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09-20-2016, 01:43 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless

Bs he said no at first and Mark told him it was either him or ray.

So Keenum told Stricklin that if he didn't fire Ray, it would be Stricklin, NOT Ray, that would be gone?

So if Keenum fired Stricklin, he would have kept Ray? All because Stricklin wouldn't fire Ray?

You need a new source.
09-20-2016, 01:46 PM
starkvegasdawg

So far I've seen this reported on football scoop, SDS, and the CL. Have any non-TSUN sites reported this?
09-20-2016, 01:46 PM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by blacklistedbully

I can tell you from personal experience you are wrong. Professional men don't hurt their own company by making decisions just to harm a rival, but they absolutely do sometimes make a move that helps their company while also sticking it to a rival.

In a lot of business decisions there are multiple moves a company can make. There are multiple factors that are considered in most of those cases. If you don't think a business decision can be at least a little influenced by how a decision-maker feels about a competitor, rival or someone they dislike, then you are naive.

Well, I shouldn't have sounded so short with my response. I apologize. I am a professional in a leadership position. I would never let anything like this factor into a decision I am making. I might smile about it and have a good laugh, but then I would question my own motive before making the decision. I just don't think it's happening.
09-20-2016, 01:48 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg34

So far I've seen this reported on football scoop, SDS, and the CL. Have any non-TSUN sites reported this?

Pat Forde, Brent McMurphy
09-20-2016, 01:53 PM
RocketDawg

Haven't read any of the responses except what's on the 5th page ... but BR reported that Florida has offered him $1M, maybe as high as $1.4M. He's currently making in the neighborhood of $500K.

I couldn't blame him for taking an offer like that. But we should be able to counter pretty well since Dan won't be getting a raise this year. I suppose we'll find out soon enough.
09-20-2016, 01:54 PM
basedog

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Originally Posted by basedog

If our AD is so bad then why is Florida after him for $1.4 million?

I don't know if SS is good or bad but I do know we are in much better shape in all programs in my lifetime.

Bump
09-20-2016, 01:58 PM
Cowboydawg

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Originally Posted by basedog

If our AD is so bad then why is Florida after him for $1.4 million?

I don't know if SS is good or bad but I do know we are in much better shape in all programs in my lifetime.

I'm with you basedog. Why should we be excited about SS possibly leaving? Florida is willing to offer him nearly 3x what he is making now because they obviously believe he can take them to the next level.

But he is holding us down. If only there was some good things going on in our baseball program...oh wait I mean our basketball...wait wait...we are having a rebuilding year in football and he won't fire Dan immediately like some of our fans want.

We should definitely send him to Florida for $1.4 M so we can find someone better and pay them $500k******************************
09-20-2016, 01:58 PM
blacklistedbully

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

Well, I shouldn't have sounded so short with my response. I apologize. I am a professional in a leadership position. I would never let anything like this factor into a decision I am making. I might smile about it and have a good laugh, but then I would question my own motive before making the decision. I just don't think it's happening.

I am also a professional, and have created 2 companies from the ground-up. Please keep in mind I never suggested Foley came after Collins or Strick simply or even primarily because he dislikes Mullen, rather I have suggested it could have been a factor or an added bonus in favor of choosing one qualified candidate over another.

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Foley created a short list of qualified candidates, and all-things-being-equal, leaned toward Collins and/or Strick because, in addition to being qualified, they also brought the opportunity to stick-it to a man he personally dislikes (if reports are to be believed).

ETA - in my experience, often men who succeed in business have character flaws that may well contribute to their success. Sometimes a desire to crush a competitor or rival is useful, and can sometimes stem from a predisposition to, "take no prisoners", which can extend into personal life. Not all executives take the, "high road" and completely disregard their personal feelings. And sometimes that leads to poor decisions.
09-20-2016, 02:00 PM
preachermatt83

He gone
09-20-2016, 02:10 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

He gone

Glad to see you decided to stick around Scott
09-20-2016, 02:19 PM
preachermatt83

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Glad to see you decided to stick around Scott

Hahaha!!!
09-20-2016, 02:20 PM
Bothrops

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Originally Posted by EngDawg

Mullen to Toledo. Strick to Florida. Howland to UConn. Cohen to Miami.

