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11-15-2015, 09:49 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by TopDog58

So? 7 years is a lifetime. If he does move on i think it would be better for all. Weve seen enough out of him to know that he's hit the ceiling. Barring a miraculous finish to this season, he will have squandered the 2 most talented teams he's going to field at MSU. And before some of you say " we gone croot better", what the hell has Dan done recently to give you that idea? So we should just give him a lifetime coaching gig hoping that the Orange Bowl trip pays off 3 years from now?

1. I don't agree with you, mainly bc our program is in better shape than at any point in history, but if that's your opinion, fine.

2. My larger point is if you don't want him as our coach, then why can't you say you support firing him? Bc you know the PR nightmare it would be and how stupid you would look? Shouldn't that tell you your opinion is wrong?
11-15-2015, 09:54 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

As long as Dan will make adjustments and correct his mistakes (quit making the same mistakes over & over), I want him as our coach. But his awful personnel decisions and inability to stop jamming the square peg into the round hole with certain play calls, has me concerned. If he stops trying to progress, and instead takes a "this is me, I've got it figured out" approach...I want him to leave. Because he doesn't have it figured out...there is lots of room to grow. We still beat ourselves too much. And we never "execute at a high level" despite him saying it 10 billion times. Too many repetitive mistakes by players & coaches, and too many fundamental mistakes, to claim he's done growing. He's definitely grown to this point throughout his career here...and as long as he continues, I never want to lose him. But if he stops growing as a coach...bye. And that should be everyone's expectation in my opinion. Not too much to ask at all.

So if he becomes complacent and stops growing as a coach you want him gone? I can support that. For all of our coaches in every sport. But that's not at all what C34 and topdog58 are saying. They prefer he leave and think we would be better off if he moved on.
11-15-2015, 10:01 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by confucius say

2. My larger point is if you don't want him as our coach, then why can't you say you support firing him? Bc you know the PR nightmare it would be and how stupid you would look? Shouldn't they tell you your opinion is wrong?

You cant support firing him because he has done nothing to be fired over. He is Stands without the chaos. He is 2-16 vs Bama, LSU, and A&M and that is not going to get any better under Mullen.
11-15-2015, 10:01 PM
bulldawg28

All this butthurt from one game. Beating bama really has some of you guys talking crazy. Teams that beat Bama put alot of focus on them and circle them on their calendars...Ole Miss...Auburn..heck even Croom did it. I believe Mullen now realizes how big some fans view beating bama. His initial focus was Ole Miss and he did it 4 years straight. He'll get it together but you guys should stop acting like little brother upset that Ole Miss beat them but we can't.
11-15-2015, 10:09 PM
bulldawg28

Heck, 95% of the fans here chalk the Bama game a loss before the season even starts. Why the heck all the crying when you weren't convinced from the beginning? Over 85% of us here pick Bama to win the SEC before the season starts. Coach, I think you're stirring the pot here with your posts.
11-15-2015, 10:11 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Coach34

You cant support firing him because he has done nothing to be fired over. He is Stands without the chaos. He is 2-16 vs Bama, LSU, and A&M and that is not going to get any better under Mullen.

So if the 2-16 is no reason to lose his job, why do you prefer he leave? Do you want him as our coach or no? Simple question.
11-15-2015, 10:14 PM
THE Bruce Dickinson

The rest of the SEC west's record vs Bama in the last 7 years:

Auburn 2-5
Arkansas 0-7
LSU 2-5
TSUN 2-5
A&M 1-3

The combined SEC west record against Bama in the last 7 years is 7-32. No one consistently beats Bama.
11-15-2015, 10:20 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by confucius say

So if he becomes complacent and stops growing as a coach you want him gone? I can support that. For all of our coaches in every sport. But that's not at all what C34 and topdog58 are saying. They prefer he leave and think we would be better off if he moved on.

Yea, I'm not referring to Coach or top...that's my own personal criteria. Ha
11-15-2015, 10:24 PM
TrueMaroon

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Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson

The rest of the SEC west's record vs Bama in the last 7 years:

Auburn 2-5
Arkansas 0-7
LSU 2-5
TSUN 2-5
A&M 1-3

The combined SEC west record against Bama in the last 7 years is 7-32. No one consistently beats Bama.

