Time will tell. I think Cohen will do good things, have not a clue bout baseball coach except my Lsu buddies think it's a home run hire if true. They know more bout him as a coach than say......All the negative posters on him.
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Time will tell. I think Cohen will do good things, have not a clue bout baseball coach except my Lsu buddies think it's a home run hire if true. They know more bout him as a coach than say......All the negative posters on him.
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Originally Posted by preachermatt83
Holy moly. Rando, you believe this guy just said this?
Listen, I get the frustration here about why we just aren't going out and getting a proven coach, but throw that in the trash can and trust us here. Very Dan McDonald type hire
Corbin isn't coming, Virginia just announced a 12.5 million facility upgrade so OConner isn't coming. McDowell, Sloshnagle, or any big name coaches aren't coming either. Tadlock at Texas Tech may be viable, but I'd take the LSU assistant over someone like Butch. We are not a destination place for coaches. We are the proving ground for up and coming assistants or the last chance hotel for established guys out of work looking for one last chance. Sorry if that hurts folks feelings but that's who we are.
Just talked to some folks, there's a hint that Alan Dunn might be coming with Cannizzaro if this all works out.
Even if there wasn't interest from top level guys in November, we would always have the option to just go ahead and name Cohen AD but set his start date to begin July 1st, 2017, and let Weatherbee serve as interim until then while Cohen remains coach for one more baseball season. Cohen could gradually transition some items to his responsibility between now and February and then take the full reins next summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Backspin
Or, we could hire a seasoned AD and leave Cohen where he's at. Either way, next year's baseball team is not looking very promising so I don't think it really matters if Cohen hangs around for a farewell tour.
Everything about this whole situation just screams half-ass.
I was wanting a more experienced hc but after talking to some of our recruits they are excited at the possibility of Cannizzaro and perhaps Dunn too
This exactly. We are making two half-ass, very risky hires. At least one should be a proven candidate but neither are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgtini
If Cohen is the next AD then who better to hire the next baseball coach? Does anyone really think Cohen would just hire some loser to replace himself? Cohen is smart enough to understand that if he screws up this one (especially this one) then he's basically f'd himself for his entire career as the AD. I seriously doubt Cohen would hire this guy unless he's 100% sure it's a homerun.
I'm fine with Cohen to AD, I'm fine with the LSU guy as the next coach, I'm pissed at the way Keenum botched the entire CL announcement.
It was f*cking amateur hour.
If he thinks a guy with 2 years experience as an assistant is a HR hire then he has no business as an AD. I believe he thinks he is hiring a sharp young hot assistant with potential to be a great coach. But that is not a HR hire.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstatelp1
But again all of that is irrelevant. If the process had been allowed to go through properly and these were the choices, fine. I can stand behind that a lot easier. But the process was tainted and agendas pushed through devious and underhanded means. False support generated by misinformation. That is the problem. Hopefully things are corrected and the ones behind this get handcuffed in the future. They are not trustworthy to have this kind of influence in the athletic department.
If it is Cannizarro it would be the first head baseball coach that we have hired without any previous experience since 1975. Polk was a fairly big name when we hired him back in 1976- led Georgia Southern to a regional and was a top assistant at Miami. McMahon was a desired coach when we brought him back as evidenced by the fact that Florida paid a ton to get him. We had a chance to hire Augie Garrido in 1991 and Paul Manieri in 2001. Cohen was a big name coach as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobcat91
Take that shit somewhere else.
Yeah I think he got the wrong sport, Todd. We can draw a fine baseball coach, I've just heard Cohen really likes Cannizzaro and if we get Dunn too could be really good. I'm still up in the air in the whole thing been very strange.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Just glad guys like you have zero input into this hire. Love the info you bring, but you are dead wrong on this. We have never hired big name in the prime of their career guys. It has always been up and comers or guys needing another chance. Since you are the know it all baseball guru, and in much better position to make a hire over Cohen, who is your guy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
All the guys you mentioned were before the new stratification of baseball scholarships that give some schools and states built in advantages over us. Name who you would hire, Todd?