^^This
09-20-2016, 02:21 PM
basedog

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Originally Posted by Cowboydawg

I'm with you basedog. Why should we be excited about SS possibly leaving? Florida is willing to offer him nearly 3x what he is making now because they obviously believe he can take them to the next level.

But he is holding us down. If only there was some good things going on in our baseball program...oh wait I mean our basketball...wait wait...we are having a rebuilding year in football and he won't fire Dan immediately like some of our fans want.

We should definitely send him to Florida for $1.4 M so we can find someone better and pay them $500k******************************

What about girls basketball? And this bullcrap about "well SS didn't hire so and so", so what, the AD isn't the final decision maker, he must be approved by his boss. And if SS is ok with "his boss" saying no to him, then he must be a good listener!

Damn, bring back the damn agenda, it makes for good laughter, but firing them all or clean house and wanting to get rid of Mullen after 6 straight bowls is just retarded.

Florida must be stupid, after all they have the highest athletic budget in the Sec and wanting a nobody like SS, and give him a huge raise.******
09-20-2016, 02:24 PM
dawgday166

nm
09-20-2016, 02:25 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by EngDawg

Mullen to Toledo. Strick to Florida. Howland to UConn. Cohen to Miami.

Toledo wouldn't hire Mullen. The rest are possibles ***
09-20-2016, 02:30 PM
LC Dawg

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Originally Posted by basedog

If our AD is so bad then why is Florida after him for $1.4 million?

I don't know if SS is good or bad but I do know we are in much better shape in all programs in my lifetime.

This is what I was thinking also. Florida is not a bunch of idiots. Their athletic teams win national championships. I don't think they are looking to hire an athletic director without doing their homework.
I'm not qualified, just like most of this board, to determine Stricklin's worth as an athletic director but I know he has done a lot of good things for Mississippi State. Everyone in every job makes mistakes. Take the Rick Ray hire out and look at what he's done. One thing ignored about the Ray hire is he also got rid of Stansbury which was not 100% popular and wasn't easy to do considering how long Stansbury had been at State. It's almost like people want to punish him because he hasn't hired a great football coach. He hasn't needed to. Stricklin is a great promoter of Mississippi State. He has marketed our brand in ways that athletic directors of other schools have not done. He has been out in front with ideas. I know it seems like a small thing but the hashtag in the end zone was ahead of its time. No one had thought of that and it caught NCAA people so off guard that they just banned it because they have never considered it being done. I don't know if Florida hiring Stricklin will be good or bad for us in the long run but I do know that he has been good for our school.
09-20-2016, 02:33 PM
RougeDawg

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Originally Posted by basedog

What about girls basketball? And this bullcrap about "well SS didn't hire so and so", so what, the AD isn't the final decision maker, he must be approved by his boss. And if SS is ok with "his boss" saying no to him, then he must be a good listener!

Damn, bring back the damn agenda, it makes for good laughter, but firing them all or clean house and wanting to get rid of Mullen after 6 straight bowls is just retarded.

Florida must be stupid, after all they have the highest athletic budget in the Sec and wanting a nobody like SS, and give him a huge raise.******

You are obviously missing the point so o will summarize. Under Byrne Dan was told what to do and was held accountable. Bring in Strick and Dan starts dictating Strick, ultimately leading to Dan being allowed to whore himself out over multiple seasons, neglect recruiting, keep his Yankee dick demeanor and not make the proper coaching staff changes. Fast forward to 2015/16 off season and Keenum had seen enough. Enough of Dan's shit and enough of Stricks lack of backbone. Keenum puts his foot down on Dan, and Strick to some extent. Dan is given NO extension and an ultimatum to meet or he will not get any extensions. Strick is also put on alert to force some changes. Then we have our first 3 games, coach in shorts and same coach only showing fire for 2 out of 12 quarters thus far. Based on 3 games, Mullen is far from reaching Keenum's ultimatum, andScott is getting out while he still has a little stock value. It's rather simple really, for those of you paying attention at home.
09-20-2016, 02:34 PM
sleepy dawg

We should fire him if he doesn't want to be here.****
09-20-2016, 02:36 PM
Gutter Cobreh

If he leaves, I'm blaming it on the way he handled the Simmons situation****
09-20-2016, 02:38 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

