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After our jumpers meeting with msstate7 I have missed what's going on here. What's with the minor issue?

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

The NCAA actually could be liable if someone decides to seek civil damages for a crime. The NCAA has a bad habit of telling people they're not allowed to discuss the contents of a meeting with anyone else. Problem is, 1) that's a blatant 1st amendment violation; 2) they have absolutely ZERO legal authority to that (or over anything for that matter), and 3) they could potentially be telling people to not report crimes.

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Hack, I'm no lawyer, but are you sure about that? We're talking about voluntary membership in an organization with membership rules. It's not as if the NCAA is threatening anything more than expulsion from the "club" if you don't obey the membership rules you agreed to when you joined.

And I doubt very seriously they are prohibiting people from reporting crimes. I suspect their "gag order" only pertains to discussing the case as it relates to rules violations that aren't also actual crimes. Also, is there a rule against schools discussing, or is it only the NCAA that has rules about their side discussing? If there is something in place for schools and/or witnesses, is it actually a rule, or just something "frowned upon"?

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Originally Posted by blacklistedbully

Hack, I'm no lawyer, but are you sure about that? We're talking about voluntary membership in an organization with membership rules. It's not as if the NCAA is threatening anything more than expulsion from the "club" if you don't obey the membership rules you agreed to when you joined.

And I doubt very seriously they are prohibiting people from reporting crimes. I suspect their "gag order" only pertains to discussing the case as it relates to rules violations that aren't also actual crimes. Also, is there a rule against schools discussing, or is it only the NCAA that has rules about their side discussing? If there is something in place for schools and/or witnesses, is it actually a rule, or just something "frowned upon"?

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I don't know what/if the SEC or NCAA has a gag order on certain information but IF they do and IF it something that is illegal or criminal then it is a crime. It's called collusion. If a person or organization is involved in that then they can be charged for the same activity in which they are seeking to cover up or deceive and receive the same punishment resultant of that crime. As a hypothetical example: IF someone were providing prostitutes to a minor and real evidence was uncovered to confirm this and it WASN'T reported to law enforcement then that would probably fall under collusion.

On the other:

If it was reported it would become a criminal case and any investigation by an outside party into the case would probably be frowned upon by the investigating law enforcement agency.

food for thought.

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

Mimi's Babies should set up an interview with a national journalist like Fox Sports. Avoid Mississippi press and ESPN because they bury stories because they have OM ties.

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I know someone that could get her in touch with Forde, Andy Staples, Pete Thamel, etc simply by sending a text. Could be interesting...

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

I don't know what/if the SEC or NCAA has a gag order on certain information but IF they do and IF it something that is illegal or criminal then it is a crime. It's called collusion. If a person or organization is involved in that then they can be charged for the same activity in which they are seeking to cover up or deceive and receive the same punishment resultant of that crime. As a hypothetical example: IF someone were providing prostitutes to a minor and real evidence was uncovered to confirm this and it WASN'T reported to law enforcement then that would probably fall under collusion.

On the other:

If it was reported it would become a criminal case and any investigation by an outside party into the case would probably be frowned upon by the investigating law enforcement agency.

food for thought.

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Thx for the response, but that's assuming the NCAA is telling people they can't report crimes to appropriate authorities. I'm suggesting I doubt that is the case. I think, if there is a "gag rule" it only applies to what is leaked outside of law enforcement and/or only pertains to NCAA rules violations that aren't also criminal in nature.

I do not believe the NCAA is telling anyone they can't report a potential crime to law enforcement.

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Originally Posted by blacklistedbully

Thx for the response, but that's assuming the NCAA is telling people they can't report crimes to appropriate authorities. I'm suggesting I doubt that is the case. I think, if there is a "gag rule" it only applies to what is leaked outside of law enforcement and/or only pertains to NCAA rules violations that aren't also criminal in nature.

I do not believe the NCAA is telling anyone they can't report a potential crime to law enforcement.

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I agree. I don't think they would either. That would lead to the whole thing being taken down. That being said....if a parent or guardian knows it's taking place and DOESN'T report it then they could be charged as an accomplice (among other things).

Didn't the NCAA prove that Louisville basketball had a COACH setting up hookers for recruits and players for 5 years? I don't remember any criminal charges coming from that, and I think their penalty was just a 1 yr NCAA ban and 1 scholarship per year for 2 years. I assumed at first this was about taking recruits to strip clubs, which I'd bet a lot of programs do.

All this is fun to read and it's entertaining to think about the rumors and their potential possibilities, but I still think we're going to be disappointed if we're expecting a "scorched earth" conclusion which seems to be the consensus on here.

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Originally Posted by whatever

Didn't the NCAA prove that Louisville basketball had a COACH setting up hookers for recruits and players for 5 years? I don't remember any criminal charges coming from that, and I think their penalty was just a 1 yr NCAA ban and 1 scholarship per year for 2 years. I assumed at first this was about taking recruits to strip clubs, which I'd bet a lot of programs do.

