Cannizaro?????

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Braves used to use Glavine as PH and Maddux and Smoltz as Pinch Runners regularly.

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Shit! Maddux used to be one of the best, if not the best hitting pitcher in the NL... He could hit a bomb off you in a heart beat!

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Braves used to use Glavine as PH and Maddux and Smoltz as Pinch Runners regularly.

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Braves also have a farm system to call upon in the event of injuries, who we gonna call.

I've come to the conclusion that we have a lot of female politicians that are going through menopause posting to this site!! There is simply no other explanation for amount of double talk or hormonal imbalance seen from the same posters day in and day out.

One day Cann is the best coach, then the next he sucks because he PH using a couple of pitchers. For the love of all that is holy, it was one game in a long season with a lot of ball left to play. While this is his first season, I do think he has earned the ability to manage the team and subsequently the ability to do as he pleases in regards to personnel.

My only saving grace is that there seems to be a general consensus among everyone that Hev still sucks at recruiting. If he ever leaves and we lose that commonality, we're doomed!!!!

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Originally Posted by msstate7

We quit. That did happen.

Comparing MLB to this just dumb though... how many times you seen an MLB team PH their best starter and closer with 2 hitters on the bench?

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Agreed, we quit, plain and simple. Not acceptable.

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Originally Posted by Dawgpatrol

Agreed, we quit, plain and simple. Not acceptable.

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And Cann addressed it! Where have you morons missed that?!?

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Originally Posted by Dawgpatrol

heck even the USA fans were pissed, some didn't feel like they got to see our real team and felt their victory was watered down. Embarrassment to the university, the team and to the fans.

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First off, f*ck USA and what they think. That is completely irrelevant and doesn't even deserved to be mentioned. As a matter of fact, I want the opposing team be pissed. But, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that USA wasn't pissed, they will probably take the win just like we would if we could.

Second, an embarrassment to the university, the team, and the fans?... No. Lose a game to them in football and its embarrassing to the university, team, and the fans. Last night might have sucked, but we'll get over it.

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Originally Posted by Dawgpatrol

Ok so now I am ignorant. If that makes us win then by all means let the pitchers hit then. Something tells me there is a reason their mostly pitching and not hitting on a regular basis. And based on our record and tied for 2nd in the SEC I would say we have been winning. I understand your point but we will have to agree to disagree. Team has no wiggle room for another unnecessary injury if they can avoid it, especially to our Friday night guy. Unless he gets hit by a meteor of course ha ha! Then we all have bigger fish to fry.

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We didn't have the wiggle room to throw Cyr and Marrero off the team either. I don't see people regularly bitching about that. Canny felt he needed to lose depth to get the team where he wanted it. Maybe he thought it was important to show that he was willing to let the guys who want it the most to play. We don't know what would happen if he didn't sit people down. I will say that after we wrapped up the USCe series, on Sunday we looked like shit against their worst starter. Then we turned around and looked like shit against South Alabama. Canny has shown he doesn't put up with shitty effort but sometimes players have to be reminded. He can do whatever he wants in practice but it doesn't carry the same weight as doing it in a game.

Not only did Cann address the situation with the players, NO ONE GOT HURT!

Stop the madness and move on!

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Originally Posted by I seen it dawg

And Cann addressed it! Where have you morons missed that?!?

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Didn't miss it, coach quit on the team in the 7th inning by sending 4 pitchers to the plate in a 3 run game with 3 team swings left, I think this team has proven they don't give up with multiple comeback wins and righting the ship after the Arkansas sweep. Look I really hope and think Cannizarro wins many many games and championships here but last night was a coach throwing his team under the bus, on and off the field.It would be more understandable if they were 5-25 or last place in the SEC but that's not the case.

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Originally Posted by Dawgpatrol

Didn't miss it, coach quit on the team in the 7th inning by sending 4 pitchers to the plate in a 3 run game with 3 team swings left, I think this team has proven they don't give up with multiple comeback wins and righting the ship after the Arkansas sweep. Look I really hope and think Cannizarro wins many many games and championships here but last night was a coach throwing his team under the bus, on and off the field.It would be more understandable if they were 5-25 or last place in the SEC but that's not the case.

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See that 11 by ur post count.. let's keep it right there..