Excellent post
11-15-2015, 10:24 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson

The rest of the SEC west's record vs Bama in the last 7 years:

Auburn 2-5
Arkansas 0-7
LSU 2-5
TSUN 2-5
A&M 1-3

The combined SEC west record against Bama in the last 7 years is 7-32. No one consistently beats Bama.

So everybody has beaten them except us and UPig? Good to know
11-15-2015, 10:25 PM
I seen it dawg

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Originally Posted by djaymsu5

It's obvious that Mullen trys to reinvent the wheel. He try's to get too cute sometimes and it costs us just about every time. I could go for days on the stupidity of play calling from Dan Mullen. He absolutely infuriates me sometimes. For those of you that want to take up for Mullen and say it's just the OLine are not seeing the bigger picture. Yes he's gotten us bowl eligible for 6 straight years and that's awesome. I can't take anything away from that but like coach34 we have only beat Texas A&M and LSU under Mullen and 0 times against bama. He's gotten us on the right track as a program but we will never win the big game with him as the head coach. Sorry if that offends anyone but it's the gods honest truth.

And there you have it.
11-15-2015, 10:26 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Heck, 95% of the fans here chalk the Bama game a loss before the season even starts. Why the heck all the crying when you weren't convinced from the beginning? Over 85% of us here pick Bama to win the SEC before the season starts. Coach, I think you're stirring the pot here with your posts.

I may be speaking for myself only, but I'm not mad we lost to Bama.....I'm mad that we got blown off the ****ing field vs Bama in the Senior season of our best QB in history. I'm mad that we continued to do the same things that didn't work at all last year vs Bama. Im mad that despite extra prep time, we still shot ourselves in the foot multiple times. I'm mad that I had to witness our QB and 120 lb RB get no yards up the middle vs Bama time after time again, when a 4 year old could have guaranteed Mullen it wouldn't work. That's why I'm mad. I have no doubt the better team won...but the fact that we got the shit kicked out of us in a huge game, on our home field, in Dak's revenge game of his Senior year, makes me mad. I'm kinda surprised people are so ok with that turd of a performance. Really surprised that people are actually wondering why people aren't happy with an ass beating.
11-15-2015, 10:28 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

As long as Dan will make adjustments and correct his mistakes (quit making the same mistakes over & over), I want him as our coach. But his awful personnel decisions and inability to stop jamming the square peg into the round hole with certain play calls, has me concerned. If he stops trying to progress, and instead takes a "this is me, I've got it figured out" approach...I want him to leave. Because he doesn't have it figured out...there is lots of room to grow. We still beat ourselves too much. And we never "execute at a high level" despite him saying it 10 billion times. Too many repetitive mistakes by players & coaches, and too many fundamental mistakes, to claim he's done growing. He's definitely grown to this point throughout his career here...and as long as he continues, I never want to lose him. But if he stops growing as a coach...bye. And that should be everyone's expectation in my opinion. Not too much to ask at all.

Very well said. It's a quandary for us because he DOES beat teams that are worse than us- something that Croom and Jackie didn't do all the time. BUT at the same time he very rarely beats anyone as good or better than us- which is something Jackie did at an acceptable rate. Which means it CAN be done at MSU.

And I think the reason why he rarely beats big time opponents is what you outlined in your post. You can't have people like Zach Jackson out there as much as he is, and you can't have Rufus Warren out there as much as he is when you have JT Gray and Elgton Jenkins respectively. And at least try to cover up weaknesses by adjusting in game like bringing in an extra blocker to help out the o-line- which is something Shumpert would actually be pretty good at and could have been useful. And he needs to stop pretending like Gabe Jackson is still around and running Dak up the middle on 3rd and 7 and then be shocked when it only gets a yard.
11-15-2015, 10:29 PM
I seen it dawg

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

18 5 stars vs 1 5 star. Bitching about play calling is low hanging fruit and nowhere near the root of the problem. Bitching about defensive alignments is low hanging fruit and nowhere near the root of the problem. Bitching about the talent of our running backs and Hev's offensive line recruiting is hitting the nail on the head.

We can solve this, but pressure must be applied at the correct spots. Bitching out of frustration about play calling and alignments is a big waste of hot air until the root of the problems are solved.

