DeShea has more experience. Mullen could have hired him. This is a crappy hire. But I'm not surprised. You can dig all you want but nothing qualifies him to be a DC in the SEC, nothing. I need some of you to find the diamonds in my sewage.
DeShea has more experience. Mullen could have hired him. This is a crappy hire. But I'm not surprised. You can dig all you want but nothing qualifies him to be a DC in the SEC, nothing. I need some of you to find the diamonds in my sewage.
So I'm guessing it's safe to say that you can be counted in the X's and O's camp instead of the recruiter camp***Quote:
Originally Posted by PendingTransaction
I was wondering the same thing. In that interview he said there running a 34 D. We have the talent to run that. Green could bring hell off the end from an OLB spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I don't see enough to deem this guy some super recruiter. Damn sure don't see anything that says he's a SEC West DC. I'm sure Saban will cancel his victory vacation to start getting prepared for this monster. Of all the coaches in this country, we are the only SEC team to hire a student. Typical Mullen bullshxt.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoseBrown
You are like literally in the 1% of fans that I have seen that hate this hire. Most everybody has been at least optimistic with some part of his resume if not very excited about him. Including many who have been researching him. The vast majority of the fan base is on board and the majority has been expressing that they think it's a great to fantastic hire. Part of the battle was won over some of the other candidates in that the majority is on board.Quote:
Originally Posted by PendingTransaction
I was being..you know, but at least he was part of the number 1 recruiting team last year, top 10 the year before and I've read an excellent recruiter the year at UT. On the other hand, only one game as "X's and o's" guy. But I see your point. That's fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by PendingTransaction
I like him because of his pedigree, quotes I've read about him being very energetic, fiery, smart, great recruiter and good LB coach. The rest I'll trust Mullen on, and evidently Oregon wanted him on their staff at some capacity. He's got a great deal of time, practices and scrimmages to learn Mullen's defense...
Oh and in all fairness I just saw Saban saying he had to get ready to hit the road running recruiting Thursday...****
I have no idea if Coach Hollywood will be great or a flop.
What I do know is the fear many I spoke to is we would have to settle or take a re-tread.
On the surface, it's the opposite. Sirmon is from a major P5 school, a recruiting coordinator, young and seemingly energetic. He is used to recruiting elite talent. Not to say he will reel them in at MSU but he brings a different perspective to the rest of the staff.
Most importantly the pitch he gives to any of the folks we put him on will be one that has worked on 4/5 stars before and most likely due to where he is coming from not the same ole song these guys have been hearing from everyone else. A fresh approach, if you will.
Being the Recruiting Coordinator at USC doesn't say anything to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by PendingTransaction
What did you see different from Hopson when you were championing him?Quote:
Damn sure don't see anything that says he's a SEC West DC.
Just curious and too damn lazy to look it up. Wondering if Urban Meyer in his HC career ever hired a guy for DC who had never been a DC before..or any other coordinator for that matter. After all, Urban was Dan's mentor.
He promoted Dan from QB coach to OC/QB coach. Addiazo had one year prior experience as OC at Indiana like 5 years before stayed OL coach but Myer promoted him after Dan left. He hired Teryl Austin as DC for his final year and he had never been a DC. DJ Durkin was a LB coach under Meyer then Muschamp then promoted to DC by Muschamp. His OC Brandon at Bowling Green had never been an OC. Luke Fickell had been a long time co-DC at OSU but he promoted him to full DC after Ash left for RutgersQuote:
Originally Posted by was21
My concern is that he has never called a defense before. that was my problem with Coach O, and I'm not going to gloss over it with this hire .
Look this could be a homerun hire, but nobody knows. He has no track record to go by. Collins and Diaz both had some record to look at it.
I'm going to give the guy a chance obviously, and I hope everyone else does too.
thx for reply...interesting
If I said anything perceived as "championing" Hopson, bet your life it was in jest.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
I agree with you. But I'm on board because I think he is a sharp young coach and I think Dan hires well. With him and TBuck I do honestly believe the recruiting will be better. The only game we know he has called is their bowl game in which they lost 23-21 to WI. It's one game and USCw held them to about their averages. Little lower than their scoring avg. They didn't shut them down but it's a bowl game. So I'm just going to be excited until there is a reason to think it was a mistake and get behind him and give him support to hit the ground running for signing day.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
I like up and coming coaches because their only way to head coaching is to succeed here. Re-treads can fall back on their prior experience and bail for a lateral move if things don't work out. Basically, I like the intensity it brings out in the coaches.
Look this guy could be the next Dick LeBeau. But no amount of maroon paint can make this hire look good to me. I think Mullen's reputation in the coaching circle, coupled with his desire to sound himself with beta males is the reason he couldn't/didn't hire a DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR!