All this is fun to read and it's entertaining to think about the rumors and their potential possibilities, but I still think we're going to be disappointed if we're expecting a "scorched earth" conclusion which seems to be the consensus on here.

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Just PM Mimi and have her call into Finbaum. Captain Falashio will learn the truth about Da Rev.

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

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This came out quicker than I thought......

No to wait on the written copy...... and to see the NAMES......

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Originally Posted by blacklistedbully

Because he believes Freeze invited him into the "inner-sanctum". It's an ego trip for PF. Hugh tells him they are close buddies...confidants, and PF eats it up. PF going to look mighty foolish when the truth comes out.

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Did Finebaum know that the video would be released this PM????? HUM.......

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Originally Posted by Activated Alpha

After our jumpers meeting with msstate7 I have missed what's going on here. What's with the minor issue?

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Haha

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Originally Posted by rbdog82

I know someone that could get her in touch with Forde, Andy Staples, Pete Thamel, etc simply by sending a text. Could be interesting...

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I have sent emails.... NO one was interested at that time.... might be different NOW....

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Originally Posted by Acid mouth

I'd like to think that what you know will come out in the 2nd NOA and allow you to remain anonymous. Should you feel the need to voice something specific, I'd highly reccomend sending a PM to one of the admins (Hack, ISID, RP, or Cadaver). As far as your meeting with Hey Hue, I hope you get it. He should be held accountable.

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What I want to say to Freeze is NOT for anyone's ears but the 2 of us.... I promise that I will NOT be cleaned mouthed for sure... FOR HIS COACHES to subject CHILDREN to PROSTITUTES.... is beyond my comprehension as these guys as STILL children and under the age of 21....... To promise a child something $$$$$$$$$$$$'s.... and for a Dad to "sell" his son's soul to OM...... oh my....

Don't stop.

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Originally Posted by tireddawg

I agree. I'm still not sure that it will all be in the 2nd NOA. Do you think it makes it in there? Like I said unprecedented. It's just so hard for me to see Freeze keeping his job after hearing what I've heard. You touched on it & I'll confirm the minor(s) issue. Wow.

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Freeze looked really BAD this pm..... I would suggest that he start looking for another position... and NOT in football....
I believe that Freeze and the rest of the bunch are still in shock..... for what they CLAIM they did not know was going on...... hehe... LOIC.... is just the icing on TOP of the cake.....

There could possibly be ANOTHER NOA for the Recruiting Violations that occurred from August 2015 until February 2016..... because some KNOW that the NCAA was still investigating issues from signing day, February 2016, in December 2016.

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Originally Posted by rbdog82

I know someone that could get her in touch with Forde, Andy Staples, Pete Thamel, etc simply by sending a text. Could be interesting...

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Fox has OM ties too in the person of Shepard Smith. Not sure exactly what the relationship of Fox News and Fox Sports is though.

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Originally Posted by Mimi's Babies

This came out quicker than I thought......

No to wait on the written copy...... and to see the NAMES......

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The players' names will be redacted, but not the coaches'.

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Originally Posted by tireddawg

I don't see how Freeze keeps his job. From what I've been told, it's about to get worse than you guys can imagine. Unprecedented shit. Hope it all comes out.

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Wait for it... wait for it...... It is coming.... Would be a GREAT Mother's day present.... or even a Father's day present.....

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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

The players' names will be redacted, but not the coaches'.

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I know several of the players..... want to see the HIGH SCHOOL Coaches that are involved..... and ALL of the Alums at OM

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Originally Posted by whatever

Didn't the NCAA prove that Louisville basketball had a COACH setting up hookers for recruits and players for 5 years? I don't remember any criminal charges coming from that, and I think their penalty was just a 1 yr NCAA ban and 1 scholarship per year for 2 years. I assumed at first this was about taking recruits to strip clubs, which I'd bet a lot of programs do.

All this is fun to read and it's entertaining to think about the rumors and their potential possibilities, but I still think we're going to be disappointed if we're expecting a "scorched earth" conclusion which seems to be the consensus on here.

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Legal AGE is different in EVERY STATE.... In Mississippi it is 21... To bring a hooker across the state line is a whole different issue.... I asked this question and was given this answer by a law enforcement officer (retired).

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Originally Posted by whatever

Didn't the NCAA prove that Louisville basketball had a COACH setting up hookers for recruits and players for 5 years? I don't remember any criminal charges coming from that, and I think their penalty was just a 1 yr NCAA ban and 1 scholarship per year for 2 years. I assumed at first this was about taking recruits to strip clubs, which I'd bet a lot of programs do.

All this is fun to read and it's entertaining to think about the rumors and their potential possibilities, but I still think we're going to be disappointed if we're expecting a "scorched earth" conclusion which seems to be the consensus on here.

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IF OM is not held accountable this Mother wants to know WHY???????

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Originally Posted by Mimi's Babies

I have sent emails.... NO one was interested at that time.... might be different NOW....