How do you know that? Why do you even think that?Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
See, your not trusting me here. I'm asking you to trust meQuote:
Originally Posted by preachermatt83
So exactly how was the process tainted? I've heard this stuff over and over during this search but everyone that mentions it is too chickenshit to provide names or details.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
The administration didn't botch anything mr/ms Ladner, Cuevas or Necaise or is it Halliday. They ambushed by a younger crowd and had to bow to pressure from old money. This entire thing has been a fustercluck pretty much from the beginning.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
Way to logical of a thought for this board today. Take that crap somewhere else **Quote:
Originally Posted by msstatelp1
This guy gets it. If you think we were going to just hire Corbin or O'Conner because we are MSU really don't have a clue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thick
Well, the last time we were looking for a baseball coach I said we should hire Cohen years before we actually did and I'd say that worked out pretty good. I'm glad they didn't ask for your input because we wouldn't have what we do now- which is by far our strongest sport. I also said that Polk II would set us back ten years and it did. I said that on Genespage in 2001. When we hired Cohen, Polk I, and McMahon they were all in the prime of their careers. We could have had Garrido and Manieri in the primes of their careers as well. In fact saying those things at the time and them turning out to be correct plus knowing a lot about the high school baseball scene and our recruiting is what has built my "Internet reputation" more than anything- and don't get me wrong I enjoy talking about MSU sports and baseball more than anything so it is what it is whether you like what I bring or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobcat91
Again I said- we haven't hired an up and comer since 1975 and yet you are sticking with "it has always been up and comers" when it clearly hasn't for over 40 years. Please. You're denying facts- Polk absolutely was a big name in 1976 when we hired him. McMahon was a big name when we brought him back. Polk II even was a big name after leading UGA to Omaha. Cohen was considered by most to be the top young coach in the country along with Dan McDonnell and was a big name. And we hired Cohen AFTER TOPS and etc had been around for years. Same with Polk II.
If you ask me who I would hire, I'd go after Greg Goff from Alabama and I would have no problems kicking the tires on Corbin and O'Connor either. I already detailed in a post last week what it would take to get them- and I would absolutely be willing to pay them 2 million to come here. We may not get those two but I could get them to listen at the very least.
And yet we're about to hire a guy from LSU. Think about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobcat91
Plus, you have no clue what Cohen has been doing since he has gotten here to offset that advantage legally. You can look at our team GPA and figure it out for yourself. And if you think that is going to stop with Cohen as AD- I highly doubt it. In fact I could see Cannizarro saying "John, there is the kid from California that is an elite pitcher that wants to go to college and he likes what we have to offer. Can you find us some leadership scholarship money to help us out?" I wouldn't be shocked at all if our recruiting got even better than it is now. And I'm being serious when I say that.
Oh, they would easily command 2 million and be worth it. It would almost be the college baseball version of what Alabama did with Saban to a lesser degree. The highest paid coach in the SEC is Manieri who makes 750K and then around a million including bonuses and etc. for reference.Quote:
Originally Posted by RezDog7
I know it's against the rules to go there, but has the CL announced who our new baseball coach is yet? They seem to have gotten the AD choice correct a week or two ago? ( Kind of Kidding!)
Not officially, but I feel pretty confident based on the rumors I am hearing and who I am getting them from that it will be Andy Cannizarro. I'll put it at 95%. I think it will be an interesting dynamic because we'll see how much say Cohen has in the day to day operations with the baseball team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
If Sid Salter sends me a nastygram, I'll let everyone know.
Now that we have a new AD, we could use some improvements in our PR department also.
Is in the business and you are not. He will let you handle telling us who great pastors are, so leave it to him on baseball.Quote:
Originally Posted by preachermatt83
So I'm to assume the old money wanted Cohen. What did the younger croud want and how did they ambush Keenum or whoever?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
Sorry it should be "whomever" I think. Or maybe whatever at this point!!