Just relieved it's not Rhoads!!
My favorite was Allen until he wouldn't agree to those stipulations in the contract. If he doesn't want to agree there, then I agree we don't need him. So, "this is a crappy hire" and Sirmon hasn't even been on the field yet? Maybe you should say this is a crappy hire, based upon your opinion, knowledge and thinking as most don't agree with you. On your comment about Deshea, if Mullen thought he was ready to be a DC, I really think that Mullen would make that call. It appears that he does like to promote from within, when he can. Since this is such a crappy hire in your opinion, who would you hire if you were our coach?Quote:
Originally Posted by PendingTransaction
I don't understand any MSU fan that thinks that this is an obviously crappy hire without at least giving him a shot first.
The few videos I've Sirmon coaching are pretty good.
Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reason2succeed
Always hire employees that are passionate & hungry. The SEC West is a grind & we need coaches that are on their way up & not down.
Both could have the same talent, but the coach on the way up will give that little extra
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Originally Posted by confucius say
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Originally Posted by Todd4State
Because defense in the SEC West is not the place to "give it a shot." Could you please link video of this guy scheming and calling a defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
So it's fine to let guys be HCs in the sec with no previous experience, but not DCs?Quote:
Originally Posted by PendingTransaction
Apples to oranges. If you're talking about Mullen (and I know....6 straight bowls, greatest MSU coach ever), he had the experience of working for one of best coaches in the game. He learned a System for several years. He called plays. He experienced winning on the highest level. But we are still experiencing his growing pains.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Dj durkin had no experience, but muschamp hired him. 3 years later, he's Maryland's HCQuote:
Originally Posted by PendingTransaction
Didn't hurt Flordia winning national titles with a first time OC. Kirby Smart had one year experience at Valdosta St 6 years prior then was a position coach again until Saban named him DC. Muschamp also had one year exp at Valdosta St before Saban hired him at LSU. Jeremy Pruitt had never been a DC in college until FSU hired him for the 2013 season. That worked out. Bo Pelinni had never been a DC until NE hired him from the Packers as a LB coach. Saban had never been a DC until hired at MI State, he was a DB coach at Navy. These are no guarantees that he will be successful but many examples of guys who have jumped straight to DC at a Power 5 school and done well.Quote:
Originally Posted by PendingTransaction
beat me to it... I don't know, but our staff is shaping up to be a bunch of up and comers...Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
Man you worked hard on that. I'm convinced..."2* Mullen" has found the next Saban in a 1* DC. He really has y'all convinced that he is some Jedi genius. Hired a out of work coach who opened the bathroom door for him at the coaches convention. I bet y'all still believe he's never losing to the School Up North. Might be the next Pruitt??? The good thing is that the young coach gets to learn from the best defensive mind in Football, Dan Skywalker Mullen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Holiday BowlQuote:
Originally Posted by PendingTransaction
Damn, what a p*ssy.Quote:
Originally Posted by PendingTransaction
A "1* DC"?? Seriously, dude??
I mean...just... F* ck off with your bullshit.
You question his inexperience. Fine. But sh!tcanning the hire bc he wasn't your choice? And without any credence to the potential upside of the hire?
Are you a "fan" of MSU or not? The hire's been made. Voice your concern. But then quit being a vag and get on board.
Or shut the f*ck up
Either way
Too drunk on a Tuesday.Quote:
Originally Posted by PendingTransaction
This guy was going to be a power 5 DC somewhere this season.
Hell yes, brother. Quit being a bitch, Pending Transaction. WF '94 say Get your ass on board or get the **** out of the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by WF '94
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Originally Posted by PendingTransaction
I guess you could say it is apples to oranges because a HC would have more responsibilities than a DC., It is the same general principle because neither had experience in the particular job they are accepting. Was Buckley's hire acceptable, or do you see a problem there, too?
Maybe we just need to go back prior to the Dan Mullen era.*******
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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Good one CD.
You guys are right. He's OUR DC. Nothing I say or feel will change that. I really hope that we field a great defense. For the record, I'm no p***y. Hail State!
P.S., I'm not a bitch either.
I'm with you there, brotherQuote:
Originally Posted by PendingTransaction
Jumping on the excitement for the first time since the Belk
Time to close out some croots and get ready for the strongest QB competition in decades
If you didn't want an answer, you shouldn't have asked the question. And it took about 5 min to make sure I was right on a few facts. How good of a DC he is will play out on the field. He seems like a sharp and bright guy with high energy.Quote:
Originally Posted by PendingTransaction
Hail State. (And I was messing with u. Kind of.*)Quote:
Originally Posted by PendingTransaction