Rosebowl gets political...

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

Its become obvious that OM didnt believe that the NCAA was going to find these types of allegations. They thought they were above all this. They, along with their legal team, are developing the best plan they can think of to fight all this. The amended NOA had to be an eye-opener for them. You yourself have stated that their sole mission was to protect Freeze and they were All-In on it- what do they do now that that policy has no chance of surviving? Do you act quickly or do you spend time crafting a strategy for the best way out?

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I kept thinking somebody at the top of the University could intervene, whether for show or actually action notwithstanding, and clean house on their athletic department. That might have kept this from exceeding USC level sanctions. No way that can happen now. The only strategy they can debate is how they justify their lies to a soon angry alum/fan base/state of Mississippi.

Wasn't there some smoke early on in this investigation about some funds via pell grants or student loans funneling from the Track team to the football players??? Maybe someone rolled on that scam too?

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If this is the case, wouldn't this be an FBI investigation, rather than an NCAA?

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Aw Horse Cum, the FBI is too busy trying to find the Tunsil "Leaker"

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Originally Posted by Spiderman

This is what I don't get.

If they have a letter and it's "catastrophic" how is Hugh not fired? What do they gain by not firing him now if they know it's so bad? If they think they will have to later, why not now, not only to hope it lessens the penalties, but also to have a coach take over before spring ball.

This is what concerns me, if all being said here is to be believed, how is Hugh still employed?

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Good question. He's costing them around $13,700 per calendar day in salary alone. That's about what it costs for one in-state student to attend school for a year.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Wasn't there some smoke early on in this investigation about some funds via pell grants or student loans funneling from the Track team to the football players??? Maybe someone rolled on that scam too?

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Yep, I remember that. If true they are royally screwed.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Wasn't there some smoke early on in this investigation about some funds via pell grants or student loans funneling from the Track team to the football players??? Maybe someone rolled on that scam too?

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It all comes full circle. They were telling us all along like the Sixth Sense it's WBB and Track.

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

Well, Spiderbear, they are probably trying to find a replacement before they fire the Rev. Then let him step down gracefully... with his buyout and his mouth shut.

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Ain't nobody gonna take that job not knowing what's coming.

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

It all comes full circle. They were telling us all along like the Sixth Sense it's WBB and Track.

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And just like Bruce Willis, Hugh Freeze doesn't know he's dead.

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Originally Posted by Dawgowar

I kept thinking somebody at the top of the University could intervene, whether for show or actually action notwithstanding, and clean house on their athletic department. That might have kept this from exceeding USC level sanctions. No way that can happen now. The only strategy they can debate is how they justify their lies to a soon angry alum/fan base/state of Mississippi.

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This kind of gets back to Devious' post about Musgrove (in the Huffington Post) defending Dan Jones. When the Network officially took over and had Jones ousted, that arguably removed the largest obstacle in the path of the Network. You reap what you sow, and the time to pay the piper is fast approaching.

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Originally Posted by Dawgowar

I kept thinking somebody at the top of the University could intervene, whether for show or actually action notwithstanding, and clean house on their athletic department. That might have kept this from exceeding USC level sanctions. No way that can happen now. The only strategy they can debate is how they justify their lies to a soon angry alum/fan base/state of Mississippi.

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Makes you wonder if Dan Jones was runnoft for not toting water for the right parties.

ETA - It was 23 months ago when he was pushed out.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

And just like Bruce Willis, Hugh Freeze doesn't know he's dead.

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And a death penalty

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

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And a death penalty

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Now this ^^^^ is something I can support!!!

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Originally Posted by DancingRabbit

Makes you wonder if Dan Jones was runnoft for not toting water for the right parties.

ETA - It was 23 months ago when he was pushed out.

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Stupid ass plantation southern arrogance. Must be in their DNA. Oxford is Tokyo and the Second NOA is Godzilla poking his head up in the bay. About to be some serious lizard action stomping their asses.

Freeze is probably going to be forced to resign "fired" the day the response to the second NOA is released. They'll try to lump all the bad news on one day. If they fire him now, they'll have to go through two bouts of bad publicity, and with the bears, public image is the most important.

"I would have gotten away with it too, if not for that meddling Rosebowl"

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(stolen from twitter)

Hindsight is 20/20 l, but they should have run him off after the Egg Bowl. At least they would have had some cover.
On another note, I wonder how many Ole Miss fans come here to get their news about the investigation? Click..... No, too easy.

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Originally Posted by Dawgowar

Stupid ass plantation southern arrogance. Must be in their DNA. Oxford is Tokyo and the Second NOA is Godzilla poking his head up in the bay. About to be some serious lizard action stomping their asses.

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Weird analogy, but I like it.

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Originally Posted by DancingRabbit

"I would have gotten away with it too, if not for that meddling Rosebowl"

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(stolen from twitter)

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Check out the thread titled Hugh Freeze say. I believe you'll recognize where this started.

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Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg34

Check out the thread titled Hugh Freeze say. I believe you'll recognize where this started.

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It came full circle in record time. http://www.elitedawgs.com/showthread...ugh-Freeze-say

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Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg34

Check out the thread titled Hugh Freeze say. I believe you'll recognize where this started.

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Ha. Yeah, just saw that. Missed it by that much.

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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

Well ... maybe some of us. I think it's pretty much an atrocity.

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You are in the minority.

