I kinda think he was below average.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
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I kinda think he was below average.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Not based on his record. He was considered an up and comer. Now personally I don?t like him but he was a pretty hot commodity when hired.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUSK
Why does Tennessee (the state) not have "the talent"? They're almost as big as Alabama and Mississippi combined.
Y?all gimme a bit, I gotta break away but want to continue this discussion.
Y?all do your homework ***.
BBL
Of course Tusk, and the beat goes on! Best thing for TN is they play in the East which has Vandy, Missouri and Kentucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUSK
I have always wondered that too. They have several big metropolitan areas with Memphis, Nashville, Knoxville, Chattanooga and maybe some more I?m forgetting.Interesting for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by RocketDawg
Tennessee has money but they aren't about to invest $45 -50 mill in contract money to attempt to steal Mullen and it'd take that much when you consider that Dan would need a considerable raise from $4.8 mill per year, he'd need a max years contract (5 years), they'd have to pay Butch's buyout and they'd have to pay Dan's buyout. Simply put nobody is dropping $50 mill to sign someone that has never beaten Alabama. That is the standard they MUST hire the next guy with. Someone that can beat Saban. It's a small pool to choose from.
Hey Tusk maybe they?ll hire Les****
East Tennessee suffers from what Dan Jenkins called "Under-Bro" syndromeQuote:
Originally Posted by RocketDawg
It would be a step up from Butch....Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Lots of folks on here are calling UT a "shit job"... and that may be (real time, factual), but lemme ask yall this:
If Dan Mullen (above average coach) had Top 15-20ish talent (like UT has), how would he do vs UT's '17 schedule?
I'll hang up, and listen.
Dan makes 4.8M/yr? wow... I thought it was a bit lower...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
That being said, IF UT thought CDM was "the guy":
1) UT will stroke off a check for Butch's buy out at $6M (they are going to fire him and pay him that, regardless... so, buyout is a non factor).
2) UT won't bat an eye at paying "the guy" $45-50M to coach and pay his former employer's buyout.
3) "The guy" would have a better chance of beating Bammer with UT talent and ancillary support.
that being said, I don't think that UT thinks that CDM is "that guy".... but I do know this:
CDM at UT is more dangerous than:
1) CDM at MSU or,
2) Butch Jones at UT.
Les would be a step up. I don?t like butch at all but when he was hired he was considered on the rise. He won 4 conference championships(albeit 2 Mac and 2 big east) in 3 years at central Michigan and 3 years at Cincinnati. So it was considered a good hire at the time. And Dan has proven what he can do with even above average talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUSK
I know it's not your intent but it's disrespectful when you say "wow...I thought it was a bit lower". That line of thinking is just another example of how other fanbases prefer to keep viewing MSU as if it's still 2005. Dan Mullen makes $4.8 mill a year in Starkville, Mississippi which is about $6.5 mill worth in Knoxville (cost of living and shit). MSU took Dan off the table for everyone else with that salary.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUSK
Nobody bats an eye at dropping $50 mill unless they are Bill Gates. $50 mill is $50 mill.
MSU has been a better football program than Tennessee for almost a decade straight now. It isn't 1996 anymore when Fat Phil was clearly cheating his ass off to recruit nationally for Tennessee. He didn't share his cheating ways with the new coaches and about 5 other football programs started in Florida since then so Tennessee can't pluck those players away anymore like they used to be able to do back in the 90's. The aren't nearly the same national brand they still hang onto being back with Peyton as their QB. If Tennessee doesn't spend stupid money to grab Gruden or Kelly (and I am not sold Kelly will work either) they aren't going to get much better than their current level. Sooner or later they're just gonna have to face the fact that they are in a subpar talent level state and 15-25 other programs within their recruiting area have all improved significantly since 1996. Knoxville ain't Nashville.
Pretty obvious Finebaum achieved what he wanted here. There’s no chance Dan goes to TN. It’s not even remotely possible. Let it go.
If we finish up this class like it looks like we are and we recruit 2019 well you will find out because that's roughly what our rankings will be. I think ultimately Dan can get us from 6-8 wins a year that we are currently at to 8-10 consistently with top 15-20 recruiting. He's averaging 8 a year as it is with what he is currently doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUSK
So, basically improve o-line and WR recruiting which he is doing and I think he gets us there. Which is why I think the "we'll never be more than an 8 win program" mantra is wrong.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Tennessee needs to hire Iowa State's coach. He has ties to Ohio which is an area that they have historically recruited and he could probably get some good players from there. They'll screw if up again though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
1) Dino Babers (Syracuse)Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
2) Matt Campbell (ISU)
3) PJ Fleck (Minn)
4) Mike Norvell (mempho)
5) The Hat as a wild card.
He'd win 9-10 a year prolly.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUSK
Exactly, and he’s already close to doing that at MSU and at TN he still has to play Bama every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
TN is a good job. Just not good enough to leave MSU for.
I'd agree in general. However, for 2018? No, definitely not. UT is clearly not a better job for Dan Mullen than MSU for 2018. And maybe not over the next 5 seasons, with OM sanctions upcoming and quality quarterbacks and running backs on State's campus and currently committed to State for 2018 and 2019. Georgia is already back to easily leading the East. I'd guess that UT will be losing a lot of their good 2014-2016 recruits over the next couple of seasons. So in my opinion, UT wouldn't be a better job for Dan Mullen until 2022 or 2023 at the earliest.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUSK
I think the changing landscape of college football is evident when you look at programs like NE and TN. TN has always recruited on a national level out of necessity like NE. But the talent pool has grown and the players have more attractive options to stay closer to home. Those types of programs just have a tougher row to hoe these days to separate themselves from the rest of the competition.
as far as Mullen is concerned, if the hammer drops hard on tsun like most folks outside of oxford think, Dan's gonna be sitting in a pretty sweet spot with his $4.8M gig. I'm laying odds on him realizing that.