You are obviously missing the point so o will summarize. Under Byrne Dan was told what to do and was held accountable. Bring in Strick and Dan starts dictating Strick, ultimately leading to Dan being allowed to whore himself out over multiple seasons, neglect recruiting, keep his Yankee dick demeanor and not make the proper coaching staff changes. Fast forward to 2015/16 off season and Keenum had seen enough. Enough of Dan's shit and enough of Stricks lack of backbone. Keenum puts his foot down on Dan, and Strick to some extent. Dan is given NO extension and an ultimatum to meet or he will not get any extensions. Strick is also put on alert to force some changes. Then we have our first 3 games, coach in shorts and same coach only showing fire for 2 out of 12 quarters thus far. Based on 3 games, Mullen is far from reaching Keenum's ultimatum, andScott is getting out while he still has a little stock value. It's rather simple really, for those of you paying attention at home.

Not sure if you really have good intel but ... this would explain quite a lot I've been scratching my head about.
09-20-2016, 02:49 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

You are obviously missing the point so o will summarize. Under Byrne Dan was told what to do and was held accountable. Bring in Strick and Dan starts dictating Strick, ultimately leading to Dan being allowed to whore himself out over multiple seasons, neglect recruiting, keep his Yankee dick demeanor and not make the proper coaching staff changes. Fast forward to 2015/16 off season and Keenum had seen enough. Enough of Dan's shit and enough of Stricks lack of backbone. Keenum puts his foot down on Dan, and Strick to some extent. Dan is given NO extension and an ultimatum to meet or he will not get any extensions. Strick is also put on alert to force some changes. Then we have our first 3 games, coach in shorts and same coach only showing fire for 2 out of 12 quarters thus far. Based on 3 games, Mullen is far from reaching Keenum's ultimatum, andScott is getting out while he still has a little stock value. It's rather simple really, for those of you paying attention at home.

I've heard that Dan has been told that if he wins less than 5 games he will be fired. This is more about his low energy, complacency and his eagerness to job hunt at the absolute worst time (recruiting). I heard this from a long time booster yesterday but didn't want to post it until someone else kinda got close to it. It could be a scare tactic or incentive for Dan to show some fire and desire. Then again it could be complete bullshit. We'll see.
09-20-2016, 02:49 PM
gtowndawg

I'm not a big Scott fan, I admit it. So if he's gone, who is an up and comer we can go after?
09-20-2016, 02:53 PM
Cowboydawg

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

You are obviously missing the point so o will summarize. Under Byrne Dan was told what to do and was held accountable. Bring in Strick and Dan starts dictating Strick, ultimately leading to Dan being allowed to whore himself out over multiple seasons, neglect recruiting, keep his Yankee dick demeanor and not make the proper coaching staff changes. Fast forward to 2015/16 off season and Keenum had seen enough. Enough of Dan's shit and enough of Stricks lack of backbone. Keenum puts his foot down on Dan, and Strick to some extent. Dan is given NO extension and an ultimatum to meet or he will not get any extensions. Strick is also put on alert to force some changes. Then we have our first 3 games, coach in shorts and same coach only showing fire for 2 out of 12 quarters thus far. Based on 3 games, Mullen is far from reaching Keenum's ultimatum, andScott is getting out while he still has a little stock value. It's rather simple really, for those of you paying attention at home.

If you are going to fault SS for being run over by Mullen then you also need to fault Byrne for hiring Mullen in the first place. SS inherited Mullen while Byrne hired, built him into what he is and bailed.

Make no mistake. Dan Mullen holds the power in this situation. He makes nearly 10x what his boss makes and has an outrageous buyout. How much power does SS truly have? Do you think he can go in and fire Mullen and just tell the University to pony up?

He can threaten to fire him...yes. But Mullen is going to laugh in his face and say go for it. This is the monster that Byrne built, not SS. What SS can do is refuse to extend his contract...that is pretty much all. And guess what? Mullen doesn't care. He will take the remaining money due on his contract and then go elsewhere.
09-20-2016, 02:54 PM
louisvilledawg

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Originally Posted by gtowndawg

I'm not a big Scott fan, I admit it. So if he's gone, who is an up and comer we can go after?