I think the only reason they haven't let Freeze go at this point is their own greed. They are trying to get the previous classes of players stuck through spring training and into the summer before they find out how bad it is. Thus sticking those kids with hard decisions to make and fewer options at that time. Basically trying to get more bang for their buck. They lied when they signed, and I'm sure they've tried pushing some us vs the world agenda.
Freeze was a hired puppet, with that "gollee bill" persona to try to pass off the Network's agenda. He was a dead man walking when he was hired.

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Originally Posted by Natedogg33

I think the only reason they haven't let Freeze go at this point is their own greed. They are trying to get the previous classes of players stuck through spring training and into the summer before they find out how bad it is. Thus sticking those kids with hard decisions to make and fewer options at that time. Basically trying to get more bang for their buck. They lied when they signed, and I'm sure they've tried pushing some us vs the world agenda.
Freeze was a hired puppet, with that "gollee bill" persona to try to pass off the Network's agenda. He was a dead man walking when he was hired.

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I think the backup plan was to try and stockpile as many 4 and 5 star players they could for as many recruiting cycles they could. They were trying to outlast the sanctions and still have some talent. That's a fart in the wind now. That football program is about to be nuked from orbit. They will be lucky to be relevant in college FB 20 years from now.

If there are fraud charges against OM or people surrounding their program that would likely provide depositions and more cover for the NCAA to go ahead and fully nuke their program. I hope the SEC votes to kick them out as well.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

I think the backup plan was to try and stockpile as many 4 and 5 star players they could for as many recruiting cycles they could. They were trying to outlast the sanctions and still have some talent. That's a fart in the wind now. That football program is about to be nuked from orbit. They will be lucky to be relevant in college FB 20 years from now.

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They are about to become the University of Kansas - football program. If there are legal avenues to be dealt with, those will evolve after the sanctions are announced. The effect of that process on top of the sanctions will stretch their being viewed as dirty even longer. Hard to recover in the SEC when every decent recruit sees you as a risk.

Why are some people surprised that they haven't fired Freeze yet? The penalties haven't come down yet and their whole mantra right now is it's not going to be that bad. It's hard to sell that to recruits when you fire the coach before the sanctions are announced.

On top of that if the timeline for this is correct and I have no reason to believe it isn't I fully expect Ole Miss to appeal the sanctions once they are handed down in August. I imagine that process would get him through this season albeit with a huge cloud over their head. Someone correct me if I'm wrong about that- I'm not a NCAA expert.

Plus who is going to take that job if they fire Freeze now with the penalties an unknown? Besides Bobby Hall?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Why are some people surprised that they haven't fired Freeze yet? The penalties haven't come down yet and their whole mantra right now is it's not going to be that bad. It's hard to sell that to recruits when you fire the coach before the sanctions are announced.

On top of that if the timeline for this is correct and I have no reason to believe it isn't I fully expect Ole Miss to appeal the sanctions once they are handed down in August. I imagine that process would get him through this season albeit with a huge cloud over their head. Someone correct me if I'm wrong about that- I'm not a NCAA expert.

Plus who is going to take that job if they fire Freeze now with the penalties an unknown? Besides Bobby Hall?

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for the Mississippi job

I think they just want to finish the academic/athletic years and the hurricane hits this summer.

They think bad news will hurt BB attendance and its about all they got now. Also, they want to get as many butts in seats at the gay-ass Grove Bowl..collect their $$$

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Originally Posted by Indndawg

for the Mississippi job

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While I agree 100% about Bobby, Will was nothing like his daddy. He may have changed but Will used to be the total opposite of him.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

And just like Bruce Willis, Hugh Freeze doesn't know he's dead.

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Originally Posted by Spiderman

This is what I don't get.

If they have a letter and it's "catastrophic" how is Hugh not fired? What do they gain by not firing him now if they know it's so bad? If they think they will have to later, why not now, not only to hope it lessens the penalties, but also to have a coach take over before spring ball.

This is what concerns me, if all being said here is to be believed, how is Hugh still employed?

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To the rescuuuuuueeeee!!!!

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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

Well ... maybe some of us. I think it's pretty much an atrocity.

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I have thought this all along....along with changing “dogs” to “dawgs”....

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

You are in the minority.

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I think its an atrocity as well.....along with the 'woo damn right'....

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Originally Posted by DeviousDawg34

It?s a classic tale of money and greed and corruption, and the firing of Dr. Daniel W. Jones was only the first act"
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Me thinks Musgrove knows something... anyone notice how weird it is that a article titled "Something Rotten in Oxford(Mississippi)" has a headline photo with Musgrove and Keenum standing behind a Mississippi State backdrop?

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Thats Dan Jones with Keenum not Musgrove.

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Originally Posted by Spiderman

Ain't nobody gonna take that job not knowing what's coming.

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You realize you just answered your own question.

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Originally Posted by Dawgowar

They are about to become the University of Kansas - football program. If there are legal avenues to be dealt with, those will evolve after the sanctions are announced. The effect of that process on top of the sanctions will stretch their being viewed as dirty even longer. Hard to recover in the SEC when every decent recruit sees you as a risk.

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I can see this happening big time.

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Originally Posted by lastmajordog

I have thought this all along....along with changing “dogs” to “dawgs”....

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Yeah, I agree with that too. It's just too much trouble to change it after all this time.

just remember the man who was one of 1st Pioneer's of the Internet (Netscape) and has an educational fund named after him based in Oxford... and also remember when They got rid of the old Chancellor... the Head of Institution of Higher Learning... up and quit... and went to Nebraska.... and all the issues @ UMC..... Lots of other things involved in this case..