did not do what he needed to do to recruit at a high level and he and we suffered for it for years. And if you ask me that's our main reason for not having more top 25 wins under Dan like we did under Jackie. Starting in 2019 everything falls on Joe. At this point all I want to see our staff do is replace Mason with someone like Aaron Brule- who I actually like better than Mason anyway personally. Plus it would keep our NOLA pipeline going and we have had more success in Louisiana getting impact players lately than we have from Alabama.

Back to the original point of this post- it's up to the staff to evaluate and figure out the key people that they need to have a relationship with. And maybe we need to start to encourage our alumni that are high school coaches to sell MSU football more if they aren't totally comfortable steering a good player to us. Recruiting is a selling job and it's about relationships- and we need to do a better job of that going forward.

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Slight hijack... you cats need to be HAMMERING the state of Alabama, IMO.... Currently, UA has (only) 1 signee and 1 commit for 2018... over the last ~5 years, there has been a huge vacuum for talent in-state...

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Originally Posted by BHildreth3

We're going to get who we get. There is nothing any of us can do about the final signees and the final number. Jump on board and get excited about the 2018 season. Once we start rolling up wins, we'll gain some more momentum. There are some that spend way too much time being negative and thinking that maybe bitching on here will change the outcome of the class. Shut up, wait til Signing Day and try to say something positive.

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Damn Right! +1

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Originally Posted by NCDawg

Probably 90% of the posters on this board don't remember Cooper when he coached for Sherrill as DC. Total disaster.

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I remember that idiot and his stupid sideline signals very well.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

We're also about to sign 6-7 more players that will likely boost ours. If our guys aren't rated as high as they should be part of that is on our recruiting media people like Rosebowl. It's a BS system that we don't play like we should because I don't know why.

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6-7? Seems like a lot.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Good point on corral. He is most likely really pulling up their recruiting ranking per player

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Him and that 4-star receiver they flipped from Ga.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Of course it doesn't always work. It's not about being foolproof- it's about giving yourself the best chance to land a player. Our recruiters and assistants are paid to figure that out- everyone else can apparently figure out that the high school coach or uncle or whoever is the key to getting a player is. Our recruiting reporters are getting their information from the staff or people close to the staff I assume- and if our staff if off on who the key figure in that player's life is, odds are our recruiting reporters are going to be off on it too. Not their fault- they're paid to report what they are told and if it's wrong it's wrong.

I think a lot of it at this point falls on Dan still- personally it seemed to me like if the players key person truly was their parent we were good. If not, well then shit happens a lot of times. Probably a lot of that again was from Dan and his staff just being too lazy overall to figure out who that key person was- and if they did figure out it was someone other than a parent I would imagine a lot of times Dan just threw his hands up and said forget it. Dan simply did not do what he needed to do to recruit at a high level and he and we suffered for it for years. And if you ask me that's our main reason for not having more top 25 wins under Dan like we did under Jackie. Starting in 2019 everything falls on Joe. At this point all I want to see our staff do is replace Mason with someone like Aaron Brule- who I actually like better than Mason anyway personally. Plus it would keep our NOLA pipeline going and we have had more success in Louisiana getting impact players lately than we have from Alabama.

Back to the original point of this post- it's up to the staff to evaluate and figure out the key people that they need to have a relationship with. And maybe we need to start to encourage our alumni that are high school coaches to sell MSU football more if they aren't totally comfortable steering a good player to us. Recruiting is a selling job and it's about relationships- and we need to do a better job of that going forward.

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Contact with Aaron Brule has been re-established, inroads are being laid.

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Originally Posted by msbulldog

Contact with Aaron Brule has been re-established, inroads are being laid.

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Hopefully it works out. CBs seem to say he ark bound too though

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Him and that 4-star receiver they flipped from Ga.

