Question for the Rick Ray fans

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Originally Posted by SouthMsDawg

Also would like to add that Rick Ray's offense which some of you may love is about as boring of an offense as there is in the SEC. We rarely score in our half court motion offense mainly due to lack of shooters. Most of our points come in transition off of steals. When teams don't turn it over (Georgia in the 2nd half) we struggle.

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Damn it Bundy.

Is the offense "boring" or can we just not shoot? Those are two entirely different things.

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Originally Posted by SouthMsDawg

Also would like to add that Rick Ray's offense which some of you may love is about as boring of an offense as there is in the SEC. We rarely score in our half court motion offense mainly due to lack of shooters. Most of our points come in transition off of steals. When teams don't turn it over (Georgia in the 2nd half) we struggle.

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And let me add that it's not Ray's offense that is the problem- it's our ability to make shots.
With Stands people couldnt stand the fact that we did so much standing around watching someone dribble to create a shot.

Big difference

Nobody is suggesting that our players dont need to get better

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Originally Posted by Coach34

We have moved on- it's time for the Stands-Lovers to do the same. But you wont, and we'll keep having this same argument like we did about Cohen until he shut everybody the **** up like many of us said he would. Hopefully Ray does the same

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At which point, everyone would swear they were on the bandwagon and knew he would get it done all along... lest you go archive digging to see what was actually being said at the time...

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

Are they not getting much participation in these tryouts? When I was in school in the Early/Mid 2000's there were some solid players that play in the Sanderson, and some good shooters. I would suspect nothing has changed in that category. Are these guys just not interested in playing or trying out? Their school is obviously already paid for so something has to be preventing them from wanting to play.

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Ray has tryouts at 6am. He wants to see what walk-ons are willing to do what it takes to be part of the program (like making the 6am workouts that players have to do these days), and not waste his time with ones that may initially think they want to do it- then quit. Needless to say- he has had very few tryout.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

See- this is the core of the problem. You guys are sooooo loyal, insane, touchy, or whatever the descriptive word is that comedy is lost about anything Stansbury. Stains is insulting, as are some others. Stands is just a play on his nickname

Stands is a funny nickname, Nothing more, nothing less. Many of us have talked for years about how there was too much "standing around" in our "motion" offense. And there was. Changing Stans to Stands couldnt be any more of an appropriate name for him. It's not insulting- its just funny. And fitting.

Stands was a solid coach at State for most of his tenure.

Good side- he won an SEC title, a couple of SEC Tourneys, kept a consistent team for the most part, and got us in the Dance 6 times in 14 seasons.

Bad side- He almost never won a big game whether it was vs top 10 teams or in the NCAA Tourney, his SOS was almost always in the bottom 1/3 of the SEC, we only made 2 NCAA's his last 7 seasons and there were lots of discipline problems and drama at the end.

We have moved on- it's time for the Stands-Lovers to do the same. But you wont, and we'll keep having this same argument like we did about Cohen until he shut everybody the **** up like many of us said he would. Hopefully Ray does the same

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Thanks for the rational response - except for the somewhat childish "shut the **** up" statement.

Although, ironically you just contradicted 75% of your own reasoning with the above statement. So I guess I owe you a "Thank you".

I guess this means you've ended debate or conceded the point? Well done. Or, maybe "blah blah blah....

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Originally Posted by engie

And again, you TOTALLY whiff on the overriding point -- in attempt to get caught up in the small details -- from an ENTIRELY different point in time of the two compared tenures.

The fact of the matter is -- you took the exact same approach to Cohen that you are taking to Ray. You didn't learn a damn thing from this the last time.

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Talk about whiffing. I made some remarks about Cohen that look dumb in retrospect, although there were many, many folks unhappy with the direction of the program at the time. Not just me. Not by a long freaking shot.

Where you whif miserably, is claiming it's "the exact same approach...you are taking with Ray". I have not stated anything close to that Ray was the "biggest coaching bust in recent memory". I just haven't. I'm not that happy with Ray, but unlike you mischaracterized, I actually HAVE learned a lesson from the early Cohen tenure and going to reserve final judgement for a little while.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

See- this is the core of the problem. You guys are sooooo loyal, insane, touchy, or whatever the descriptive word is that comedy is lost about anything Stansbury. Stains is insulting, as are some others. Stands is just a play on his nickname

Stands is a funny nickname, Nothing more, nothing less. Many of us have talked for years about how there was too much "standing around" in our "motion" offense. And there was. Changing Stans to Stands couldnt be any more of an appropriate name for him. It's not insulting- its just funny. And fitting.

