He should get Dorne, a lot of pretty ladies for him down there.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
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He should get Dorne, a lot of pretty ladies for him down there.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
Just to throw some shit out here...
How y'all heard the Bran is really the Night King theory?
It kinda makes sense.
Haven't heard that one. I have heard that he is actually Bran the Builder who travels back and builds the wall by warging into his ancestor. Some people have also said he is the voices that drives the Mad King insane also. It might be something the books get into but the show just glosses over.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
I've long suscribed to something to that effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
The whole tower incident in the first Bran chapter/episode 1 is just to throw us off, painting Jamie as a villain and Bran as innocent. But in the end the role will be reversed with Jamie as the main hero and with everyone wondering if the whole world would be better off if Bran hadn't survived.
GRRM does like the curveball to everything. Jon being the bastard sent to the wall in the first book. You basically think he is some character of no importance. Now the show is basically revolving around him. It would be a huge twist if Jaime was Azor Azahi and Bran was the Night King. Not sure if Jaime could be the Prince that was Promised but people have said they might not be the same person.Quote:
Originally Posted by BulldogBear
Th last two episodes have been incredible.
I wonder if the dragon will fly with the dead, or if he'll be like the guy who rescued J. Snow. Apparently not all the dead follow the night king. Would be cool if the dead dragon eventually turned back.
Now they will have Jon and Dany flying dragons against the Night King flying his. Although it does eliminate the whole "the dragon has 3 heads" prophecy. Maybe the dragon does turn against the Night King so we get the 3 Targs flying dragons similar to how Westeros was conquered to begin with. Dany, Jon, and "maybe Tyrion" so you have a girl and 2 guys instead of a Aegon and his 2 sisters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Uncle Benjen told Bran he was rescued by the Three Eyed Raven before he turned into a full wight.
I really liked the episode as well, but the glaring timing issues and deus ex machina devices were annoying. In the span of a single day, dude jogs all the way back to the wall, a raven gets to Dany halfway across the continent, and Dany gets on a dragon, flies halfway across a continent, and arrives in the nick of time. That's not compressing the plot for narrative purposes like Jon's trip up north two episodes ago or the various fleets and armies sailing back and forth in the early part of the season. That's just contrived drama. And Jon's uncle riding in to for the rescue at the last minute from out of nowhere and then refusing to ride to safety with Jon because "there's no time"? Uh, what? Maybe that's the best way they could think of to kill off the uncle?
But again, that stuff aside, it was great. Lots of crazy possibilities now with the undead dragon.
What say y'all about Arya and Sansa? After Arya's thinly veiled threat, my first thought was "Welp, they're going to kill Arya next." But I'm not sure they've done enough with her character yet give how much time they built up her training. The mass murder of the Freys was big, but not big enough to be her final significant act before death. Also, what exactly is the game here for Littlefinger? Sure, with no Arya and Jon gone, everyone in the North will rally around Sansa, through whom Littlefinger will hope to ascend to power. But if he's even kind of paying attention to what's happening, his position that far north is not a good one without the help of Jon and his current allies. And then there's Bran, who, catatonic or not, surely has to have some role in the goings on at Winterfell. Sansa's and Arya's vacillations between sophistication and naivety are frustrating, especially in light of the bigger battle going on around them.
I thought he was turned by the Children of the Forest but done differently than they did the Night King. It has been a while so it may have been the 3 eyed raven.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
The whole time issue kind of bugged me also but I just had to let it roll off my back. The episode was good other than that. Jon killing the dead while everyone else was getting on the dragon was also kind of dumb. Also Benjen dieing like that was anticlimatic. I could see him saying the horse wasn't strong enough to carry them as fast as they needed because that makes sense. Him saying there is no time was shitty writing. That is the biggest thing that has stuck out is how much better of a writer that GRRM actually is. A lot of what is happening now could almost be pulled from message board posts and the dialog isn't as sharp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prediction? Pain.
I read where the producers said things were moving faster this season and next. I understand why now. It's all the outline GRRM gave them. There are no subtle subplots or long narratives to muddle through. I would venture a guess that the whole dragons and wights beyond the wall scene is far longer and more detailed in Winds of Winter.
I think a lot of this is why GRRM has said the book will be different. They probably get to the arrow head mountain and pick off a scout. Instead of sending Gendry to run with all of them on their tails, they probably send him ahead to warn the Wall how close they are. It is probably a week or so trek with the dead army behind them instead of a short sprint. The book will allow more of the timeline to work out rather than rushing it so it fits in the action packed episode.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
Will the "Night King" use the dead dragon to melt the wall and castle Black.
