Dan Mullen: "I love the one that I have"

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Originally Posted by Coach34

No kidding. Guys like Barton Simmons, other writers at 247, the guy at SBNation, Feldman....it really sux what they are doing

Those guys are very plugged into college football and know that Mullen is paid well at State...so if they are putting his name out- they are hearing it from somewhere- otherwise- why in the hell would they pick Dan Mullen and not someone else???

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This times 1000.

Also, from what I hear, we tried to talk to his agent this week to work on an extension and was told to wait until end of season. That has been the biggest red flag to me.

Now, this could all just be posturing, my gut tells me it is, but make no mistake Mullen's agent is chumming the water.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

This times 1000.

Also, from what I hear, we tried to talk to his agent this week to work on an extension and was told to wait until end of season. That has been the biggest red flag to me.

Now, this could all just be posturing, my gut tells me it is, but make no mistake Mullen's agent is chumming the water.

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We waited until the end of the season last year before Dan signed an extension, it's not unusual

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

This times 1000.

Also, from what I hear, we tried to talk to his agent this week to work on an extension and was told to wait until end of season. That has been the biggest red flag to me.

Now, this could all just be posturing, my gut tells me it is, but make no mistake Mullen's agent is chumming the water.

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Go back and look at the history of Coach Mullen and the timing of his previous contract extensions and raises. Not a single one was worked out before National signing day. That s CDM's m.o., he negotiates late and signs late compared to the rest of the college coaching community. He has always been very non-plussed and seemingly unconcerned about that aspect of his job. Hell, Coach Mullen was seemingly very late in announcing Coach Diaz's return to DC. a lot of folks were bitching about the effect it might have on our recruiting class.
One thing is for sure, this thread and the similar ones have sure generated a lot of hits and traffic. Good job C34, way to generate some extra Christmas cash, good job!

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Originally Posted by PendingTransaction

OSU is more like 38th in asst. salaries. Luke Fickell just got to 700k in 2015. I'm not slandering anyone. Dan might be worth 6 mil to us, but he's not to elite programs.

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Got a link?

Last year their staff was ranked 8th. I don't find 2015 national numbers anywhere, but OSU's total assistant pay went up by nearly $500K in 2015 so I doubt they dropped from 8th to 38th.

For 2014 -

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But the Buckeyes' assistant coaches are actually the eighth-highest paid staff overall with a combined salary of $3,592,025 ? the highest in the Big Ten. Schools ahead of them on that list are LSU, Alabama, Clemson, Auburn, Oklahoma, Texas and UCLA.

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http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-s...eing-underpaid

It was mainly your Megan and Costco comment that rubbed me the wrong way.

PT got it right. Dan is worth more to us than he will be to any other program, and we'll likely decide to pay him. They're shaking the tree right now, just like they always do.

Dan competes and that translates from the football field to wanting to be one of the most respected coaches in the country. He's also consistently one of Sexton's hottest clients. This is what they do. They do it consistently. You'd think our fans would be used to this by now.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

He's also consistently one of Sexton's hottest clients. .

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Did he move from Rick Diamond?

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Originally Posted by DancingRabbit

Got a link?

Last year their staff was ranked 8th. I don't find 2015 national numbers anywhere, but OSU's total assistant pay went up by nearly $500K in 2015 so I doubt they dropped from 8th to 38th.

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http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-s...eing-underpaid

It was mainly your Megan and Costco comment that rubbed me the wrong way.

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Can you read? The article you linked states: "Ohio State's top paid assistant coach — co-defensive coordinator and linebackers coach Luke Fickell — comes in as just the No. 34 paid assistant on the list with a total salary of $600,000." He's their highest paid assistant. He was raised to 700k after winning the championship. Again, Dan, like Myers don't believe in paying assistants well. Myers paid Dan and crew poorly at Florida.

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Originally Posted by PendingTransaction

Can you read? The article you linked states: "Ohio State's top paid assistant coach — co-defensive coordinator and linebackers coach Luke Fickell — comes in as just the No. 34 paid assistant on the list with a total salary of $600,000." He's their highest paid assistant. He was raised to 700k after winning the championship. Again, Dan, like Myers don't believe in paying assistants well. Myers paid Dan and crew poorly at Florida.

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I can read fine. The overall assistant staff pay is ranked 8th.

You said "OSU is more like 38th in asst. salaries". That's not true. Either you lack comprehension skills or you are just trying to argue, rather poorly at that.

I do agree with one point you made earlier, that Dan is more valuable to State than he is to most other programs.