So coaching better isn't the root of the damn problem? That's the one ****ong thing they can do and they don't do it.
11-15-2015, 10:31 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I may be speaking for myself only, but I'm not mad we lost to Bama.....I'm mad that we got blown off the ****ing field vs Bama in the Senior season of our best QB in history. I'm mad that we continued to do the same things that didn't work at all last year vs Bama. Im mad that despite extra prep time, we still shot ourselves in the foot multiple times. I'm mad that I had to witness our QB and 120 lb RB get no yards up the middle vs Bama time after time again, when a 4 year old could have guaranteed Mullen it wouldn't work. That's why I'm mad. I have no doubt the better team won...but the fact that we got the shit kicked out of us in a huge game, on our home field, in Dak's revenge game of his Senior year, makes me mad. I'm kinda surprised people are so ok with that turd of a performance. Really surprised that people are actually wondering why people aren't happy with a ass beating.

Exactly. ALL I really ask is that we are at the very least competitive with teams like Alabama. And Saturday we were not. Mostly because of Dan's decisions.
11-15-2015, 10:31 PM
I seen it dawg

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Originally Posted by randyholloway

We win out and the tune will be different. The egg cures all...

No it doesn't
11-15-2015, 10:34 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by confucius say

So if the 2-16 is no reason to lose his job, why do you prefer he leave? Do you want him as our coach or no? Simple question.

I'm ok if he were to leave- simple as that
11-15-2015, 10:35 PM
THE Bruce Dickinson

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Originally Posted by Coach34

So everybody has beaten them except us and UPig? Good to know

Every one of these losses with the exception of the 1 Ole Miss loss from this year has been to a team that made a new year's 6/BCS bowl game. 3 of them were to teams that played for or won the national championship, and 2 of those teams had the Heisman Trophy Winner.

I know you have an agenda to keep pushing but the argument is silly.
11-15-2015, 10:38 PM
I seen it dawg

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

We tried to hit Bear on a slant. We tried to hit Bear on a fade. Then Dak got 2 yards on 3rd down. It's 4th and 1 and we let our best player try to get in the endzone. Same play Mullen ran with Tebow a hundred times. Same play Mullen ran to beat Ole Miss in the Egg Bowl. I would rather run Dak straight at them then try and run wide. Need better O-linemen. That's what it comes down to.

Ok....then don't ****ing sub. You sub for a play that we just ran with personnel that got us 2 yds. And when we sub bama gets to jog, more like they loafed in because they know the official will let them get there which also gives us less time to check out of a stupid ****ing play which we ran, the heavy goal line package in and get a breather for what they know is coming from the ****ing cocksuck Mullen. No way you sub there. Mullen took a damn dump on himself and just ran something he could think of on the spot which is always Dak slam it in the middle.
11-15-2015, 10:41 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Really surprised that people are actually wondering why people aren't happy with an ass beating.

because Bama is good we shouldnt expect to be able to play with them apparently
11-15-2015, 10:41 PM
I seen it dawg

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

We tried to hit Bear on a slant. We tried to hit Bear on a fade. Then Dak got 2 yards on 3rd down. It's 4th and 1 and we let our best player try to get in the endzone. Same play Mullen ran with Tebow a hundred times. Same play Mullen ran to beat Ole Miss in the Egg Bowl. I would rather run Dak straight at them then try and run wide. Need better O-linemen. That's what it comes down to.

And as a play caller don't you think he knows we don't have better ****ing offensive lineman? Surely he watches film and realizes that they suck and you know what we might not be able to slam it in vs their goal line package. So run something muther****ing else in that genius ****** playbook. ****ing Christ.
11-15-2015, 10:42 PM
I seen it dawg

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

B

I want to keep Mullen with everything we have. What we need is another Brewster. We need a recruiting maniac that coaches a non consequential position. We need a recruiter on staff that is capable of pulling 2-3 elite players a year and we need to pay this guy so well that he can't leave.

Respectfully you can leave with him then.
11-15-2015, 10:43 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson

Every one of these losses with the exception of the 1 Ole Miss loss from this year has been to a team that made a new year's 6/BCS bowl game. 3 of them were to teams that played for or won the national championship, and 2 of those teams had the Heisman Trophy Winner.