SDS and Finebaum must be laughing their heads off. We are so predictable.
Thank you. It isn't hard. Before Saban people were saying the same things about Alabama that they are saying about Tennessee now. "They aren't what they used to be, they can't taken anyone's coach, never coming back, etc." Everyone knew they had won titles but they were in the distant and forgotten past.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUSK
One of the few posts I agree with, UT has more money than God. Thus, their ROI is horrible.
Let us know when Tennessee gets Saban. Till then MSU is a better football program than Tennessee.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hasu Dackds
Also the money wouldn't be that much more and he would have to move his family and all that comes with it like selling a big ass house in Starkville. Megan has said numerous times that she likes the fact that after losing a game that she can still go to the grocery store. That doesn't happen like that in UT. It would be back to death threats and everything else if you lose to UGA, UF, or Bama.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
I don't know how much is because of UT or the coaches are recruiters. Our recruiting has drastically improved since we have gotten some coaches that are known to be good recruiters. Dan has typically had more develop minded coaches on staff with a couple of guys that were the main recruiters. We have also hired some "recruiting analysts" like other programs so we are getting on closer to even footing.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUSK
As far as facilities, Dan basically designed his football complex and he doesn't give a shit about an indoor practice facility (even though we have 2 of them). I haven't been to Knoxville but everything I have seen is that it is big but that is all you can say about it. Davis Wade is a pretty nice stadium and Dan also had input into the endzone expansion. When we bowl it in, he will have input into that also. He isn't too many years away from being #1 all time in wins and he very well might have a statue outside the stadium. You probably can't say that at UT or just about anywhere else. Dan also gets along great with the President and entire athletic department. There is something to be said about Dan and his family loving to live in Starkville. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.
Gruden isn't leaving ESPN. He makes almost 7 million a year and works maybe 40 to 50 hours a week at his most busy. He isn't taking a college job to work 80 hours a week and have to deal with all of the bullshit boosters and kissing 18 year old kids asses.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUSK
This guy gets it. Gruden has said numerous times he enjoys his time with his family and doesn't miss the rat race of coaching. Heck he only works about 4 months out of the year and makes more than he could make coaching.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
Mike Norvell at Memphis, or Justin Fuente, or both interesting hires to me. I doubt Fuente would leave, but the point I'm getting at, is Memphis. That's the most talent-rich city in the state of Tennessee and they hardly have any success there. I think the formula for Tennessee football recruiting is to keep Memphis kids in-state. Take their share from Atlanta and Charlotte due to proximity. Then, unfortunately for them, they'll have to go fight like everybody else down in South Florida. It's just the nature of it.
They used to have success in Virginia and California but I just do not see that happening anytime soon again.
On the other hand, you can't go hire a coach with 2 years experience just because the guy is in Memphis. Bottom line, you've got to find a guy who can get the players there. I think they should go with Charlie Strong. I mean Kiffin showed you how to do it. That's why I think Mullen is a horrible fit for Tennessee....he's not a recruiter. For Mullen to jump he needs a program that has a resting talent pulse above that of Tennessee.
Dan saw the bad side of coaching at Florida. He's not leaving unless one of a very few jobs open and want him. Not sure why our fans get into this conversation every year.
Yep, Megan has mentioned it multiple times. Dan has to raise expectations a lot more at MSU before you would come close to the fan expectations at any of the "bigger" programs. Similar to Gruden, I am not sure that money would be enough of a motivating factor to get him to move especially when it isn't double your salary type money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Dan has a lot less stress at MSU and the ability to put his name forever on a SEC program. I am not sure if he thinks of it but he can have his name associated with MSU the way Bowden is with FSU, Beamer at Va Tech, Spurrier at UF, and Snyder at KSU. Saban will never have his name stamped on the program at Bama because of Bear Bryant. He will forever be the guy who reinvigorated "Bear Bryant's program".
Tennessee could offer more money than us if they really wanted to, but it would not be reasonable for them to offer Mullen what it would take. We could match them up to 6 or 6.5 if we wanted to. I don't think they would go any higher than that, and I don't think he would leave unless they did.
At one time, Tennessee WAS a better program compared to Mississippi State. That is no longer true. I don't know why so many people keep spreading the false narrative that UT is a better program than M State.
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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Tennessee is not a better program, but they do have a higher ceiling. They also have unrealistic expectations and shitty in state talent to match those expectations which makes getting fired in 4 or 5 years extremely likely for whoever takes the job.....which makes the job much less attractive to someone that is already making nearly 5 million dollars a year.
I agree with you for they are just like OM and would buy the players also.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUSK
And this is why ESPN had to layoff about 100 other reporters, and is iffy at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
You're right. It wouldn't make any sense for Dan to leave MSU for Tennessee. We can pay him the same and it's a lot less stressful at MSU. I also don't think it's a fit for Dan because of how they expect to recruit which is a very similar set-up to Ole Miss and Auburn with overactive boosters. I just don't see it happening. Not to mention we're set-up to win 8-10 games over the next few years. Tennessee is going to probably have to do some rebuilding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
The problem with them as far as Memphis is the location oddly enough. Memphis is a lot closer to MSU, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt, roughly the same as far as Alabama, Arkansas, and LSU in terms of distance and travel time compared to Knoxville and as a result almost everyone in the SEC recruits Memphis some. Everything gets thinned out pretty quickly. Tennessee is a lot closer to Atlanta and probably would be more effective trying there. At the very least they could put a dent into Georgia's recruiting probably while still trying to get what they could out of Memphis and Nashville.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hasu Dackds