Rhett Hobart lolz jkjkjk
09-20-2016, 02:55 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by gtowndawg

I'm not a big Scott fan, I admit it. So if he's gone, who is an up and comer we can go after?

Go the South Carolina path and hire polk**
09-20-2016, 03:00 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

You are obviously missing the point so o will summarize. Under Byrne Dan was told what to do and was held accountable. Bring in Strick and Dan starts dictating Strick, ultimately leading to Dan being allowed to whore himself out over multiple seasons, neglect recruiting, keep his Yankee dick demeanor and not make the proper coaching staff changes. Fast forward to 2015/16 off season and Keenum had seen enough. Enough of Dan's shit and enough of Stricks lack of backbone. Keenum puts his foot down on Dan, and Strick to some extent. Dan is given NO extension and an ultimatum to meet or he will not get any extensions. Strick is also put on alert to force some changes. Then we have our first 3 games, coach in shorts and same coach only showing fire for 2 out of 12 quarters thus far. Based on 3 games, Mullen is far from reaching Keenum's ultimatum, andScott is getting out while he still has a little stock value. It's rather simple really, for those of you paying attention at home.

No. You have some info from the negative booster side but a lot of that is false with how a lot of that has happened since 2013. Mark has had to cut the legs out of both sides because of negative impact some boosters were having and still trying. And he did it to the boosters as well. There is not anywhere near the contention between him and Strick you are alluding to.

Your last sentence that Scott is getting out while he had little stock value to market himself is as absurd and shows what little information you really have. It's freaking Florida coming at his twice with nearly triple salary. That's not little stock value and luckily landing up in job. Asinine thought process.
09-20-2016, 03:09 PM
Dawgface

If he can make triple he would crazy not to take it. Hell....I would go to OM if I could make triple. Well.....maybe not.
09-20-2016, 03:11 PM
HSVDawg

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Originally Posted by Joe Schmedlap

What's the going rate for a good athletic director? I thought Byrne had balls of steel. We were paying him less than half of what loafers is making. If UF is offering 1.4 million, maybe Strick should take it. I have a hard time justifying anything near that.

Well maybe that's one reason we had one AD poached by another Power 5 school and his replacement is currently being aggresively courted by another Power 5 school within the conference (in spite of his current school being his alma mater). Stricklin is a huge bargain compared to what they would have to pay the current AD at Texas, USC, or Ohio State to come to UF. We have got to pony up here. No way can we afford to start shuffling through athletic directors at the same frequency as we currently do with defensive coordinators.
09-20-2016, 03:14 PM
Interpolation_Dawg_EX

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Go the South Carolina path and hire polk**

I know you were joking, but wasn't part of Cohen's new deal an assistant AD title?
09-20-2016, 03:19 PM
basedog

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

You are obviously missing the point so o will summarize. Under Byrne Dan was told what to do and was held accountable. Bring in Strick and Dan starts dictating Strick, ultimately leading to Dan being allowed to whore himself out over multiple seasons, neglect recruiting, keep his Yankee dick demeanor and not make the proper coaching staff changes. Fast forward to 2015/16 off season and Keenum had seen enough. Enough of Dan's shit and enough of Stricks lack of backbone. Keenum puts his foot down on Dan, and Strick to some extent. Dan is given NO extension and an ultimatum to meet or he will not get any extensions. Strick is also put on alert to force some changes. Then we have our first 3 games, coach in shorts and same coach only showing fire for 2 out of 12 quarters thus far. Based on 3 games, Mullen is far from reaching Keenum's ultimatum, andScott is getting out while he still has a little stock value. It's rather simple really, for those of you paying attention at home.

Couple of things, Mullen has taken Msu to 6 straight bowl games, no way in hell did someone say if you don't win 5 games we will fire you. Now may be he was told he needs to show more passion for the job he has and if he wants out of his contract so be it. Mullen has earned to hire or fire who he wants up until now, when you start losing you evaluate the situation after the season, not during the season!

I'm not disagreeing in all what you say, Mullen has faults, some or the negative haters want ever be happen with him, so be it, but as for as winning he has done pretty well.

Any business man or head of a company knows it's better to try and work out things than to say let's get rid of them w/o seeing if one can change for the better. It's costly firing coaches and starting over, yes sometimes it's best but not for Msu and Mullen today.

