I saw Clayborn last year and was pretty impressed for him to be a true freshman.
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I saw Clayborn last year and was pretty impressed for him to be a true freshman.
5 years ago I'd scoff at the idea of a RT being 280 lbs in the SEC and until last year I would think that would mean we were bound for 3-9, but having a Tebow-type QB eliminates a big need for a massive offensive line. DE's aren't going to be bulldozing guys to get into the backfield.
Now, 280 is still small and I'm not saying I'm ok with having a 280 lbs guy out of principal.... But if he wins the job fair and square I'm not going to write him off because of size. Our system allows for a smaller OL.
ETA: If he's 280 lbs he better be athletic.
Clayborn wasn't good as a frosh.???? Everyone I have talked with has said right now in his career Clayborn is ahead of where Gabe was at this timeQuote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Clausell has been very solid and steady at LT
Im not sure where you get 280 from with Senior. He was listed at 300 last year. And he seems pretty athletic
Who has said Dillions injury is that serious..?? he practiced basically the entire spring
Malone may be good enough to play and start at RT if he isn't then we have very good depth at the Guard position. He didn't do much in the spring because of injury.
Johnson may come in and lock up the RT spot. Again had a injury limited in spring
All the coaches said that Robinson had a good spring. (Im still not sold on him)
Jake Thomas, Flowers, Depser, Cole, Senior are all just Soph and have a shot at being good SEC players.
Rufus may be the wildcard out of the bunch. Very athletic
Yes RT is an issue right now. But Depth wise with or without Golson we are much deeper than the Bears ... And I guess they are all counting on a Juco to step in now and start at RT. Cooper isn't even on campus yet and if he does make probably wont get there till August..
We'll just have to disagree on the OLQuote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Clayborn was very good for true freshman at the end of the season last year. Everybody seems to think Chris Jones is going to be All-SEC, well he wasnt winning anymore than 50% of the battles with Clayborn this Spring.
Clausell is good SEC LT and will be signed by an NFL team as FA at worst
Who said Beckwith was a weak link? Go back and watch the Egg Bowl and you will change your opinion
Day is a good SEC Center
Whether he has played RT or not- Malone has been an SEC starter and played live football in the trenches. Myself and others wondered why he wasnt at Tackle in the first place.
Johnson is experienced
Flowers redshirted and had a great Spring
Senior is a solid back-up
Warren was getting better everyday.
I feel really good about 9 of our guys. Not to mention- we have 3-4 TE's that can play and help out our OT's if we have problems somewhere. It's already rumored we plan to run some 3 TE sets to be more physical
Our OL situation is not great, but it's not as bad as you say. Clausell, Clayborne, Day, Beckwith, and Malone (at G) are all known quantities if healthy. I don't think any of them are great although Clayborne may be, but Clausell, Day, and Malone (at G) are all pretty good. You put another OT the quality of Clausell and another OG the quality of Malone with that group, and you have a very good line overall even if there aren't any high draft picks in the group.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
I do agree that RT and the possibility of an injured Day have me very worried. But if I weren't worried about injuries, I'd feel pretty good about our O-Line. A few years ago when we were screwed at OT, we moved a starting DL to OL for his senior season. The fact that there weren't open tryouts at RT in the spring has me feeling a little better about that spot. If Mullen wasn't very confident that we had a solid option at that spot, I think we'd have seen him trying a lot more options there this spring.
What is Desper now, a redshirt sophomore? Is he not ready for SEC football yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
BS!!
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I don't buy one minute of the grandparent story. Is the guy like a nurse or something? why does he need to be closer? What is he gonna babysit them at night or something? No matter where he plays he is gonna be practicing, traveling, studying, or playing pretty much the whole week. He has been bought by AUB. We shouldn't release him to another SEC school. He Can go to Troy and babysit his pappy at night.This is from the Spirit Board. What a bunch of ****ing dicks.
Doubt the dude goes anywhere.
Quick question, did you think our O-line was a good run blocking O-line last year? If your answer is yes, then we will have to agree to disagree. And we just lost a 2nd round road-grader from that group and a serviceable RT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I bet we run the ball better this year than last year...Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Only if we are willing to let Dak take an absolute pounding which is something I hope we can avoid.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic
I wouldn't call our run blocking bad last year. We had 190 rushing yards per game, which isn't terrible and was good for middle of the pack in the conference. And that was with playing the wrong running back for most of the season. Could be better, but it wasn't bad by any means.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
The threat of Dak running will help our backs.
Dak's improved passing and the entire WR core back will help
Playing more TE sets will help our running.
Not having Perk as crazy as that sounds will help.
A close to or 100% Griffin will help
And our line will be fine.. Siddoway gone isn't that big a deal. Of course losing Gabe is , but another year with Clayborn, and 3 SR along with him will be fine...
Yes we had a good run blocking o-line. It's not their fault that Dan tried to use Perkins like Vick Ballard. They did their job for the most part.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
And they'll be even better because:
1. They're more experienced
2. Dak is going to be an even better passer, which makes it easier on them when we run the ball because it will take a man out of the box, which means one less guy to block.
3. Robinson and Shumpert can be used like Vick Ballard and be effective, which again is going to make them look better.
I'm not worried about that. Dak is going to be a better passer than he was last year. And I have to wonder if the reason why he kept it a lot of times was because he didn't think Perkins could pick up the yardage.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
NoQuote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Having J-Rob in there makes our rushing attack better. Look no further than the UPig game for evidence. It's a different rushing attack with him in there. Dakota is going to get his carries also- there is no doubt there. You can count on 175 carries out of him probably.