Stands was a solid coach at State for most of his tenure.

Good side- he won an SEC title, a couple of SEC Tourneys, kept a consistent team for the most part, and got us in the Dance 6 times in 14 seasons.

Bad side- He almost never won a big game whether it was vs top 10 teams or in the NCAA Tourney, his SOS was almost always in the bottom 1/3 of the SEC, we only made 2 NCAA's his last 7 seasons and there were lots of discipline problems and drama at the end.

We have moved on- it's time for the Stands-Lovers to do the same. But you wont, and we'll keep having this same argument like we did about Cohen until he shut everybody the **** up like many of us said he would. Hopefully Ray does the same

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What a bunch of horse shit. Coach, don't be a puss. You call Stansbury derrogatory names to piss off the people that don't hate him. Period. Don't shy away from it. Own it.

Stands and The Recruiter are not derogatory- just very fitting

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Originally Posted by MadDawg

Talk about whiffing. I made some remarks about Cohen that look dumb in retrospect, although there were many, many folks unhappy with the direction of the program at the time. Not just me. Not by a long freaking shot.

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That's been my point about withholding judgement on Ray the entire time -- until he's had a fair amount of time to get it going(year 3).

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Where you whif miserably, is claiming it's "the exact same approach...you are taking with Ray". I have not stated anything close to that Ray was the "biggest coaching bust in recent memory". I just haven't. I'm not that happy with Ray, but unlike you mischaracterized, I actually HAVE learned a lesson from the early Cohen tenure and going to reserve final judgement for a little while.

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I don't even know how you said this with a straight face. While you may not have actually made any "Fire Ray" posts, you have been one of, if not, the MOST outspoken in bitching about the current state our basketball program at every opportunity. It doesn't take the making of any ridiculous logical leaps to assume what you mean by it.

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

You are a ****ing clown, who obviously hasn't stepped foot in the Sanderson. I've noticed a pattern of you commenting on multiple legitimate posts lately. Do you just like to talk shit to stir the pot? And if you'd refrained from responding you would have seen Coach respond with Ray already holding similar tryouts. I don't keep up with much basketball behind the scenes, but I do know there are better players in the Sanderson than a handful of players currently on our roster.

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No, I haven't set foot in the Sanderson. But I did set foot in the Ramsey center plenty of times at UGA, and sure, there are a bunch of guys who seem like good basketball players. And any SEC scholarship basketball player will come in and wipe the floor with them.

I was at UGA at a time when they were arguably the worst SEC basketball team of all-time, almost certainly even worse than our team is currently. Their best player, by a mile, was Sundiata Gaines. And they had a few players who would play at Ramsey from time to time; and every single time, they made a mockery of the rest of the guys in there.

If the players in the Sanderson were any good relative to scholarship college athletes, they would be playing somewhere on scholarship...at least NAIA, D2. Your claim that multiple kids from the freaking Sanderson could show up and be better than several players on our roster is insane.

I try to be rational and thoughtful. I try to avoid name-calling or emotional posts. Yes, I have opinions, sometimes strong ones, and I don't mind sharing them. That's what boards like these are for. But I try not to ever just throw crap against the wall or be a dick for the sake of being a dick. I just argue my side strongly.

But that claim is absurd.

I'm sure he holds tryouts...every coach at every program does. At UGA, they held open tryouts and a couple of kids made the team, one from my dorm. The kid looked like a ridiculous stud at Ramsey. You know how much he played? About 5 minutes that year, when they were getting blown out in a couple of games. Why? Because despite the horrendous makeup of the UGA roster, the kid was nowhere as good as the guys already playing.

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Originally Posted by engie

That's been my point about withholding judgement on Ray the entire time -- until he's had a fair amount of time to get it going(year 3).


I don't even know how you said this with a straight face. While you may not have actually made any "Fire Ray" posts, you have been one of, if not, the MOST outspoken in bitching about the current state our basketball program at every opportunity. It doesn't take the making of any ridiculous logical leaps to assume what you mean by it.

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See. this is the problem when you think you know everything. You don't need any actual statements from me to determine what I think. You just know, because by God, you are engie.

You know, or at least the all-knowing-engie SHOULD know, is that my posts center mostly around when people feel the need to disparage the previous regime in order to make themselves feel better about the current one. It's not being honest. It's not accurate. It's lazy. And I like to call people out on it.

Now taking this position routinely puts me in your cross-hairs. Why? I'm not really sure except for the fact that you routinely use disparaging remarks against the old regime to prop up the new one, because, frankly, there isn't any real data to support it.

