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03-02-2015, 11:11 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by TheRef

BUT WE HAVE GOTTEN TRANSFERS, FFS. You're saying we haven't gotten a JUCO or Transfer in 3 years, yet we've gotten JUCOs in the past three years. Christ....you literally cannot function right now, 61. Step away from the keyboard for a bit.

No. My last sentence was implying to not only get transfers. You misinterpreted the paragraph. It isn't worth getting heated over. I'm stepping off.
03-02-2015, 11:59 PM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

**** sakes man. We are HORRIBLE in basketball and we haven't had ONE SINGLE TRANSFER in the last three years. Not one single one. Name me another Power 5 team that can say that. WE ARENT PLAYING THE SAME GAME AS EVERYONE ELSE! We have to get transfers/jucos to survive!

Are you seriously arguing that all 64 other P5 teams have gotten at least 1 D1 transfer in the past 3 years and we are literally the only one that hasn't?
03-03-2015, 12:11 AM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Are you seriously arguing that all 64 other P5 teams have gotten at least 1 D1 transfer in the past 3 years and we are literally the only one that hasn't?

If you can find one it'll be news to me.
03-03-2015, 08:28 AM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

If you can find one it'll be news to me.

I'm not going to scour the archives to look for previous years, but just in the SEC for 2014-15:
Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Georgia, and Mississippi State have no D1 transfers on their current roster. Tennessee technically has one, a walkon grad transfer from IUPUI who has played in 3 games, so I wouldn't really count him.

That's over 1/3 of the SEC alone without a transfer currently. Perhaps some of those schools have had one in the last 3 years that have already left, but I think it's safe to say you could find a few schools if you looked through every teams' recent rosters.
03-03-2015, 08:37 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

The Boyd Brothers are definitely GA Basketball Legends. Cal was great player. The teams from Campbell (82 State Champ) that David coached and Cal was the PG for were unreal. 1980s basketball in Cobb County/Marietta was fun to be around as a kid. Marietta (83 State Champ) had Cedric Henderson (famously signed LOI to 3 schools before "landing" at UGA), and the battles against Campbell were wild.

If you want to see Tookie in the final, you can watch here: http://www.nfhsnetwork.com/associations/ghsa

I'll be watching our local Brunswick High Pirates take on Alatoona for the 5A title.

What day and time is tookie's game? I plan on watching
03-03-2015, 08:59 AM
chef dixon

So funny that you guys are read to ship Dunlap out of town after a couple games, but see so much in.... Oliver Black.
03-03-2015, 11:37 AM
smootness

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Originally Posted by msstate7

What day and time is tookie's game? I plan on watching

It's Saturday, and I believe it's at 4:45 ET / 3:45 CT.
03-03-2015, 11:47 AM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by chef dixon

So funny that you guys are read to ship Dunlap out of town after a couple games, but see so much in.... Oliver Black.

Exactly
03-03-2015, 12:01 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

I'm not going to scour the archives to look for previous years, but just in the SEC for 2014-15:
Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Georgia, and Mississippi State have no D1 transfers on their current roster. Tennessee technically has one, a walkon grad transfer from IUPUI who has played in 3 games, so I wouldn't really count him.

That's over 1/3 of the SEC alone without a transfer currently. Perhaps some of those schools have had one in the last 3 years that have already left, but I think it's safe to say you could find a few schools if you looked through every teams' recent rosters.

Tennessee had the Memphis PG transfer last year. Kentucky had Ryan Harrow the guard transfer from NC State. MSU has had zero and we suck but atleast we get to sit on our high horse and act like we are above signing transfers.
03-03-2015, 01:22 PM
tcdog70

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I'd say tookie can create his own shot. He's scored over 3,000 in his career.

