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Coach is correct that we should have baited the trap with more money for a coach. It doesn't take a genius to figure that with the lost revenue yhsy we will be getting from lost seat purchases next year, its already going to be costing us what it would have cost to get a good proven coach and we still got Ray.
Nobody supports drug use. Nobody said our new coach wasn't going to have a rough time. The problem is that the two worst basketball teams in the conference were able to go out and hire proven, SUCCESSFUL, name coaches. Coaches who have made deep runs into the tournament. Our inept athletic department could not. That's not too hard to understand.
I wanted Stans gone like the rest but no way he loses all of Moultrie, Hood, Sidney, Kristers, S. Smith, Lewis, Steele, Gray, D. Smith, Applewhite and doesn't get Daniels, Denson, Ndoye able to play like Brick Ray hasn't been able to. That's an entire basketball team. 13 players that at one point were either on the basketball team, signed or committed since Ray took over that have left. Is it fair to put all those on Ray? Of course not but what happens if Stricklin hires someone like Bruce Pearl two years ago. Do 13 players leave or no longer sign up for MSU basketball when he gets hired? **** no. Brick Ray is in over his head. He's competing directly against John Calipari, Billy Donovan, Bruce Pearl, Mike Anderson, and even Frank Martin. Scott Stricklin can pack his bags.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
That I don't know. That's probably what everyone is referring when they say Scott botched the hire. I guess he wasn't willing to pay that kind of money. All I know, and it's just what someone told me, is that we were told no by alot of people. Some even more than once (Prohm).Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
You mean same as us? But I keep hearing that our players clearly won't ever be good enough because they weren't good enough this year. Apparently, though, SC will improve just by returning the players that led to their bad record while we will continue to be just as bad. Good to know!Quote:
Originally Posted by HailState39110
You also left Johnny Jones off that list who is a Dale Brown disciple . LSU has already committed to going back to the 'Dale Brown' way of doing things. Ray has an uphill battle for sure
Ok he gutted the program. Fine. Best to bring on a guy that can compete against Calipari, Donovan, Pearl, Martin and Anderson now so he can build his roster full with his players then wait 2 years and the next new guy has to gut it out again. Do I feel bad for Rick Ray? Not even slightly. He just made more money in the last two years than he would of made as an assistant at Clemson in ten years. He's got over 2 MILLION from MSU. Auburn just hired BRUCE PEARL. End this ****ing disaster hire RIGHT NOW!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Moultrie was gone no matter what. Sidney was gone, and nobody wanted him back anyway. Hood was clearly gone - it doesn't take much to see that was going to happen. Continuing to act as though Ray botched something because he left is absurd. Applewhite would not be here, so not sure why his name was mentioned - Ray is the one that brought him in. Same with Daniels, Denson, and Ndoye - they were all Ray recruits, and we'll have Daniels and Ndoye next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
And keeping guys like Zeidaks, Steele, Gray, Smith, and Lewis is exactly why our program had begun to trend downward to begin with. But you're telling me a team of those guys right there would be a success just because Stans was the coach? Please.
Name me the big-name guys who were in such miserable position with the NCAA that they had no better options than a place like Auburn who were available two years ago. You say 'someone like Bruce Pearl', so tell me who was available we could have gotten - or do you just mean someone who still had a show-cause for 5 more months? Because I guarantee you people like you would be whining about that as soon as they saw what his initial recruiting looked like. After all, the number one goal of any coach is to have 13 guys on the bench at any point in time.Quote:
what happens if Stricklin hires someone like Bruce Pearl two years ago. Do 13 players leave or no longer sign up for MSU basketball when he gets hired?
This thread has record length potential.
It's funny sometimes what new money does to some people. Some spend like crazy. Others (MSU) tighten their assholes and save it for another day. We've got plenty of money to pay for a great basketball coach. Can we not multitask at MSU at all? "Don't spend ANY money while we are finishing the football stadium". Guess what's next? A new baseball stadium. So Stricklin's tight ass isn't going to spend shit on basketball till the new baseball stadium is done. Yay we are guaranteed to suck monster balls for 5 more years. Engie I bet we ain't pulling in $6 million in basketball now.Quote:
Originally Posted by C222
Pearl can not have contact with a recruit until August 2014, I do believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthMsDawg
August 23rd he can start having direct contact.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishwater99
moultrie went 1st roundQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Smith and Sidney were told to leave- they didnt have a place here anymore. That came from the AD office
We've argued Hood to death
Steele was coming off an injury
Zedakis couldn't even cut it at Grand Valley ****ing State
Shaun Smuth is changing oil somewhere
Wendell Lewis was a back-up player at best
Stands went 16-16 with an easy OOC, Jamont and Rhodes after losing everybody in 2006- and what was left wouldn't have been as good as 2006
At least we will beat Auburn in football this year.