Same tired old arguments, how many times has "fighting in the stands" been brought up in the past year. Two guys fighting is not that unusual, just getting caught on tv was extremely unlucky for our school, but to have that as Rick Stansbury's legacy is criminal.

Rick has a choice and took retirement. But we would have all been better off if he had stayed one more year, the tumor was gone, he would have retained a couple of more recruits and probably kept Hood, Then if the ship was not righted, we would have been in a much better position to hire a coach with more experience,.

It might not matter to you young guys , but we (and in fairness to him and to ourselves we have to)give Ray two more years and the program has not progressed, are we faced with another four years of building the program then another and another and so on.

Happy? How could anybody be with this situation, other than the ones that have a Rick Stansbury vendetta. And Coach34 your cute name for him may be funny to you as you keep insisting, but I assure you its not to a great majority.

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Originally Posted by shannondawg

Same tired old arguments, how many times has "fighting in the stands" been brought up in the past year. Two guys fighting is not that unusual, just getting caught on tv was extremely unlucky for our school, but to have that as Rick Stansbury's legacy is criminal.

Rick has a choice and took retirement. But we would have all been better off if he had stayed one more year, the tumor was gone, he would have retained a couple of more recruits and probably kept Hood, Then if the ship was not righted, we would have been in a much better position to hire a coach with more experience,.

It might not matter to you young guys , but we (and in fairness to him and to ourselves we have to)give Ray two more years and the program has not progressed, are we faced with another four years of building the program then another and another and so on.

Happy? How could anybody be with this situation, other than the ones that have a Rick Stansbury vendetta. And Coach34 your cute name for him may be funny to you as you keep insisting, but I assure you its not to a great majority.

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And same ol tired bullshit from you guys.

A) Stands had a choice- retire or be fired. If you call that a choice- ok.

B) It's not just the fighting in the bleachers. It's also:

The Sporting News labeled us the "most dysfunctional program in America"
Gottlieb and Katz were laughing at us on ESPN about Stands
Jimmy Dykes on SEC telecasts routinely pointing out Sidney being lazy and walking up the floor during games
Players calling out the coaches on twitter
Players ignoring the coaches during time-outs
The program was ranked 2 of the last 3 seasons and neither team made the NCAA Tourney

And that's not his "legacy"- but that is why his tenure ended.

C) We would have been no better off had we let him coach another year. We still had a rampant drug problem and guys that didnt work hard.

D) If Ray doesnt work out- it wont be another 4 year rebuild- we wont be starting at Ground Zero like Stands left us. The next coach will be in much better position to get things going because he will take over a program based on effort and hard work.

E) There is no Rick Stansbury vendetta. That's comical. We just pointed out the problems with the program- which of course ended up being his undoing

F) I dont know a State fan that follows basketball that doesnt find "Stands" hilarious and fitting...

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Originally Posted by dawgs

i don't think ray took a big career chance. he wasn't anywhere near getting another major conference HC gig, he's being compensated well above his assistant coach salary, and if he can't turn us around and gets fired, he'll still be able to go back to being an assistant coach.

as for the 5 mcdonald's AA comment, we still wouldn't be landing many McD's AA, but our admin is hamstringing ray's recruiting by limiting his AAU contacts. it's just impossible to to recruit above avg major conference talent without getting in bed with AAU. it's dirty, but it's necessary.

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It's pretty much sink or swim when it come to HC jobs in the NCAA. Regardless of age, so yeah, he did take a big career chance.

So you know that is was be fired or retire? Prove it..

The media never takes an incident and makes the most of it?

You know that we would have been no better off, the coach that has the most wins in our history would have had better players and wouldn't have had a better team?

After this hire, what makes you think he would make a better one next time and even so, what makes you so sure that the program is going to be in better shape when Rick Ray leaves if in fact he does.? Rick Stansbury had a pretty good recruiting class coming in when he left, you sure Rick Ray will? All that hard work is paying off in spades now isn't it and all the genius X & O's, only thing about those X & O's , the ball don't necessarily go in the hole...

Listen you bullshit your friends and I'll do the same with mine, but don't try to tell me you don't have a vendetta against Rick Stansbury.

I think enough people on this board have told you they don't think your little pet name is funny to negate that statement, all your little message board disciples may think its funny, but don't take a poll you might be embarrassed..

I'd like to see that poll taken outside the Civic Center after the Butler loss.