Not saying he can't. But he comes from 3-A ball. Do you not think Dunlap wasn't a big scorer. Ready was a scorer. I don't know if you remember Tom Shuburth-SP. He was a short shooting guard from a while back. Back when we used to play ball about 3 nights a week, we played a bunch of ex athletes from State. Tom was on their team. that night he burned it up. I asked Him if he could shoot like that why didn't he score more . He laughed and said It is a different game in the SEC. Just because you can score in HighSchool doesn't mean you can in D1. Who remembers Robert Woodard he was MS all time leading scorer in High School and He was like the 7th man for Us and wasn't a scorer. How about let's let Tookie get here and we will see. By the way I think Woodard has a son that will be a recruit soon.
03-03-2015, 01:34 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

Not saying he can't. But he comes from 3-A ball. Do you not think Dunlap wasn't a big scorer. Ready was a scorer. I don't know if you remember Tom Shuburth-SP. He was a short shooting guard from a while back. Back when we used to play ball about 3 nights a week, we played a bunch of ex athletes from State. Tom was on their team. that night he burned it up. I asked Him if he could shoot like that why didn't he score more . He laughed and said It is a different game in the SEC. Just because you can score in HighSchool doesn't mean you can in D1. Who remembers Robert Woodard he was MS all time leading scorer in High School and He was like the 7th man for Us and wasn't a scorer. How about let's let Tookie get here and we will see. By the way I think Woodard has a son that will be a recruit soon.

Not to get in this back & forth deal but neither Ready or Dunlap avg 20ppg in HS. Tookie has avg over 25ppg each of the last 2yrs & 20ppg the last 3yrs. I agree we have to see how his game translates to the SEC but just going off what all 3 did in HS Tookie is a far better scorer than the other 2.
03-03-2015, 01:48 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

Not saying he can't. But he comes from 3-A ball. Do you not think Dunlap wasn't a big scorer. Ready was a scorer. I don't know if you remember Tom Shuburth-SP. He was a short shooting guard from a while back. Back when we used to play ball about 3 nights a week, we played a bunch of ex athletes from State. Tom was on their team. that night he burned it up. I asked Him if he could shoot like that why didn't he score more . He laughed and said It is a different game in the SEC. Just because you can score in HighSchool doesn't mean you can in D1. Who remembers Robert Woodard he was MS all time leading scorer in High School and He was like the 7th man for Us and wasn't a scorer. How about let's let Tookie get here and we will see. By the way I think Woodard has a son that will be a recruit soon.

Yes, we won't know anything until Tookie gets here.

But 3A in Georgia isn't a joke. And I'm sorry, but bringing up an example of somebody who looked really good in pick-up games but didn't score much in the SEC isn't exactly going to help your argument.

Dawg61 wants us to get a Moody-type guy. Well, we're bringing in somebody of a similar size and who is at least a similar type scorer, who is actually a higher-ranked recruit than Moody was even coming out of JUCO, but that isn't good enough.

I just don't know what you guys want. We all want to have better players right now. And we all want better players next year and beyond as well. But we can't have better players right now, and no matter who we get, whether it's a HS kid or a transfer, we won't know how good they are until they show up on campus.

I really like what Tookie seems to bring to the table. Will it be effective in the SEC? I have no idea. But we also wouldn't have any idea if some 4-star 6'5" SG is going to be good until they show up, either. Oh yeah, we're bringing in one of those, too.

We'll see what Tookie is, but playing 3A ball in Georgia and lighting up the scoreboard in HS certainly are not evidence that he won't be good in college. He seems to bring a lot to the table. I'm excited to see if he can make a difference next year.
03-03-2015, 01:56 PM
thf24

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Originally Posted by smootness

He seems to bring a lot to the table. I'm excited to see if he can make a difference next year.

I'm more excited about his handling than his scoring. In his film he looks to be an elite handler, good passer, and have that unteachable knack for protecting the ball that a lot of our guys now seem to lack. That could go a long way towards cutting down the turnovers.
03-03-2015, 02:02 PM
chef dixon

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Exactly

I'd like to add to it but to not want Dunlap to get more involved is so ridiculous. Believe it or not, he actually has some natural basketball skills (you know being able to shoot and stuff important for basketball), which has been severely lacking under Ray. We can continue to bring in guys and feel good about their size and athleticism like Black/Houston/Ndoye and we will continue to play sloppy with poor fundamentals and brick the ever living shit out of every jump shot. I'm not saying you don't need some of these type guys, but until we mix in some actual basketball players who have high game IQ and are fluid/composed with their shots and ball movement, we will look the same on the court. I'm not saying Dunlap is the answer to anything, but to just throw him out of the equation with our current roster and pathetic display on the court is ignorant. I don't care how tall they come, this team needs skill, bad.
03-03-2015, 02:04 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by smootness

Yes, we won't know anything until Tookie gets here.