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Originally Posted by TNDawg35

Shit! Maddux used to be one of the best, if not the best hitting pitcher in the NL... He could hit a bomb off you in a heart beat!

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Then why didn't he hit on his non pitching days as well? Other players were better hitters overall, that's why.

Coach, I'm not going to class today. As a matter of fact, I'm staying in bed. Scared if I get up I might twist an ankle.

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

We didn't have the wiggle room to throw Cyr and Marrero off the team either. I don't see people regularly bitching about that. Canny felt he needed to lose depth to get the team where he wanted it. Maybe he thought it was important to show that he was willing to let the guys who want it the most to play. We don't know what would happen if he didn't sit people down. I will say that after we wrapped up the USCe series, on Sunday we looked like shit against their worst starter. Then we turned around and looked like shit against South Alabama. Canny has shown he doesn't put up with shitty effort but sometimes players have to be reminded. He can do whatever he wants in practice but it doesn't carry the same weight as doing it in a game.

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Their worst starter will go in the top 50 of the MLB draft along with their Friday and Saturday starter. We took 2 out of 3 from them at their place and was in a 1-1 tie with them in the 8th inning on Sunday.

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Originally Posted by Dawgpatrol

Didn't miss it, coach quit on the team in the 7th inning by sending 4 pitchers to the plate in a 3 run game with 3 team swings left, I think this team has proven they don't give up with multiple comeback wins and righting the ship after the Arkansas sweep. Look I really hope and think Cannizarro wins many many games and championships here but last night was a coach throwing his team under the bus, on and off the field.It would be more understandable if they were 5-25 or last place in the SEC but that's not the case.

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I guess he quit on the season when he kicked off our starting catcher and probable Saturday starter. Marrero was also supposed to be one of the better hitters on the team. I don't know what your issue is but I think everything Canny has done to this point gives him some leeway. The fact is that he thought he needed to do something drastic to get the team's focus back to where it should be. We didn't look like a team that would win another series on Sunday and Tuesday. Unless you are at every practice and team meeting then I doubt you know everything that Canny is taking into consideration.

It's a damn shame we can't pinch hit for Dawgpatrol. He needs to sit. One of you guys take a chance on a pulling a hammy and take over this thing.

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Originally Posted by Percho

Coach, I'm not going to class today. As a matter of fact, I'm staying in bed. Scared if I get up I might twist an ankle.

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Got nothing to do with twisted ankles everything to do with your Friday night guy getting plunked on the hand and breaking finger/s in an at bat for no apparent benefit. No need to take that risk for no benefit. You say it can't happen, ask our 2nd baseman how his hand is doing.

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

See that 11 by ur post count.. let's keep it right there..

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He didn't listen Ari as he is at 13 now. I wonder if 13 is an unlucky number?

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

I guess he quit on the season when he kicked off our starting catcher and probable Saturday starter. Marrero was also supposed to be one of the better hitters on the team. I don't know what your issue is but I think everything Canny has done to this point gives him some leeway. The fact is that he thought he needed to do something drastic to get the team's focus back to where it should be. We didn't look like a team that would win another series on Sunday and Tuesday. Unless you are at every practice and team meeting then I doubt you know everything that Canny is taking into consideration.

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Never said he quit on the season, said he quit on the team in that game last night. Never said he is bad coach, said he is learning to be a head coach and for the sake of the dawgs, I hope a really really good one.

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Originally Posted by Dawgpatrol

Never said he quit on the season, said he quit on the team in that game last night. Never said he is bad coach, said he is learning to be a head coach and for the sake of the dawgs, I hope a really really good one.

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You also said, there wasn't a lack of effort except.... Just stop. You made your point. Not very well, but it's been heard or seen...maybe.