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The 4 star WR was dropped by UGA and looks like a Dedric Thomas WR

I?m surprised early playing time is a concern for Mason. He really needs to learn the safety position if that?s where he wants to be..... he was used like Jamal Peters in high school where he lined up everywhere and didn?t really have a true position.

So question for those that are smarter than me - If we don't have the fanba$e like Ole Miss, then what can we do to change our recruiting profile???

In my opinion, 3 things:

1) We just win football games and we will do that this year with our schedule and talent. If you keep winning, players see that and want to go to a winning program.
2) Continue improving football facilities but i'm not talking about suites and shit for alumni. We need to do what we can to improve the game day environment for the PLAYERS. Our game day locker room is pathetic and the fact that Southern Miss blows us away in this department is absolutely UNACCEPTABLE.
3) Continue pouring money into the football recruiting staff - more people, better software, whatever we need to do.

The one thing to watch and i'm hoping this happens...I hope Coach Moorhead and staff can start beating the better teams. I hope he's a better playcaller than Dan. We got to start beating the top SEC West teams. Until we start beating them, we won't get that top 10 recruiting class and we will stay around top 25-30 recruiting.

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Originally Posted by BHildreth3

So question for those that are smarter than me - If we don't have the fanba$e like Ole Miss, then what can we do to change our recruiting profile???

In my opinion, 3 things:

1) We just win football games and we will do that this year with our schedule and talent. If you keep winning, players see that and want to go to a winning program.
2) Continue improving football facilities but i'm not talking about suites and shit for alumni. We need to do what we can to improve the game day environment for the PLAYERS. Our game day locker room is pathetic and the fact that Southern Miss blows us away in this department is absolutely UNACCEPTABLE.
3) Continue pouring money into the football recruiting staff - more people, better software, whatever we need to do.

The one thing to watch and i'm hoping this happens...I hope Coach Moorhead and staff can start beating the better teams. I hope he's a better playcaller than Dan. We got to start beating the top SEC West teams. Until we start beating them, we won't get that top 10 recruiting class and we will stay around top 25-30 recruiting.

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In regards to facilities, we are stuck in a stalemate between not wanting to build a new M Club type building in the South EZ and bowling in the south Ez. We need to do something.

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In regards to facilities, we are stuck in a stalemate between not wanting to build a new M Club type building in the South EZ and bowling in the south Ez. We need to do something.

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Build it and they will come!

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Correct, it's really not a big deal in itself.

My bigger concern is that our new staff is losing recruiting battles to a below average program with a new staff

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Do we know for sure that our staff was all in for him or not?

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Do we know for sure that our staff was all in for him or not?

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He wants to play RB and they gave him the option.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

A lot of melt about a player who isn't all that good anyway. I hope everyone feels better now.

If people want to know why we lost him- it's because recruiting is about relationships and that's where MSU falls short a lot of the times. Most coaches that are MSU grads don't steer their players to MSU like this guy's head coach did. Relationships makes a difference. And that's why Ole Miss so desperately tries to find an "in" with every recruit that they want really bad. If we want to stop this from happening we have to start finding our own "ins" with family/coaches that are on our side. It's as simple as that.

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We have too many blue hairs who are still LT types and ok with 11 am kickoffs. They?d just as well grab a cane pole and hit the river bank on a fall Saturday than go watch a football game. They hate cold beer sales and they especially don?t want people buying alcohol on Sundays. We have way too many aw shucks we will try again next time passive alumni.

If you want the mindset to change, this group has to change their Templeton mindset.

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We have too many blue hairs who are still LT types and ok with 11 am kickoffs. They?d just as well grab a cane pole and hit the river bank on a fall Saturday than go watch a football game. They hate cold beer sales and they especially don?t want people buying alcohol on Sundays. We have way too many aw shucks we will try again next time passive alumni.

If you want the mindset to change, this group has to change their Templeton mindset.