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I'm almost certain you could find someone with quite a following that's interested after today.

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Originally Posted by blacklistedbully

Hack, I'm no lawyer, but are you sure about that? We're talking about voluntary membership in an organization with membership rules. It's not as if the NCAA is threatening anything more than expulsion from the "club" if you don't obey the membership rules you agreed to when you joined.

And I doubt very seriously they are prohibiting people from reporting crimes. I suspect their "gag order" only pertains to discussing the case as it relates to rules violations that aren't also actual crimes. Also, is there a rule against schools discussing, or is it only the NCAA that has rules about their side discussing? If there is something in place for schools and/or witnesses, is it actually a rule, or just something "frowned upon"?

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You're absolutely right. There's no way that the NCAA could be held liable for something OM does.

Wasn't this "lady/mom" on here earlier today making some statements? And then all HADES broke loose this afternoon?
I think we have a l got person in some form of " THE KNOW" knowledge-wise pertaining to this ordeal. I'd pay attention to what they say 😁👍

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

Noa not bad. More incriminating to state than OM and no Tunsil stuff. You can't make this stuff up guys. He did mention Haley Sewell being mentioned. I used to think Neal was prob there most credible guy.

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and make that a double

We need a Bump Thread .. holy shit at the content ..
The Shitbird Bumps

I guess the only remaining question is Will MSU survive the penalties expected next month from the COI?

Bump because it feels so good to know that Ole Miss fans will read this little blast from the past.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

They have CONSISTENTLY made this mistake. For 3+ years. They've been wrong at every turn. Surprised at every turn. Lied at every turn. It's absolutely amazing that anyone, even die hard ole miss fans, would give one shred of credibility to anything any of their propagandist are spewing at this point.

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Fun bump. Theyve been consistent. That's for sure.

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Originally Posted by AlmostPositive

I guess the only remaining question is Will MSU survive the penalties expected next month from the COI?

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It could be December. I don't have any inside information but that's my guess as to when it will be released.

Rumored that the NCAA will hold the COI until after the Egg bowl.

Damn, Kneel defended himself like crazy on twitter last night. He mad.

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Originally Posted by JDog13

Damn, Kneel defended himself like crazy on twitter last night. He mad.

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This lawsuit should put an end to his "not a fan" shtick. He needs to own up to the fact that he is what he is. And that's not a legitimate journalist.

Bump for rueness. So funny to go back down shit bird memory lane on all this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q46ZiLa3Xqs

Rueing.....

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Originally Posted by blacklistedbully

Hack, I'm no lawyer, but are you sure about that? We're talking about voluntary membership in an organization with membership rules. It's not as if the NCAA is threatening anything more than expulsion from the "club" if you don't obey the membership rules you agreed to when you joined.

And I doubt very seriously they are prohibiting people from reporting crimes. I suspect their "gag order" only pertains to discussing the case as it relates to rules violations that aren't also actual crimes. Also, is there a rule against schools discussing, or is it only the NCAA that has rules about their side discussing? If there is something in place for schools and/or witnesses, is it actually a rule, or just something "frowned upon"?

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If the NCAA had knowledge of sex trafficking for underage kids and demanded people not discuss it in accordance with their gag order, they'd potentially be opening themselves up to a civil suit should anyone involved be charged in a criminal case.

I actually think there's a significant chance the FBI probe into basketball ends up looking into the NCAA as the governing body of college basketball. They turned a blind eye to bribery despite knowing what was going on. And they did this because he true blue bloods of college basketball are their biggest money makers. Most of the NCAA budget comes from the NCAA basketball tournament. When they ban Kentucky, Lousivlle, UNC, Duke, or others it hurst their annual budget. That, in my opinion, is why you see them go after major football programs like USC, Ohio State, Bama, Miami, etc... while never seeing U.K. or Duke serving a postseason suspension. Hell, another blue blood basketball program skated today. I understand their rationale for that though.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

If the NCAA had knowledge of sex trafficking for underage kids and demanded people not discuss it in accordance with their gag order, they'd potentially be opening themselves up to a civil suit should anyone involved be charged in a criminal case.

I actually think there's a significant chance the FBI probe into basketball ends up looking into the NCAA as the governing body of college basketball. They turned a blind eye to bribery despite knowing what was going on. And they did this because he true blue bloods of college basketball are their biggest money makers. Most of the NCAA budget comes from the NCAA basketball tournament. When they ban Kentucky, Lousivlle, UNC, Duke, or others it hurst their annual budget. That, in my opinion, is why you see them go after major football programs like USC, Ohio State, Bama, Miami, etc... while never seeing U.K. or Duke serving a postseason suspension. Hell, another blue blood basketball program skated today. I understand their rationale for that though.

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The NCAA has no jurisdiction over any thing sexual trafficking... All the NCAA could do, would be to turn over to the FBI any information the NCAA could have/did have knowledge of concerning illegal activities. Bribery, federal racketeering both would have to be investigated by the FBI.