I just hope we "slobber knock snot balls" out of UMass and others.
09-20-2016, 03:25 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by HSVDawg

Well maybe that's one reason we had one AD poached by another Power 5 school and his replacement is currently being aggresively courted by another Power 5 school within the conference (in spite of his current school being his alma mater). Stricklin is a huge bargain compared to what they would have to pay the current AD at Texas, USC, or Ohio State to come to UF. We have got to pony up here. No way can we afford to start shuffling through athletic directors at the same frequency as we currently do with defensive coordinators.

Hmmm. AD salaries are not like football. The elite AD's are around $1 MIL (the guy at Vandy doesn't count, his deal is very unique). But then you have like Bama and Auburn around $600,000. I think Moore has extra like $250,000 possible bonus though. Foley and Williams are the only ones over a $1 MIL in the SEC. So we are talking Scott being one of the top 5 AD's in the country in salary possibly with $1.4 MIL possible
09-20-2016, 03:31 PM
It_Could_Happen

IMO- Jay Jacobs is the best AD in the country, just thought I would throw that out there. I know many will disagree, just my opinion. Curious how much he makes.

Anyway, if any of you follow the Arky AD Jeff Long ( grew up in Arkansas, still follow him) he had a pretty interesting tweet about this. Didn't directly reference it, but everyone knew what it was about. Go check it out.

" A new opportunity is not always a better opportunity. Choose wisely grasshopper." That's what it said
09-20-2016, 03:43 PM
civildawg

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Originally Posted by louisvilledawg

Rhett Hobart lolz jkjkjk

I will never forgive him for tents for tickets.
09-20-2016, 03:44 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by It_Could_Happen

IMO- Jay Jacobs is the best AD in the country, just thought I would throw that out there. I know many will disagree, just my opinion. Curious how much he makes.

Anyway, if any of you follow the Arky AD Jeff Long ( grew up in Arkansas, still follow him) he had a pretty interesting tweet about this. Didn't directly reference it, but everyone knew what it was about. Go check it out.

" A new opportunity is not always a better opportunity. Choose wisely grasshopper." That's what it said

I think Jacobs makes $615,000. Long is a good AD, I'm not near as a big fan of Jacobs.
09-20-2016, 03:47 PM
TheRef

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Originally Posted by civildawg

I will never forgive him for tents for tickets.

Idea was great. Execution, not so much.
09-20-2016, 03:50 PM
It_Could_Happen

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

I think Jacobs makes $615,000. Long is a good AD, I'm not near as a big fan of Jacobs.

I like long as well. He has completely rejuvenated their brand.
09-20-2016, 03:53 PM
HSVDawg

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Hmmm. AD salaries are not like football. The elite AD's are around $1 MIL (the guy at Vandy doesn't count, his deal is very unique). But then you have like Bama and Auburn around $600,000. I think Moore has extra like $250,000 possible bonus though. Foley and Williams are the only ones over a $1 MIL in the SEC. So we are talking Scott being one of the top 5 AD's in the country in salary possibly with $1.4 MIL possible

I'm not saying we pay him $1.4 million, but we can't just pay bottom dollar because we're his alma mater and he shouldn't ever want to leave, either. I'd be willing to bet Strick's current salary is probably bottom 3 or 4 in the SEC. Considering the current state of the the department and that he was voted AD of the year, I'd say that is way too low.
09-20-2016, 03:54 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by It_Could_Happen

I like long as well. He has completely rejuvenated their brand.

Yep. Very smart guy and well respected.
09-20-2016, 03:57 PM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by civildawg

I will never forgive him for tents for tickets.

I don't know this story. What was it?
09-20-2016, 03:59 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by HSVDawg

I'm not saying we pay him $1.4 million, but we can't just pay bottom dollar because we're his alma mater and he shouldn't ever want to leave, either. I'd be willing to bet Strick's current salary is probably bottom 3 or 4 in the SEC. Considering the current state of the the department and that he was voted AD of the year, I'd say that is way too low.

Yep. Him and Bjork are dead last in the league, I believe. Just giving everyone the idea that it's not huge salary differences accross the landscape but that offer is almost Saban like in comparison. Byrne makes $600,000 for reference at Arizona.

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