But 3A in Georgia isn't a joke. And I'm sorry, but bringing up an example of somebody who looked really good in pick-up games but didn't score much in the SEC isn't exactly going to help your argument.

Dawg61 wants us to get a Moody-type guy. Well, we're bringing in somebody of a similar size and who is at least a similar type scorer, who is actually a higher-ranked recruit than Moody was even coming out of JUCO, but that isn't good enough.

I just don't know what you guys want. We all want to have better players right now. And we all want better players next year and beyond as well. But we can't have better players right now, and no matter who we get, whether it's a HS kid or a transfer, we won't know how good they are until they show up on campus.

I really like what Tookie seems to bring to the table. Will it be effective in the SEC? I have no idea. But we also wouldn't have any idea if some 4-star 6'5" SG is going to be good until they show up, either. Oh yeah, we're bringing in one of those, too.

We'll see what Tookie is, but playing 3A ball in Georgia and lighting up the scoreboard in HS certainly are not evidence that he won't be good in college. He seems to bring a lot to the table. I'm excited to see if he can make a difference next year.

I don't want Moody's size. I want Moody's ability to score and his fearlessness. Overall I want a good HC that can develop players offensively. I want a team full of good skilled players. Passing, dribbling, shooting. I also want positive roster turnover until we no longer suck. When we are in the NCAA tournament again I'll stop asking for player turnover. Till then all I see is four spots that can be used to add a Hornsby or Moody type player. Maybe a couple Brandon Vincent and Michael Gholar types too. I see upgrades.
03-03-2015, 02:05 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by thf24

I'm more excited about his handling than his scoring. In his film he looks to be an elite handler, good passer, and have that unteachable knack for protecting the ball that a lot of our guys now seem to lack. That could go a long way towards cutting down the turnovers.

Ready himself is a really, really good ball-handler. It will definitely be nice to always have a PG in the game that you trust bringing the ball up and running the offense.
03-03-2015, 02:07 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

I don't want Moody's size. I want Moody's ability to score and his fearlessness. Overall I want a good HC that can develop players offensively. I want a team full of good skilled players. Passing, dribbling, shooting. I also want positive roster turnover until we no longer suck. When we are in the NCAA tournament again I'll stop asking for player turnover. Till then all I see is four spots that can be used to add a Hornsby or Moody type player. Maybe a couple Brandon Vincent and Michael Gholar types too. I see upgrades.

So, ability to score; fearlessness; skilled in passing, dribbling, and shooting. So what Tookie seems to be. And obviously if you really like Moody, then size isn't an issue with Tookie. That was my point.

ETA: I hope you realize that if we literally brought in Moody last year, you would likely be complaining about him because he wasn't rated highly at all coming out of JUCO, and his numbers weren't incredible there.
03-03-2015, 02:08 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by chef dixon

I'd like to add to it but to not want Dunlap to get more involved is so ridiculous. Believe it or not, he actually has some natural basketball skills (you know being able to shoot and stuff important for basketball), which has been severely lacking under Ray. We can continue to bring in guys and feel good about their size and athleticism like Black/Houston/Ndoye and we will continue to play sloppy with poor fundamentals and brick the ever living shit out of every jump shot. I'm not saying you don't need some of these type guys, but until we mix in some actual basketball players who have high game IQ and are fluid/composed with their shots and ball movement, we will look the same on the court. I'm not saying Dunlap is the answer to anything, but to just throw him out of the equation with our current roster and pathetic display on the court is ignorant. I don't care how tall they come, this team needs skill, bad.

Seems to me that Dunlap's issues are more attitude/team chemistry than lack of talent.
03-03-2015, 02:12 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by smootness

So, ability to score; fearlessness; skilled in passing, dribbling, and shooting. So what Tookie seems to be. And obviously if you really like Moody, then size isn't an issue with Tookie. That was my point.

ETA: I hope you realize that if we literally brought in Moody last year, you would likely be complaining about him because he wasn't rated highly at all coming out of JUCO, and his numbers weren't incredible there.