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Everybody should be blackout drunk in the Junction at 2am after a football game or you're a shitty fan!!!****

Our fan base isn't passionate about MSU athletics or MSU in general. We don't have a large number retiring back to Starkville like OM (Oxford) does either.
And to be honest, our alumni association and the things the school does to help is minimal at best. Our fans, alumni, and school do a terrible job of getting everyone on the same page.

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

We have too many blue hairs who are still LT types and ok with 11 am kickoffs. They?d just as well grab a cane pole and hit the river bank on a fall Saturday than go watch a football game. They hate cold beer sales and they especially don?t want people buying alcohol on Sundays. We have way too many aw shucks we will try again next time passive alumni.

If you want the mindset to change, this group has to change their Templeton mindset.

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I give those "blue hairs" props for sticking with it throughout life. Most don't, and most of you won't, in case you were wondering. The SEC has to have 11 a.m. kickoffs every week. They need to put the least interesting games in those slots. I'm fine with that, but I'll never be fine with a Thursday night game on campus.

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

He wants to play RB and they gave him the option.

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Sounds to me that our staff did not care if he moved on or not. Plus his chance of seeing the field at RB is better at ARkY right now.

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

Sounds to me that our staff did not care if he moved on or not. Plus his chance of seeing the field at RB is better at ARkY right now.

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I don't have a ton of inside of info, but i've heard our staff was not terribly disappointed that he moved on. We have a ton of safety's on our roster already and Mason was gonna have to learn to play the position. Also the kid is interested in playing rb and no way was he gonna crack the depth chart here at rb. It looks to be the case of a mutual breakup.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Our fan base isn't passionate about MSU athletics or MSU in general. We don't have a large number retiring back to Starkville like OM (Oxford) does either.
And to be honest, our alumni association and the things the school does to help is minimal at best. Our fans, alumni, and school do a terrible job of getting everyone on the same page.

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I disagree. Our fan base is smaller and thus we have less money, but our fans are very passionate. Look at our attendance vs population of starkville and compare it to every other sec schools attendance vs the population of the city where it resides.

I go to games, give money, watch every baseball, football, basketball, and nearly every women?s basketball game. Most of us are passionate about msu athletics. The fact that people aren?t lining up to retire to starkville says a lot more about starkville and it?s leadership than our passion for msu. Hell its taken until 2017 to finally have smn like what now exists in the cotton district. The city is sitting on a gold mine and hasnt taken advantage of it for 50 years.

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I disagree. Our fan base is smaller and thus we have less money, but our fans are very passionate. Look at our attendance vs population of starkville and compare it to every other sec schools attendance vs the population of the city where it resides.

I go to games, give money, watch every baseball, football, basketball, and nearly every women?s basketball game. Most of us are passionate about msu athletics. The fact that people aren?t lining up to retire to starkville says a lot more about starkville and it?s leadership than our passion for msu. Hell its taken until 2017 to finally have smn like what now exists in the cotton district. The city is sitting on a gold mine and hasnt taken advantage of it for 50 years.

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Excellent post!

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Originally Posted by confucius say

I disagree. Our fan base is smaller and thus we have less money, but our fans are very passionate. Look at our attendance vs population of starkville and compare it to every other sec schools attendance vs the population of the city where it resides.

I go to games, give money, watch every baseball, football, basketball, and nearly every women?s basketball game. Most of us are passionate about msu athletics. The fact that people aren?t lining up to retire to starkville says a lot more about starkville and it?s leadership than our passion for msu. Hell its taken until 2017 to finally have smn like what now exists in the cotton district. The city is sitting on a gold mine and hasnt taken advantage of it for 50 years.

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Our fan base isn't much smaller than OM. It's minimal. The difference is the number of people that care. I'll give you the money, that's a fact. But it's less about the number of people. As for attendance, check out basketball or football this past season. We aren't filling it up. We're a passive fan base. For every one of you, there's hundreds like I'm describing. I've been on this ship since the 70's. The passion, as a whole, at OM far exceeds what we do.