I would like to see our assistants paid well, but our athletic budget this last year was 4th lowest of all P5 schools. I think we did give Manny a good comp package and hopefully we can bump the other guys a little more this year, especially if we win the next two.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

PT got it right. Dan is worth more to us than he will be to any other program, and we'll likely decide to pay him. They're shaking the tree right now, just like they always do.

Dan competes and that translates from the football field to wanting to be one of the most respected coaches in the country. He's also consistently one of Sexton's hottest clients. This is what they do. They do it consistently. You'd think our fans would be used to this by now.

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It's really not that different than any other line of work. It's just that football coaches have agents.

I think this is happening in part because Dan thinks we are going to finish strong and if that happens he's trying to put himself in position to maximize his pay.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

It's really not that different than any other line of work. It's just that football coaches have agents.

I think this is happening in part because Dan thinks we are going to finish strong and if that happens he's trying to put himself in position to maximize his pay.

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That's very plausible. Other reasons could be gaining leverage to avoid conversations about Hev, making sure you get a raise and an extension before a transition year next season, trying to get your assistants a raise, etc...

People seem to forget this is a business.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

except that cigar boys have friends of other Universities that enlighten them to information that they wouldnt hear from their own side.

"George, this is Mike. Long time no see since you guys played over here in Athens. My good friend Thomas is a Maryland grad-and he told me this morning they were putting together a package for Dan Mullen to steal him away from you guys. I thought you guys were happy with him? Ya'll running him off?"

These things happen constantly...and I'm not saying he is going to Maryland...just an example of how word gets around

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Its a LOOOONNGG way from "we are getting a package together to try to get your coach " to " Dan wants out of starkville". Grasping for straws.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

PT got it right. Dan is worth more to us than he will be to any other program, and we'll likely decide to pay him. They're shaking the tree right now, just like they always do.

Dan competes and that translates from the football field to wanting to be one of the most respected coaches in the country. He's also consistently one of Sexton's hottest clients. This is what they do. They do it consistently. You'd think our fans would be used to this by now.

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I'm fine with giving him a raise as long as he keeps producing like he has, and he definitely needs to make more than Freeze who I think makes slightly more at the moment. My only concern is when it gets around the 5 mil mark that's dangerous territory. To me and many others 5mil means you better be making conference championship games and winning them sometimes. I think everyone at that level currently has that on their resume except Kevin Sumlin and Charlie Strong, and they are both on some hot seats at the moment. You don't want to negotiate for 5 mil and get yourself fired for doing so when you can't meet those expectations yet. Do I think Dan can meet those expectations, yes, but it is going to take some continued building and time. I think Dan is worth 5 mil to State because of all the attention he has brought to the program which has brought in $ to the athletic department and school itself, but you also have to produce 5 mil results with a 5 mil contract. We definitely need to increase pay to assistants and keep continuity among that group as long as they have a good flow and are producing results as well.

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Originally Posted by Charlie_Sheen420

I'm fine with giving him a raise as long as he keeps producing like he has, and he definitely needs to make more than Freeze who I think makes slightly more at the moment. My only concern is when it gets around the 5 mil mark that's dangerous territory. To me and many others 5mil means you better be making conference championship games and winning them sometimes. I think everyone at that level currently has that on their resume except Kevin Sumlin and Charlie Strong, and they are both on some hot seats at the moment. You don't want to negotiate for 5 mil and get yourself fired for doing so when you can't meet those expectations yet. Do I think Dan can meet those expectations, yes, but it is going to take some continued building and time. I think Dan is worth 5 mil to State because of all the attention he has brought to the program which has brought in $ to the athletic department and school itself, but you also have to produce 5 mil results with a 5 mil contract. We definitely need to increase pay to assistants and keep continuity among that group as long as they have a good flow and are producing results as well.

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Well there is also inflation. 10 years ago 2-3 million meant you better win a championship. The salaries keep going up and up...at some point 5 million may not mean you better win a championship. Not saying we are there yet necessarily but I think we're getting close if we're not.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Well there is also inflation. 10 years ago 2-3 million meant you better win a championship. The salaries keep going up and up...at some point 5 million may not mean you better win a championship. Not saying we are there yet necessarily but I think we're getting close if we're not.

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Been almost 0 inflation the last 8 years. Dan makes enough. Beat Ole Miss and win the bowl game and we can give him a slight raise.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Been almost 0 inflation the last 8 years. Dan makes enough. Beat Ole Miss and win the bowl game and we can give him a slight raise.

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Agree. He makes 4 mil a year and the 16th highest paid in the country. We are not under paying him.

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Originally Posted by Dawgface

Agree. He makes 4 mil a year and the 16th highest paid in the country. We are not under paying him.