Do you really want me to answer that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Offshore Dawg
I thought that was pretty f'n obvious. What else would TNK need a fookin' undead dragon for? Also, it appears everyone who guessed Jon would ride Rhaegal was correct in their assumption. TNK killed Viserion, leaving Rhaegal. Thus, Jon will ride the dragon named for his father and Dany rides Drogon. I'm expecting at least one epic aerial battle between Jon/Rhaegal, Dany/Drogon, and TNK/Viserion before the story concludes.Quote:
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Originally Posted by TrapGame
I've been working on the assumption that Bran will actually be on the side of the Others/Walkers for some time based on the books. But somehow being the Night King would be exactly the type of crazy twist GRRM loves. Plus it'll be an incredibly emotionally moment when Jon has to kill his brother/cousin to save the realms of men.Quote:
Originally Posted by BulldogBear
Also gotta agree with Bear about Jamie being on a redemption arc, particularly in the books. I think his story is going to play out much differently than how it has on tv.
It would be interesting if Jamie creates Lightbringer by plunging it into Cersi's heart.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
Damn, that would be one hell of a twist. But I'm still on the bandwagon of The Hound being the Valonqar. He's going to take out Zombie Mountain then off Cersei.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
Just had a thought.
What if Bran time traveled to set up his assassination attempt with the dragonglass dagger b/c he knows he will eventually become the Night King?
I kind of hope Cersei pulls this trick on the unsullied and dothraki at the siege in episode 7.
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Now my brain is starting to hurt. I have no idea who's behind the attack. I thought it might be Little Finger, but that seems too obvious. Then I thought maybe Cersei, but she had little to gain by Bran's death. That's one of the hardest mysteries to figure out in the entire series. But a Bran time travel to set up his own assassination attempt would certainly make a hell of a lot of sense if he's somehow connected to the Night King and wanted to throw everyone off the scent.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
After tonight it appears they are suggesting Littlefinger set the whole thing up and provided to dagger to frame Tyrion.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
There seems to be a lot to wrap up with only 6 episodes left. I figure Theon will save Yara in episode 1 or 2. We will see the first battle against the Night King in episode 2. The living wins in episode 4 and 2 episodes for the war over the iron throne.
All six episodes are an hour and a half long. I read the CGI is going to be on the level of major Hollywood movies.
Yep. It's going to be great. It sucks there are only 6 episodes, but at least they're all feature length. I can't wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
Those of you that are reading the books like WMD
Is Danny now pregnant for the start of next season by ( JON / SNOW - STARK - TARGAYON )
When do Jon and everybody else find out his real family tree.
I loved the way they set up and did away with "littlefinger", his reaction to getting butt-<17>was epic.
Nope. She's still in Essos and Jon is 'dead'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Offshore Dawg
The show is ahead of the books by probably a good bit now. The books will probably wrap up about 5 years after the show is over if we are that lucky. GRRM has postponed the release of the book for about 3 years straight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Offshore Dawg
It was awesome. That was my favorite scene from last night although the dragon blowing up the wall was also badass. It was just perfect that he thought he manipulated Sansa into turning on her sister like he did Lysa. He didn't know what to say when Bran told him that he knew how it went down with Ned. It was the first time he actually looked panicked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Offshore Dawg
So much happened last night that I will have to rewatch it. Jamie finally sees that Cersi is just as Mad as the Mad King. He finally found his balls and left to go do something that matters. Interesting that the brothers both basically faced their fears of Cersi killing them but some sliver of hope allowed them to leave alive.
Not a lot happened with Jon and Dany except Dany getting a ticket to the bone train. Dany did find out that Jon is noble and honorable to a fault. I really don't think Jon being the rightful heir will matter to him at all. As far as he is concerned, he already pledged to Dany. Of course it doesn't matter if they end up married or dead.
Bran is finally doing something that matters. He helped bring down Littlefinger and figure out Jon's lineage. I wonder if we see Meera next season or if she was basically written off. After dragging his ass around for a season, she deserved a better send off.
Sansa and Arya played Littlefinger perfectly. Nice to see that work out. It will be interesting to see their reaction to Jon being their cousin instead of brother. Sansa always treated him bad because Caitlyn thought he was Ned's bastard. She already apologized for being a bitch to him but will she now think that she is the true Stark heir?
Tormund and Bedric didn't die on the falling wall. I think they will have a long trek along the top of the wall until they reach another Castle on the wall.
The Hound pretty much declared the CleganeBowl throwdown is going to happen. He is going to kill the undead Mountain and it will be awesome. He has become one of my favorite characters along with Bronn and Tormund.
I expect the first episode next year will be build up to the first battle. There is no way that the War that matters will be over in less than 2 or 3 episodes. Then it will be Cersi trying to eliminate who is left to decide who sits on the Iron Throne. I saw someone already thinks that Dany got pregnant and ends up dying in childbirth. Then Jon dies fighting the Night King and their child ends up on the Iron Throne with Tyrion being Hand of the King. I read GRRM said the ending would be bittersweet so I could see that being the ending.
Glad you asked. See below.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
GRRM = Mud
The leaked script had Cersi waking up in bloody sheets with a miscarriage before the scene of the Night King fubaring the Wall. I don't remember seeing that at all in last night's episode.