I know you have an agenda to keep pushing but the argument is silly.

but somebody beats Alabama every year- yet never us
11-15-2015, 10:45 PM
sorrydog

We actually have "fans" that want Mullen to leave?!?!?!
How many bowl games in a row?
How many weeks at No. 1 !!??!?!?!
Your expectations are ridiculous.
EVERYBODY picked us last this year - except for some of you brilliant "coaches"
that set the bar too high based on the 2-3 star talent we had returning.
Get over yourselves.
11-15-2015, 10:45 PM
Bothrops

There's no telling what would happen to our program if Mullen leaves. We may get the correct hire, but we also may **** up big. Then we're back in a hole like we were in the '00s. Can't afford that again, our competition would leave us at the grave.
11-15-2015, 10:49 PM
SDDawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Very well said. It's a quandary for us because he DOES beat teams that are worse than us- something that Croom and Jackie didn't do all the time. BUT at the same time he very rarely beats anyone as good or better than us- which is something Jackie did at an acceptable rate. Which means it CAN be done at MSU.

And I think the reason why he rarely beats big time opponents is what you outlined in your post. You can't have people like Zach Jackson out there as much as he is, and you can't have Rufus Warren out there as much as he is when you have JT Gray and Elgton Jenkins respectively. And at least try to cover up weaknesses by adjusting in game like bringing in an extra blocker to help out the o-line- which is something Shumpert would actually be pretty good at and could have been useful. And he needs to stop pretending like Gabe Jackson is still around and running Dak up the middle on 3rd and 7 and then be shocked when it only gets a yard.

While I know we can do better, there something to be said for a program that goes to bowl games every year and solidifies itself as an 8 win program (roughly .500 in conference) with room to grow. That's something no one has accomplished at MSU and Dan has. Some random that C34 wants to bring in that won't even win the Pac-12 South is definitely not the answer.
11-15-2015, 10:49 PM
THE Bruce Dickinson

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Originally Posted by Coach34

but somebody beats Alabama every year- yet never us

You are right. It is usually the eventual national champs
11-15-2015, 10:57 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by randyholloway

While I know we can do better, there something to be said for a program that goes to bowl games every year and solidifies itself as an 8 win program (roughly .500 in conference) with room to grow. That's something no one has accomplished at MSU and Dan has. Some random that C34 wants to bring in that won't even win the Pac-12 South is definitely not the answer.

I do agree with this. Wanting Mullen gone is not smart at all.

We just need him to continue the good things he's done, while focusing on getting rid of the next list of mistakes he has been repeating. It's a process...and he can do it....and as long as he knows that and works on the shortcomings, we'd be foolish to run him off.

I love knowing every year it's not a matter of "if we're going to be good"....but instead "just how good will we be". Now we need to improve the recruiting a little more (focus on OL), work on the personnel decisions, and quit being stubborn and play to our strengths instead of trying to force things we don't have.

Focus on those things in combination with everything he's been doing, and we will take another step forward.
11-15-2015, 11:00 PM
I seen it dawg

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I do agree with this. Wanting Mullen gone is not smart at all. We just need him to continue the good things he's done, while focusing on getting rid of the next list of mistakes he has been repeating. It's a process...and he can do it....and as long as he knows that and works on the shortcomings, we'd be foolish to run him off. I love knowing every year it's not a matter of "if we're going to be pretty good"....but instead "how good will we be". Now we need to improve the recruiting a little more (focus on OL), work on the personnel decisions, and quit being stubborn and play to our strengths instead of trying to force things we don't have. Fo those things in combination with everything he's been doing, and we will take another step forward.

You use words like shortcomings...and stubborn....those people don't change in the amount of time we need them to. Please leave. I'll take my chances.
11-15-2015, 11:07 PM
Eric Nies Grind Time

If you are wanting Mullen gone you need to get someone more impressive than Kyle Whittingham.
11-15-2015, 11:14 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by randyholloway

While I know we can do better, there something to be said for a program that goes to bowl games every year and solidifies itself as an 8 win program (roughly .500 in conference) with room to grow. That's something no one has accomplished at MSU and Dan has. Some random that C34 wants to bring in that won't even win the Pac-12 South is definitely not the answer.

Whittingham went 13-0 and has three 10 win seasons at Utah plus a 9 win season and has 8 wins right now. You know what else he has done that Dan hasn't? Beaten Alabama and yes, WITH Saban.

He's hardly "some random".

Fuente at Memphis would be my personal choice however.
11-15-2015, 11:21 PM
BoomBoom

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

There's no telling what would happen to our program if Mullen leaves. We may get the correct hire, but we also may **** up big. Then we're back in a hole like we were in the '00s. Can't afford that again, our competition would leave us at the grave.