I'm very high on Tookie. He looks better than Ready right now to me. The point about Moody is not cloning the freak midget for us but that Ole Miss has been able to add transfers and jucos every year that are starting for them. I want that not Moody. I want starters added each year or big contributors. No excuse not to be taking advantage of the 600 transfers happening every year in BB.
03-03-2015, 02:55 PM
engie

We need a center. Badly. One that will be ready to start in 2016, whether you can get it from the highschool, juco, or transfer ranks. Not at all convinced that Ndoye can ever adequately fill that role. And we'll potentially have 4 power forwards. Need to square that away as well...
03-03-2015, 04:12 PM
Goat from MSU

We should have gotten Bradley Hayes 3 years ago. I know he does not play much for Greogetown but he would have played a bunch here.

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Originally Posted by engie

We need a center. Badly. One that will be ready to start in 2016, whether you can get it from the highschool, juco, or transfer ranks. Not at all convinced that Ndoye can ever adequately fill that role. And we'll potentially have 4 power forwards. Need to square that away as well...
03-03-2015, 04:59 PM
tcdog70

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Originally Posted by smootness

Yes, we won't know anything until Tookie gets here.

But 3A in Georgia isn't a joke. And I'm sorry, but bringing up an example of somebody who looked really good in pick-up games but didn't score much in the SEC isn't exactly going to help your argument.

Dawg61 wants us to get a Moody-type guy. Well, we're bringing in somebody of a similar size and who is at least a similar type scorer, who is actually a higher-ranked recruit than Moody was even coming out of JUCO, but that isn't good enough.

I just don't know what you guys want. We all want to have better players right now. And we all want better players next year and beyond as well. But we can't have better players right now, and no matter who we get, whether it's a HS kid or a transfer, we won't know how good they are until they show up on campus.

I really like what Tookie seems to bring to the table. Will it be effective in the SEC? I have no idea. But we also wouldn't have any idea if some 4-star 6'5" SG is going to be good until they show up, either. Oh yeah, we're bringing in one of those, too.

We'll see what Tookie is, but playing 3A ball in Georgia and lighting up the scoreboard in HS certainly are not evidence that he won't be good in college. He seems to bring a lot to the table. I'm excited to see if he can make a difference next year.

Smoot--I'm not saying he won't be the next Super D. But don't get all wooly till you see Him Play at the HUMP. The Guy I played in a pick-up game played in the SEC-he wasn't just some Guy. My team was made up ofEX- JUCO players we weren't chopped liver. Some people swore that Travis Daniel was going to be all-sec.

I hope he is-cause if he is what you think we might improve a lot, because we have no one that can shoot and handle the ball now. we are piss poor at PG. I just wonder can he defend?
03-03-2015, 05:06 PM
tcdog70

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Originally Posted by smootness

Ready himself is a really, really good ball-handler. It will definitely be nice to always have a PG in the game that you trust bringing the ball up and running the offense.

I wouldn't call Ready a good ball-handler-He turns the ball over way too much. He can't break a press off the dribble. He has other players bring the Ball up. He also has a hard time driving to the basket. He is an average Ball Handler for the SEC.
03-03-2015, 05:07 PM
Coach34

Who said Travis Daniels was going to be All-SEC???
03-03-2015, 05:09 PM
tcdog70

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Originally Posted by engie

We need a center. Badly. One that will be ready to start in 2016, whether you can get it from the highschool, juco, or transfer ranks. Not at all convinced that Ndoye can ever adequately fill that role. And we'll potentially have 4 power forwards. Need to square that away as well...

Engie-you are correct on this Point. A really nice SEC center would go a long way to making Us a Real SEC team.
03-03-2015, 05:17 PM
tcdog70

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Who said Travis Daniels was going to be All-SEC???

So you are denying your LOVE for TD? You ready to throw him away so quickly? and Yall had should good thing going--Dogging Pollard and Praising TD. Saying Colin was a dog and Travis would be so much better.
03-03-2015, 05:31 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

I wouldn't call Ready a good ball-handler-He turns the ball over way too much. He can't break a press off the dribble. He has other players bring the Ball up. He also has a hard time driving to the basket. He is an average Ball Handler for the SEC.

Ready averages 1.3 TO/game. That's very, very few for a starting PG.