Exciting finale. And I like the longer format. If all six episodes next season are that long, I expect they'll all be equally grand in scale. (Though I still question their ability to wrap everything up in only six installments.)
Littlefinger's death was very satisfying, and I'm glad the remaining Stark kids at Winterfell ended up on the same side of the table, working together to avenge a person who had so wronged their family. I didn't always like the way they unpacked that story line -- it's not like Sansa and Arya were putting on a show for Littlefinger when they were bickering and threatening each other behind closed doors in private, and their out-of-character impulses and vacillations between pettiness and cunning were frustrating -- but the end result was good.
I'm also glad that Bran seemed to show at least a glimpse or two of humanity in the finale. I'm not sure how you square his purported omniscience and his lack of knowledge about Jon's legitimacy, but whatever. I hope he gets to do something substantial with his warging next season beyond occupying a murder of crows.
Even the Start-but-not-Stark Theon got a little redemption, which was nice to see. The "Do it for Yara!" moment was cheesy, but it gives him a shot to play a larger role next season. If Euron has Yara with him as he's sailing to Essos, could Theon and a freed Yara do something to screw up Cersei's plan for the mercenaries she's hired? (I guess they could sidestep that by putting Yara in a prison cell in the Iron Islands, though I'm not sure how much sense that'd make.)
The aunt-on-nephew action at the end was set up all season long, but was no less funky. If they can get to Winterfell in one piece -- something I'm not sure of given that the Wall's down and the army of the dead on is on the go -- they're in for a massive, massive bummer.
Jamie appears to have cemented his series-long transformation. Incestuous, attempted-murderer of Bran Stark to level-headed realist who takes honor and rightness at least semi-seriously. I'm interested to see where he's headed. I've got to assume he's going to try to hitch his wagon to Brienne and head north. (And maybe try to get Bronn to tag along?) Even with Brienne vouching for him, I imagine he's going to get an icy reception from the Sansa-Arya-Bran side. I wonder if we get to see a massive gathering of all the remaining central characters -- pretty much everyone by the Greyjoys and Cersei and her goons -- in Winterfell.
Anyone else wondering what Dorne's doing in all this? The royal family is gone, I guess, but that's still one of the main regions in Westeros, presumably with an able army and decent-sized population. I found it odd that it didn't send its army to rescue its queen, or at the very least try to avenge her death. (Or do y'all think that it was implied that the Dornish army was aboard Yara and Theon's ships when Euron attacked? The scene was set up as though Yara and Theon had just left Dragonstone, so my assumption has always been that it was just Ironborn-on-Ironborn action in that battle.)
On a related note, what about all the other families and regions? Lots of ruling families are either fractured or dead, but the Tullys are still kicking, as are the Reeds. And I know there are other families in other regions that have been at least referred to in the show that should be interested in playing some kind of role going forward, no?
Oh, and one last thing -- Cersei's pregnancy. I feel like something's awry here. Her whispers with Qyburn just before telling Jamie the news makes me think that either he's not the dad or that there's more to it than a normal pregnancy. Plus, she uses it as a tool to her advantage with Tyrion in setting up her lie about fighting alongside the others against the Night King (though I'd guess she'd do that even if it was on the up and up). But then, maybe it's legit and maybe it's end via miscarriage will break what little sanity she's got left, which would in turn set up the circumstances leading to her eventual death.
I believe in the books the Prince of Dorne had a sister that had some big chunks of scenes but they gave a lot of those to Ellaria Sand after The Red Viper met his end. I bet they introduce her next season. She probably musters the Dornish army to King's Landing to battle the Golden Company.
Yep, I even saw a review talking about it and I told my wife we would have to rewatch it because maybe we missed it somehow.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
I think they cut her out entirely of the show. I mentioned that to my wife that Dorne is basically eliminated from the show. When they killed the Prince's son there is no way they would have let his sister live if she was on the show. The show writers butchered that whole storyline from the books. They probably get some kind of mention next season with just being people coming to fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
Haven't seen it mentioned here but did anybody see the jealousy on Tyrion's face when he realized that Snow was in there laying the pipe to Dany? Interested how he feels about that and what he may do when it's time to choose between Lannisters and Targaryens again.
Also, how did Ned not tell Catelyn about who Jon really was? Snow's presence caused all sorts of strife in the stark household early on as said by Cat
I am not sure if Tyrion was jealous or if he just thought it wasn't a good idea. The people in the North might not be as accepting if they think Jon is just mesmerized by the poon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dallas_Dawg
As honorable as Ned was, it was Lyanna's dying wish that he never tell anyone. With all the little birds who could eavesdrop even in Winterfell, Ned wouldn't risk Jon's life just so he could tell Cat. He probably thought that Jon joining the Night's Watch was the only chance he had of living. Aemon Targaryan already lived at the wall so Robert at least left them alone. It was why Ned said he would tell Jon about his mother the next time he saw him when he would be a brother of the Night's watch.