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Originally Posted by Dawgpatrol

Ok, I never post anything (normally just get on board to find info about our baseball team, scores etc) but after that debacle last night by our head baseball coach I could'nt just sit back and not question a whole lot of decisions on his part. First off, why in the world would you put 4 pitchers in a batters box to get potentially injured when the staff is already devastated with injury. Much less your Friday night starter and your closer, I wonder what our judgement of his coaching ability would be like this morning had Pilkington taken a pitch off his hand and broke a couple of fingers,. Bar none one of the dumbest coaching decisions I have ever witnessed by a head coach at such a high level of baseball. And please don't say probably won't happen, I was at the game and watched Spencer bust his rear end trying to round 1st, one mistep from pulling hammy etc.
Secondly, It was embarrassing watching our head coach give up on a game in the 7th inning down only 3-0, especially with this team, you know the one that has proven over the course of this year that they will play to the end and have many and multiple comeback wins under their belt. And don't say he didn't throw in the towel, when you pull the crap he did last night in the 7th inning with 3 more team at bats awaiting and putting in pitchers to hit with Gordon and lovelady not in the game. As a coach and player you are taught to never ever give up and play every out till the end, our coach sent a message tonight alright, he told his team I will give up on you and I will throw your butt under the bus on media as well. Great message to a team that is in second place in the best conference in baseball with only 22 players or so healthy.
Third: he may or may not be a great coach, only time will tell but he is getting way to much credit for what has been done so far, last time I checked players play and coaches mostly watch, I haven't seen any coach pitch or hit this year, the players have. In the words of legendary coach Bobby Cox when asked how many games a coach influences throughout a year, he said about 3, the other 159 are up to the players.
I attended the game last night and I can assure you there was no lack of hustle or effort on the players part as a whole, had one incident where player did not run after 3rd strike. Plus coach owes it to the fan base to put a competitive team and players in correct positions. Some people that live on the coast only get to see their team play once a year and they got cheated last night by their head coach conceeding a game. heck even the USA fans were pissed, some didn't feel like they got to see our real team and felt their victory was watered down. Embarrassment to the university, the team and to the fans.
I realize he is a 1st year head coach and all and I hope he can learn from his mistakes but was truly a sh$t show by a coach last night!!!!

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Well you just joined this month. So I doubt you would have a 100+ posts. So coaching doesn't matter? Where do you think our team would be after the ARK sweep, if Cann had not taken the actions he did. Probably sitting at the bottom of the SEC? And the job that Cann and Henderson have done with a decimated pitching staff is remarkable. And midweek loses do happen. ask Fl or any other major college baseball school. If Cann needs to do something to keep the train from jumping off the track, I'm all for it.

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Originally Posted by Dawgpatrol

Never said he quit on the season, said he quit on the team in that game last night. Never said he is bad coach, said he is learning to be a head coach and for the sake of the dawgs, I hope a really really good one.

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What he did kicking off Cyr and Marrero should be a lot more impactful to the season than letting a couple of pitchers bat. Jolly has pitch ran and McQuary pinch hit earlier in the year so it isn't like this was the first time he ever did anything like this. Do I think letting Pilk pinch hit is the smartest thing, no but I also don't know all the ins and outs of the team. You never can tell who might have a nagging injury that he is letting rest. In our run to the National Title game most people thought Cohen was a dumbass for not letting Trey Porter hit more. After the season we find out he had some issue with his eyes and it was hard for him to pick up the ball. So most people don't know the whole story.

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Originally Posted by Dawgpatrol

You say it can't happen, ask our 2nd baseman how his hand is doing.

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I think this is the point people are making "It Didn't Happen". Could have happened? Sure but it didn't so there's no need to keep belaboring a point that didn't happen.

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Originally Posted by Dawgpatrol

Never said he quit on the season, said he quit on the team in that game last night. Never said he is bad coach, said he is learning to be a head coach and for the sake of the dawgs, I hope a really really good one.

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Are you a member of our baseball team? Well, if not then how do you know if he quit on the team last night. If you weren't in that dugout, you have no clue of what happened other than what you saw on the field.

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

What he did kicking off Cyr and Marrero should be a lot more impactful to the season than letting a couple of pitchers bat. Jolly has pitch ran and McQuary pinch hit earlier in the year so it isn't like this was the first time he ever did anything like this. Do I think letting Pilk pinch hit is the smartest thing, no but I also don't know all the ins and outs of the team. You never can tell who might have a nagging injury that he is letting rest. In our run to the National Title game most people thought Cohen was a dumbass for not letting Trey Porter hit more. After the season we find out he had some issue with his eyes and it was hard for him to pick up the ball. So most people don't know the whole story.