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Our fan base isn't much smaller than OM. It's minimal. The difference is the number of people that care. I'll give you the money, that's a fact. But it's less about the number of people. As for attendance, check out basketball or football this past season. We aren't filling it up. We're a passive fan base. For every one of you, there's hundreds like I'm describing. I've been on this ship since the 70's. The passion, as a whole, at OM far exceeds what we do.

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Great post.

Ole Miss is more committed than us and more cut throat. It’s as simple as that. MSU people are more realistic and rational but that’s not always a great thing. Particularly in recruiting.

I can tell you what kids I've been involved with basically say about State. They all like State, but it's the "boring" option. The parents like it because it's a "laid back" school and not a lot of trouble.
The athletes and their parents mention the atmosphere at OM (fun and passionate). They mention how many wealthy people are at OM (right or wrong, folks consider that as far as opportunities in the future because of connections etc.). They also mention how so many people move back to OM later because it's a great place.
Now, I've seen a million times how we all talk about "we recruit a certain kind of kid" and "if you're looking for fun, we don't need you" type stuff. That's the lack of passion. Hell, the only time I hear from the alumni assoc. or anyone with MSU is when they want me to buy more tickets. We're too damn passive. We don't want to make things better or make things happen. We want to sit back and then complain and dismiss kids for not wanting to come here. Go do something about it. Stop complaining because we aren't this or that and definitely stop having pride in being some type of "different" school when that's not what the kids want.
Hell, our out of state recruiting of students is worse than our recruiting of athletes out of state. OM goes and gets those kids and gets their name out there.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

I can tell you what kids I've been involved with basically say about State. They all like State, but it's the "boring" option. The parents like it because it's a "laid back" school and not a lot of trouble.
The athletes and their parents mention the atmosphere at OM (fun and passionate). They mention how many wealthy people are at OM (right or wrong, folks consider that as far as opportunities in the future because of connections etc.). They also mention how so many people move back to OM later because it's a great place.
Now, I've seen a million times how we all talk about "we recruit a certain kind of kid" and "if you're looking for fun, we don't need you" type stuff. That's the lack of passion. Hell, the only time I hear from the alumni assoc. or anyone with MSU is when they want me to buy more tickets. We're too damn passive. We don't want to make things better or make things happen. We want to sit back and then complain and dismiss kids for not wanting to come here. Go do something about it. Stop complaining because we aren't this or that and definitely stop having pride in being some type of "different" school when that's not what the kids want.
Hell, our out of state recruiting of students is worse than our recruiting of athletes out of state. OM goes and gets those kids and gets their name out there.

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Nailed it

As I’ve said before, I love Mississippi State but can’t stand the mentality of many of its fans.

How do we change what you spoke about? How do we build that pride, passion, and sexiness?

From a mentality standpoint, we need more Brandon Walkers and less Bo Bounds and Hair Gels.

How do we get there?

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Originally Posted by confucius say

I disagree. Our fan base is smaller and thus we have less money, but our fans are very passionate. Look at our attendance vs population of starkville and compare it to every other sec schools attendance vs the population of the city where it resides.

I go to games, give money, watch every baseball, football, basketball, and nearly every women?s basketball game. Most of us are passionate about msu athletics. The fact that people aren?t lining up to retire to starkville says a lot more about starkville and it?s leadership than our passion for msu. Hell its taken until 2017 to finally have smn like what now exists in the cotton district. The city is sitting on a gold mine and hasnt taken advantage of it for 50 years.

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It's us Blue Hairs that put up the money for the stadium expansion, for the Seals Complex and the new Dude. That is called passion.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

We're also about to sign 6-7 more players that will likely boost ours. If our guys aren't rated as high as they should be part of that is on our recruiting media people like Rosebowl. It's a BS system that we don't play like we should because I don't know why.

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That damn rosebowl. You think Paul and Roberto can get us some more stars?