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16th highest paid in the nation in a top 10 cheapest cost of living area. His 4 mill in California doesn't stretch as far as his 4 mill in StarkVegas. Not even close.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

16th highest paid in the nation in a top 10 cheapest cost of living area. His 4 mill in California doesn't stretch as far as his 4 mill in StarkVegas. Not even close.

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I'm glad you're not the one ponying up for his salary!

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Originally Posted by DancingRabbit

As of a year ago OSU's assistant staff was the 8th highest paid staff in the country. Sounds reasonable.

I think Dan and Megan are good people, and Dan's a good coach. I hope they stay, and I don't believe Dan's anxious to leave despite all the expert sources. If a top 10 program comes after him I don't blame him for being interested.

I think it's a little premature to start slandering Dan and Megan.

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Exactly.

If someone is slandering Megan, please report the post because that won't be tolerated.

Even though I think it's undeserved, y'all can rip Dan. That's why he gets paid the big bucks. He's an SEC coach and should have pretty thick skin. I don't see message board fodder bothering a guy making $4million a year.

If someone is slandering Megan, please report the post because that won't be tolerated.

Even though I think it's undeserved, y'all can rip Dan. That's why he gets paid the big bucks. He's an SEC coach and should have pretty thick skin. I don't see message board fodder bothering a guy making $4million a year.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Been almost 0 inflation the last 8 years. Dan makes enough. Beat Ole Miss and win the bowl game and we can give him a slight raise.

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Todd isnt talking about economic inflation. He's talking about market demand inflation. It has nothing to do with "enough". Its about generated revenue for the school and how much of that mullen represents that msu believes we cannot easily replicate without paying MORE.

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Originally Posted by ScottH

Did he move from Rick Diamond?

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No. Still w Diamond.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

No. Still w Diamond.

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Lol. Sorry. I refer to every agent as Sexton.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

If someone is slandering Megan, please report the post because that won't be tolerated.

Even though I think it's undeserved, y'all can rip Dan. That's why he gets paid the big bucks. He's an SEC coach and should have pretty thick skin. I don't see message board fodder bothering a guy making $4million a year.

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I was accused of "slandering" Megan. My comment was "if Megan wants to be in a place with a Costco or Dan needs more than 4 million, I will help them pack." Not sure how that was interpreted as slandering her.

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Originally Posted by PendingTransaction

I was accused of "slandering" Megan. My comment was "if Megan wants to be in a place with a Costco or Dan needs more than 4 million, I will help them pack." Not sure how that was interpreted as slandering her.

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I dont think you did. Saying "If Megan wants..." Is speculation.

Stating you know it for a fact to elicit a response is for another place and time.

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Originally Posted by PendingTransaction

If Meagan needs a Costco or if 4mil ain't enough for Dan, I'll help them pack! I don't see Dan as some greatly desired coach by the marquee programs. And he's not jockeying for more assistant money. He just like his mentor, Urban. They know so damn much that they don't value assistant coaches. Just check; Myers won a natty but his assistants barely breaks the top 50 in pay.

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This is the post. Gravedigger, you are one crazy guy!

Everyone likes Costco. That's not slander.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

I'm glad you're not the one ponying up for his salary!

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Not sure what this has to do with what I posted?

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Not sure what this has to do with what I posted?

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Seems you were rationalizing not paying more for dm. Hack thinks we should.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

Everyone likes Costco.

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Except the folks of Dinsmoor.

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Originally Posted by gravedigger

Seems you were rationalizing not paying more for dm. Hack thinks we should.

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If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

16th highest paid in the nation in a top 10 cheapest cost of living area. His 4 mill in California doesn't stretch as far as his 4 mill in StarkVegas. Not even close.

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If you think a guy making $4 mil per year gives a shit about the COL diff between MS and Cali or Georgia, you're kidding yourself.

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Originally Posted by blacklistedbully

If you think a guy making $4 mil per year gives a shit about the COL diff between MS and Cali or Georgia, you're kidding yourself.

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He should otherwise he comes across as a greedy bastard if he's already basically demanding a raise not even a year after he was made the 16th highest coach. Did he beat Bama and LSU this year? Did he do something more special than last year when he got a raise? I like Dan a lot and wouldn't mind him staying for a long time but if he and his agent are already trying to squeeze more money out of MSU than he can get the **** on basically. He ain't that good and he's stubborn as **** really. Shumpert up the middle durrrrr fart.

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Originally Posted by ScottH

Except the folks of Dinsmoor.

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Yeah, I wouldn't build in MS either if I were Costco, except maybe Desoto County.