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I still think it was suspending Mangum that had the most impact. Apparently Cyr was a douchebag based on what I have heard and getting rid of him may have helped from that standpoint because it probably made things more pleasant. But suspending your All-American CF for a rivalry game in Jackson I think got his point across more than anything.

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

Are you a member of our baseball team? Well, if not then how do you know if he quit on the team last night. If you weren't in that dugout, you have no clue of what happened other than what you saw on the field.

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Precisely, it's what happened on the field that told me he quit on the game and threw in the towel in the 7th inning of the game down 3-0. Who takes out their leadoff hitter and reigning SEC freshmen of the year who hit over .400 last year and hitting over .350ish this year and inserts a pitcher pinch hitter along with 3 other pitchers who haven't had any or many at bats this year. And don't tell me because of leadoff hitters hand, if that the case then why did he play at all, not to mention other hitters with pitchers and hitters hitting below the Mendoza line. If the score was 10-0 or 15-0. Then maybe you throw in the towel but at 3-0 no way. I get the fact he wanted to make a point or whatever but at the end of the day games are played to be won at this level, not motivate, motivation can come at practice or elsewhere

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Originally Posted by Dawgpatrol

Ok so now I am ignorant. If that makes us win then by all means let the pitchers hit then. Something tells me there is a reason their mostly pitching and not hitting on a regular basis. And based on our record and tied for 2nd in the SEC I would say we have been winning. I understand your point but we will have to agree to disagree. Team has no wiggle room for another unnecessary injury if they can avoid it, especially to our Friday night guy. Unless he gets hit by a meteor of course ha ha! Then we all have bigger fish to fry.

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And they wouldn't have hit if we had other position players to hit for them. Shit the pitchers had almost as many hits as the regulars. That in and of itself should tell you why you are wrong when some of them are taking better AB's than the position players.

Your opinion is misplaced at Cann. HE'S the only one that didn't give up. You should be pissed off at the team for their unacceptable effort. Sorry you lost 10 bucks having to watch that- but at least point your finger at the real culprits and it's not the baseball coach in this case. As a fan I expect a certain level of effort from our players and clearly we didn't get that from the position players but Cann is doing something about it and that's all I can reasonably expect and ask for.

If Pilkington had gotten hurt- I'd probably be pissed off at whoever he had to pinch hit for forcing Cann to put him in the game. I'm sure that genius thought never crossed your mind.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Braves used to use Glavine as PH and Maddux and Smoltz as Pinch Runners regularly.

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I remember that. But hey- what does Bobby Cox know? I'm sure the Braves had someone just as good as those guys at AAA**.

Is anyone else getting the feeling either Dawgpatrol is a player or a players parent?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I remember that. But hey- what does Bobby Cox know? I'm sure the Braves had someone just as good as those guys at AAA**.

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Cox went and got the best defensive CF the game has seen mid-inning for lack of effort. Cox didn't put glavine in CF though... I think you can make your point and still actually try to win the game

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Originally Posted by TNDawg35

Is anyone else getting the feeling either Dawgpatrol is a player or a players parent?

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Nope, way to old to be a player and way to sterile to be a parent.

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Originally Posted by Dawgpatrol

Precisely, it's what happened on the field that told me he quit on the game and threw in the towel in the 7th inning of the game down 3-0. Who takes out their leadoff hitter and reigning SEC freshmen of the year who hit over .400 last year and hitting over .350ish this year and inserts a pitcher pinch hitter along with 3 other pitchers who haven't had any or many at bats this year. And don't tell me because of leadoff hitters hand, if that the case then why did he play at all, not to mention other hitters with pitchers and hitters hitting below the Mendoza line. If the score was 10-0 or 15-0. Then maybe you throw in the towel but at 3-0 no way. I get the fact he wanted to make a point or whatever but at the end of the day games are played to be won at this level, not motivate, motivation can come at practice or elsewhere

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I have no problem with conceding that loss last night in the 7th if it motivates our guys to go 9-6 in sec play from here out. Cann is thinking big picture.

Some times people get cocky and need to be put in their place.