So you are saying he was the correct hire?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Yeah, I knew that. But I dont think alot of people turned down $2MM because it wasnt offered to themQuote:
Originally Posted by C222
No- I'm saying alot of what he has done was in his job description when he was hiredQuote:
Originally Posted by shannondawg
We can argue it til the cows come home, but the bottom line, is Scott Stricklin screwed up. The pitiful thing is he won't have to pay for it as long as Keenum is president.,. My understanding is they both go to the same Church and have the same mind set..Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I havent really seen anybody argue different. When we were having problems making a hire- we should have upped the anteQuote:
Originally Posted by shannondawg
My biggest contention though is that Ray cant adequately be judged yet. He is on the clock now- it's time for him to, as Crooms said "be good or be gone". Ray needs to start winning games now- rebuilding and culture changing is over
Do you still believe Ray gets a 4th year no matter what? Or do you want him gone if he shits the bed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
My hope is that a hire of this magnitude puts pressure on the other SEC teams to get more serious about basketball. Stricklin needs to make a big splash if Ray falls flat on his face next season. Of course with the way the SEC is ruining coaching careers this may be Pearl's last gig.Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasDawg
I think Scott was only offering Prohm maybe 1.2-1.3 mil. That would be easy for anyone to turn down.
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Originally Posted by Coach34
Dadblamit I agree, but just hate like shit that we are in this situation and that prudence tells us we have to wait for the conclusion that most of figure is going to happen. Only two people are to blame for the situation that we are in but its the fans that are paying for this.
Keenum"s and Stricklin"s mindset in keeping Bracky is telling to me as how they perceive our athletic dept should function.
While at it, the Bruce Pearl hire might just jar people into realizing just how stupid Keenum and Stricklin were in the hiring of Ray. May be a ray of sunshine in that afterall, no pun intended,.
If three shit years in basketball awards us upgrades in four very high positions at MSU I can temper my disgust. We've got a better chance of landing Malik Newman than that actually happening though.Quote:
Originally Posted by shannondawg
Everything I hear is he gets a 4th year unless we are some kind of terribleQuote:
Originally Posted by TexasDawg
We are some kind of terrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
but we wont be this bad again next yearQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Ray is one transfer of a key player away from packing his bags. The fence swings both ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
When you have worked as hard as these guys have and are paying a price- it makes it harder to walk away from and give up. We arent going to have a major player walk away now that the hardest part has passedQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Man I sure hope you're right on this one. You think losing Hood is hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Pretty cool. Jacobs tells media he wasn't gonna take NO for an answer from Pearl. Did you hear that SS & Keenum ?
http://www.al.com/auburnbasketball/i...sh_pit_wi.html
Please. First, there wasn't even anyone out there like Pearl available when we were hiring. Second, Auburn right now is a more attractive situation than we were 2 years ago. That's just a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by shannondawg
Third, there aren't a whole lot of programs who would have hired Pearl. It's hilarious to me that Jacobs did it after he got completely self-righteous during the Cam stuff about how clean Auburn is; have fun selling that now. They have made the clear statement that right now wins matter more than anything else. There are a lot of programs who aren't run that way, and ours is one. You may not like that, but honestly I do. And you're going to have to either live with that or cheer for someone else.
The Bruce Pearl hiring is not an absolute homerun. It's only viewed that way on message boards. He now has serious baggage, and it is definitely a roll of the dice. He won't be able to do the same things he did before or else he won't be there long and Auburn's program will be decimated. They are obviously willing to take the risk because of where they've been for so long.
A coach who has had a show-cause prior is potentially radioactive. It's not as though once the show-cause is lifted, everything will be just like it was before for him.
Wish I hadn't watched that video now. Those lucky ****s just hit a grand slam. That video made me sick.Quote:
Originally Posted by HailState39110
Fact? Sounds like an opinion to me considering that before Brick Ray MSU owned Auburn in basketball AND had just recently beaten Bruce Pearl to win the SEC Tournament. It was/is very fresh in his mind that he walked off a loser to MSU in his last chance to win the SECT.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Wow, you must really have some seriously shaded maroon glasses on right now. This whole post is taking this defending Ray thing to a whole other level....Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
It's amazing to me that some of you manage to find your car....Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully01
Where in his post was he "defending Ray"?
You, C34, and Smootness are three that go the complete opposite way defending Ray of the detractors.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Basically, he was calling the Bruce Pearl hire at Auburn not a home run hire. He also basically stated in not so many words that Ray was our best option as coach in our search thus also defending Stricklin in one of the worst coaching search screw ups in MSU history. It will be interesting to see if you and C34 jump off the Ray band wagon when we have another shifty year next year.
So, the "Ray bandwagon" = "people with enough common sense to 'wait and see' after a coach has had a fair amount of time to create a turnaround."Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully01
Like I said the first time -- amazing that you find your car. You couldn't have botched ANY of our actual positions any worse.
I guess that's why it's redundant to argue with people that lack the common sense to understand stuff that has been clearly stated no fewer than 20 times by each of us.
Whatever, it is obvious you won't change my position and I won't change yours. Consider me to never respond to any more of your posts.