He is an extremely good ball-handler. He routinely dribbles in traffic and rarely is in danger of having it stolen.
03-03-2015, 05:32 PM
engie

I'll be honest -- I thought Daniels would give us a helluva lot more than he has. He's got to be the most freshman-ish 4th year player I've ever seen in games. A ton of talent, but a ton of stupid mistakes and periods of time where he goes totally timid. I don't understand it. He's one of those guys that's an entirely different practice players.

At this point, we just need some damn gamers. I think Weatherspoon can be that -- know Sword is that -- think Tookie can be that -- and some evidence points to Zuppardo being that.

All that to say -- I'm less convinced that we can get to where we need to be today after the performance at South Carolina. We've lost games we should have won there and at home against Bama even after "we got it going in the right direction"....
03-04-2015, 11:22 AM
tcdog70

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Originally Posted by smootness

Ready averages 1.3 TO/game. That's very, very few for a starting PG.

He is an extremely good ball-handler. He routinely dribbles in traffic and rarely is in danger of having it stolen.

how many assists? He rarely dribble in traffic because he stays outside the 3 point line letting Chicken drive to the basket.
03-04-2015, 11:27 AM
TheRef

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

how many assists? He rarely dribble in traffic because he stays outside the 3 point line letting Chicken drive to the basket.

2.3 Assist/Game
03-04-2015, 11:27 AM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by engie

I'll be honest -- I thought Daniels would give us a helluva lot more than he has. He's got to be the most freshman-ish 4th year player I've ever seen in games. A ton of talent, but a ton of stupid mistakes and periods of time where he goes totally timid. I don't understand it. He's one of those guys that's an entirely different practice players.

At this point, we just need some damn gamers. I think Weatherspoon can be that -- know Sword is that -- think Tookie can be that -- and some evidence points to Zuppardo being that.

All that to say -- I'm less convinced that we can get to where we need to be today after the performance at South Carolina. We've lost games we should have won there and at home against Bama even after "we got it going in the right direction"....

Yea, looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane. However, I never had really high hopes for a guy that barely averaged double figures in JUCO and had no other SEC offers.
03-04-2015, 12:12 PM
Goat from MSU

Hey Ref time to lock this one up too.
03-04-2015, 12:21 PM
maroonmania

Will say before the lock that I am looking forward to seeing what Tookie Brown can do for us on the court next year given his HS performances.
03-04-2015, 12:28 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Will say before the lock that I am looking forward to seeing what Tookie Brown can do for us on the court next year given his HS performances.

Cautiously optimistic. He's obviously got game, but can he overcome small stature
03-04-2015, 12:29 PM
Goat from MSU

I am too . He looks good on film.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Will say before the lock that I am looking forward to seeing what Tookie Brown can do for us on the court next year given his HS performances.
03-04-2015, 01:44 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Cautiously optimistic. He's obviously got game, but can he overcome small stature

He can be our own version of Spud Webb.
03-04-2015, 01:46 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

He can be our own version of Spud Webb.

Yep. No pressure tookie... Just be as good as an nba legend haha
03-04-2015, 04:09 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

So you are denying your LOVE for TD? You ready to throw him away so quickly? and Yall had should good thing going--Dogging Pollard and Praising TD. Saying Colin was a dog and Travis would be so much better.

Daniels is a practice warrior apparently. He has shown flashes- and then disappears. Pollard is going for 11 and 6 at Houston on a team that is 2-14 in league play

Common opponent:

Daniels went for 13 and 9 vs Tulane earlier this year
Pollard 16 and 9 vs Tulane
03-04-2015, 04:16 PM
tcdog70

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Daniels is a practice warrior apparently. He has shown flashes- and then disappears. Pollard is going for 11 and 6 at Houston on a team that is 2-14 in league play

Common opponent:

Daniels went for 13 and 9 vs Tulane earlier this year
Pollard 16 and 9 vs Tulane

good Stats Coach. but Pollard Starts and Travis is a sometimer. It is too bad because they both have the tools to be much better. If they had Roq's energy they could be awesome.
03-04-2015, 04:31 PM
thf24

I still think Daniels has way more potential than he's mostly shown thus far, and could have a great senior season if he spends some time with some kind of basketball guru over the summer to build his confidence up. One of my biggest criticisms of Ray is that he's shown little to no ability to inspire confidence and consistency in players who need it, ie. Daniels and Thomas.

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