I didn't get to listen to much of the game but from looking at the box score it looks like Cannizaro should have gone to the pitchers earlier at the plate.
Barlow walked, Jolley got on by error and scored, and Price got 1/3 of our hits. I would say that pretty much shows a lack of effort by most of our team when three pitchers produce more at the plate than our every day starters.
Coach Cannizaro is trying to win a national championship, not a midweek game in April.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Cox went and got the best defensive CF the game has seen mid-inning for lack of effort. Cox didn't put glavine in CF though... I think you can make your point and still actually try to win the game

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What if Canny thought the guys he put in were giving the effort in practice and had the focus in the dugout, that is the thing none of us know unless you are at practice and the games.

None of us know whats going on in that dugout or on the practice field. Heck he could've challenged his guys in the dugout last night and they didn't respond the way he wanted. Been in the same position, challenge a player and he doesn't compete like you want so you sit his butt and you keep running people out there until you find someone who will. Appears that's what happened last night. Cannizaro, Henderson and the rest of the staff are the reason this season hasn't fallen apart. I think I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and trust his judgement on doing what's best for the team, seeing as how he's the only one who knows the whole picture.

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Originally Posted by Dawgpatrol

Precisely, it's what happened on the field that told me he quit on the game and threw in the towel in the 7th inning of the game down 3-0. Who takes out their leadoff hitter and reigning SEC freshmen of the year who hit over .400 last year and hitting over .350ish this year and inserts a pitcher pinch hitter along with 3 other pitchers who haven't had any or many at bats this year. And don't tell me because of leadoff hitters hand, if that the case then why did he play at all, not to mention other hitters with pitchers and hitters hitting below the Mendoza line. If the score was 10-0 or 15-0. Then maybe you throw in the towel but at 3-0 no way. I get the fact he wanted to make a point or whatever but at the end of the day games are played to be won at this level, not motivate, motivation can come at practice or elsewhere

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So if he got on them in practice on Monday and then they still were unfocused during the game, he should wait to do something about it until the next practice? Some guys won't take it seriously unless their are real repercussions like losing game time. You don't know what he did before trying to motivate them. I seriously doubt he just decided the first time someone didn't run out of the batters box to pull them. He obviously was seeing a trend he didn't like and decided to fix it before the back half of SEC play.

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

Got to send a message at times to teams that struggle to buy in at times.

He kicked Cyr and Marrero to the curb and we won 10 of 11 games after that. Some of these guys have to learn what it takes to be a D-1 baseball player

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It seems like we have bought in. Thus the 10 out of 11. You are going to have off nights every now and then in baseball. I'm not sure batting the whole pitching staff is the right way to handle it, but whatever.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

None of us know whats going on in that dugout or on the practice field. Heck he could've challenged his guys in the dugout last night and they didn't respond the way he wanted. Been in the same position, challenge a player and he doesn't compete like you want so you sit his butt and you keep running people out there until you find someone who will. Appears that's what happened last night. Cannizaro, Henderson and the rest of the staff are the reason this season hasn't fallen apart. I think I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and trust his judgement on doing what's best for the team, seeing as how he's the only one who knows the whole picture.

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This is more than likely the correct answer. I doubt Canny just randomly chose to send out our Ace to hit just for shits and giggles. There has been meltdowns on this and other boards over things like Trey Porter not playing every day and then after the season you learn they are battling an injury. Dak not running as much was another one and then we find out they kept quiet his broken ribs from a car accident. Most of the coaches at this level aren't total morons.

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

This is more than likely the correct answer. I doubt Canny just randomly chose to send out our Ace to hit just for shits and giggles. There has been meltdowns on this and other boards over things like Trey Porter not playing every day and then after the season you learn they are battling an injury. Dak not running as much was another one and then we find out they kept quiet his broken ribs from a car accident. Most of the coaches at this level aren't total morons.

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Exactly! I can guarantee that no one wants to win worse than Cann! The dude is a competitor and a winner. He didn't do what he did just for laughs.

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Originally Posted by Coldsleeve Jr.

If sacrificing a midweek loss to send a message that makes us win more midweek games the rest of the year, the loss is worth it.

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That kind of sophomoric move can go more than one way. Maybe it does spark the team but it may also result in breaking the momentum this team has developed the last few weeks and sending us into a tail spin. I think it was the wrong decision on Cann's part but the remainder of the season will have the final say.