As far as the OL- I think Malone will be better than Siddoway- but Clayborn wont be as good as Jackson was as a Sr.
I would like to see a up to date ranking now of that "top 10" class.
I know of these if Golson does leave... there may be some I left off..
Morgan TE 4*
Golson OT 4*
Snoop CB 4*
Jackson TE 3*
Robinson OLB 3*
It's been a minute since Snoop signed.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic
Not to be the beacon of reasonable bickering, but if we start adding up guys who sucked or left from MSU's pool of highly touted lot it would stack up pretty nicely.
I'd still kill to have a top 10 class. The thing that's puzzling to me is why a bonafide starter would want to transfer. That's fishy, I don't care which way you spin it.
They counted Brassell in that class as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by esplanade91
I'd kill to have a legit top 10 class. Like Alabama's- NOT like Ole Miss.
I think the kid is transferring for one or more of the following reasons:Quote:
Originally Posted by esplanade91
1. The reason he gave
2. He knows he can play for a national power in his home state.
3. Realizes OM is mediocre at best
4. Doesn't like the culture surrounding the program
EXACTALY... ^^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Snoop signed (for the 2nd time) in 2013.
I think we had 3 from that class.Quote:
Originally Posted by esplanade91
Sandberg
Gray ( who we get back in 2015)
Chappell
Not too bad..
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Originally Posted by msstate7
5. Is holding out for some big time booster to open the purse strings and pay him to stay.
I really hope this is the case. The Kim brothers, tunsil, Taylor, treadwell, etc will follow his lead. Keep OM boosters tapped with our recruiting class shaping up to be specialQuote:
Originally Posted by Pollodawg
I haven't seen it mentioned, but I've seen on nafoom and the spirit that olemiss' other site reported that Golson had told someone, maybe the writer for that site that "he just didn't fit in at olemiss". That along with the report that coaches had to go to alabama to talk him into coming back after christmas break tells us that he just didn't like being at olemiss. But of course, we sort of knew that might be the reason.
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Originally Posted by AlSwearengen
I heard somewhere also that they had to beg the kid to come back from Christmas break.
Only if he counted towards their recruiting ranking for the year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
#4StarsForDamien
#CrootinChampionships
ThisQuote:
Originally Posted by Pollodawg
I heard 3 months ago they had to go get him to get him back on campus after Christmas. He just wants out of there, hell, who could blame him? It's Grenada without the Lake... Might as well have their campus in Ripley or some shit
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Originally Posted by Coach34
Ole Miss wishes they had First Monday
I bet oxford doesn't have a single place where you can buy a goat and belt buckles all in one stop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alphadog
Sandberg is a top 15 QB if he doesn't play baseball... That was big.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic
Kimdeachiees brotha from anotha motha lasted about 4 days and bitched the whole time.
That's why I laugh at and talk shit about Yancy and his disciples. You can't look at a recruiting class and "know" that team will be good or bad in 3 years. Templeton Hardy, Robert Elliot, and (I forget the name of that huge ass RB who transferred and never did shit) were all "huge" gets for MSU. Their lesser counterparts who no one else really seemed to want are all in the NFL. A solid percent of kids won't make it to their senior year, and not because they were good enough to leave early. Another portion of 3 and 4 stars will lose their jobs to true or redshirt freshmen (Morrow, Robinson) who no one is even considering at this point.
When you put all of your eggs in the "let's grab a bunch of people who have no business being in north Mississippi because their film looks pretty" basket more times than not it's going to blow up in your face.
Looks like Hugh is bitter.
Hugh Freeze
@CoachHughFreeze
Commitment is staying loyal to what you said you were going to do, long after the mood you said it in, has left you #WinTheDay
I fear for Austin's soul*Quote:
Originally Posted by PMDawg
How does anyone still have respect for this guy?Quote:
Originally Posted by PMDawg
Fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by PMDawg
Obviously, he's transferring out of love.
Wow. Trying to publicly shame the guy into regretting his decision to leave. There was this little tidbit from an AL.com article:
Golson said Freeze has been very understanding of the situation.
"He told me, 'Do what's best for you.' He understands it doesn't have anything to do with football."
Is Freeze talking from both sides of his mouth, perhaps pretending to be understanding, but really just trying to manipulate the kid?
Guess this also means Freeze has no intention of pursuing other team's recruits once they have "committed".***
5. HomesickQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
6. Just unhappy
There are a lot of freshmen and sophomores in college that transfer because they are too far from home (even when they are literally an hour drive away). And a lot of freshmen and sophomores that are unhappy or are just having trouble adjusting and they transfer because they think it will help, when it's not the school that's the problem.
And that's ignoring the possibility that it is just Oxford. State or Ole Miss have to worry a little bit when they get recruits from much bigger cities. I think we'd both see a lot more transfers if playing DI sports wasn't basically a full time job that doesn't give athletes enough free time to get bored with the towns. Throw in the universities racial issues, and it's easy to see why people would want to get the hell out of dodge. I doubt anybody's freshmen and sophomore experience is anything like their recruiting visits, but reality has to be especially jarring in Oxford.
I never really thought about a player's experience being nothing like their OV. Obviously it'll never be exactly like that, but there were several players, select guys, who showed up at parties or bars in the off season or whatever who could close the place down for free basically while I was there. Guys like Chad Bumphis could still walk into the Bin and have it become a party.
It's a personality thing. College, not just for athletes, is as fun as you're willing to make it. Ask AD.