Dont confuse the program with the coach. Mullen has vastly improved the program, but those improvements wont leave with him. Thats what it boils down to, what Mullen brought to the job is here to stay with or without him, but the shortcomings he brought will go right out the door with him.
11-15-2015, 11:22 PM
Eric Nies Grind Time

We already have a good coach. If someone that is a good coach + an elite recruiter comes along then hire him.
11-15-2015, 11:27 PM
SDDawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Whittingham went 13-0 and has three 10 win seasons at Utah plus a 9 win season and has 8 wins right now. You know what else he has done that Dan hasn't? Beaten Alabama and yes, WITH Saban.

He's hardly "some random".

Fuente at Memphis would be my personal choice however.

He lost to a very underwhelming Arizona team this weekend. He plays in a weak league and has had success, he's supposed to do that. I may be downplaying his success, but I'm not sold that his current team is better than ours.

Also, all joking aside, you guys want to trade "Dan the Scientologist" for an actual LDS church member and try to recruit in Mississippi and Alabama? I have no problem with anyone's religion personally, but I'm also a realist...
11-15-2015, 11:33 PM
BoomBoom

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Originally Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time

We already have a good coach. If someone that is a good coach + an elite recruiter comes along then hire him.

Holy shitballs. We have a decent overall coach, but one whos strength is development and systrm, amd whose weakness is field coaching and adjustments of any kind, be it within a game or within a season. Overall, he's not a good coach.
11-15-2015, 11:33 PM
I seen it dawg

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Originally Posted by randyholloway

He lost to a very underwhelming Arizona team this weekend. He plays in a weak league and has had success, he's supposed to do that. I may be downplaying his success, but I'm not sold that his current team is better than ours.

Also, all joking aside, you guys want to trade "Dan the Scientologist" for an actual LDS church member and try to recruit in Mississippi and Alabama? I have no problem with anyone's religion personally, but I'm also a realist...

Yeah the scientologist thing has really kept those recruits from coming to state. I'm sure LDS would have the same effect.
11-15-2015, 11:41 PM
War Machine Dawg

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I may be speaking for myself only, but I'm not mad we lost to Bama.....I'm mad that we got blown off the ****ing field vs Bama in the Senior season of our best QB in history. I'm mad that we continued to do the same things that didn't work at all last year vs Bama. Im mad that despite extra prep time, we still shot ourselves in the foot multiple times. I'm mad that I had to witness our QB and 120 lb RB get no yards up the middle vs Bama time after time again, when a 4 year old could have guaranteed Mullen it wouldn't work. That's why I'm mad. I have no doubt the better team won...but the fact that we got the shit kicked out of us in a huge game, on our home field, in Dak's revenge game of his Senior year, makes me mad. I'm kinda surprised people are so ok with that turd of a performance. Really surprised that people are actually wondering why people aren't happy with an ass beating.

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11-15-2015, 11:41 PM
Eric Nies Grind Time

When he was entering the game vs Alabama he was 20-5 in his last 25 games. He did this at MSU. It is really hard to win at football at MSU. Maybe the team will fall apart this season but he could still get to 10 wins with a bowl.
11-15-2015, 11:48 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by randyholloway

He lost to a very underwhelming Arizona team this weekend. He plays in a weak league and has had success, he's supposed to do that. I may be downplaying his success, but I'm not sold that his current team is better than ours.

Also, all joking aside, you guys want to trade "Dan the Scientologist" for an actual LDS church member and try to recruit in Mississippi and Alabama? I have no problem with anyone's religion personally, but I'm also a realist...

As I said, Fuente is my first choice. But if we end up with Whittingham, that's hardly a Rick Ray hire. As some appear to be fearful of.

At the end of the day, at the very least if I was Scott I would tell Dan to dump or demote Hevesey, Sallach, and maybe Knox with Hevesey being the only one that is totally non-negotiable. And I would tell him if he doesn't want to do that, then good luck at Miami.

At the end of the day, Dan could make his ridiculous play calls and have it work much better with a functional o-line.
11-15-2015, 11:48 PM
SDDawg

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Originally Posted by I seen it dawg

Yeah the scientologist thing has really kept those recruits from coming to state. I'm sure LDS would have the same effect.

Because it was a blatant lie. This would be true - you want to compete head to head with Freeze on that front?! Not smart.

No offense guys, but I don't think you're seeing this clearly. Understandable after a tough weekend, but sleep it off and let's finish the season and see where it goes. Dan was left for dead in 2013 and found a way to finish, let's see what he can do here.

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