Truer words have never been spoken. Of course, this is coach34's board so he can attract all his buddies but some of us are open minded and your posts on this shannondawg at least explore all sides. If indeed Katz and Gottlieb said we were the most dysfunctional program in America, I wonder if that was only during the Sidney saga. All the drug issues coach yells about are about the same Coach Ray has had, as well and countless other programs. Sidney being lazy, it was obvious but he was benched if you remember for an extended period and he simply wouldn't change. He was history no matter who was our coach when Stans left. All of this vendetta has been going on for a decade but it is pretty clear that coach Ray has certainly being judged a lot differently by coach and his cronies and I wonder why? I think we know why, some folks will never ever admit they re wrong about anything. We all know who they are. The fact remains, Ray will get one or two more years, but we are the worst basketball team I have seen at MSU during my lifetime and we can blame Stans all we want to, but there comes a time when the current coach has to be held accountable and I suspect a year or two from now we will still be trying to get back where we were even in Stans' below average years. Not winning many games in the big dance pales in comparision to being the laughing stock of the SEC and if we can't even compete in the weakest SEC in decades, how are we going to do any better? At least we had success in the conference most years and when we lined up against Kentucky, most folks thought we competed. We aren't even close now.

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Originally Posted by shannondawg

So you know that is was be fired or retire? Prove it..

The media never takes an incident and makes the most of it?

You know that we would have been no better off, the coach that has the most wins in our history would have had better players and wouldn't have had a better team?

After this hire, what makes you think he would make a better one next time and even so, what makes you so sure that the program is going to be in better shape when Rick Ray leaves if in fact he does.? Rick Stansbury had a pretty good recruiting class coming in when he left, you sure Rick Ray will? All that hard work is paying off in spades now isn't it and all the genius X & O's, only thing about those X & O's , the ball don't necessarily go in the hole...

Listen you bullshit your friends and I'll do the same with mine, but don't try to tell me you don't have a vendetta against Rick Stansbury.

I think enough people on this board have told you they don't think your little pet name is funny to negate that statement, all your little message board disciples may think its funny, but don't take a poll you might be embarrassed..

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Well I was there , and I would have voted no.

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Originally Posted by shannondawg

So you know that is was be fired or retire? Prove it..

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The conversation was relayed to me by someone who would know. There wouldnt be all this butthurt by you and rest if Stands had simply decided to retire. Stop with the bullshit- it makes you look worse than you already do.

The media was talking about numerous incidents- not just that one. You dont get labeled "most dysfunctional program in America" over one incident. Shirley you arent that naive.

The program is already in better shape from an effort and drug use standpoint. The guys are on a real strength program also now thank goodness.

I could argue all day but you, but like Coastgeezer you arent going to change your mind. Just sit back and watch Ray make the program better. Thank for your support thru the years to Miss State- hopefully you still are.

C'mon CoastGeezer- we arent worse than we were in 80's when Delta State beat us. You guys are bullshit heavy tonight

And the drug issues have been from the Stands players- those are ones that have been dismissed.

I'm glad he had some success and loved every minute of it. But times change and era's change and Rick had his time. It came and went and now it's time to get behind Ray just as we supported the Stansbury hire.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

C'mon CoastGeezer- we arent worse than we were in 80's when Delta State beat us. You guys are bullshit heavy tonight

And the drug issues have been from the Stands players- those are ones that have been dismissed.

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I attended that game and having Gerald Glass on the DSU roster is what got Murphy the ole miss gig. What's funny about that is nobody wanted Glass because he was too short (even though he ended up with a prolonged nba career).
Nobody seems to be able to nail down Mississippi recruiting in any sport, even to this day.

And nobody in the sec would offer glass a scholarship out of high school even though everyone in the delta was screaming, this guy is good!

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Originally Posted by Coach34

The conversation was relayed to me by someone who would know. There wouldnt be all this butthurt by you and rest if Stands had simply decided to retire. Stop with the bullshit- it makes you look worse than you already do.

The media was talking about numerous incidents- not just that one. You dont get labeled "most dysfunctional program in America" over one incident. Shirley you arent that naive.

The program is already in better shape from an effort and drug use standpoint. The guys are on a real strength program also now thank goodness.

I could argue all day but you, but like Coastgeezer you arent going to change your mind. Just sit back and watch Ray make the program better. Thank for your support thru the years to Miss State- hopefully you still are.

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Well I got it first hand that it wasn't.

Oh, I enjoyed every minute of these losses from all the effort and drug free environment, however not as much I use to enjoy winning. And Oh, the strength program is really paying off in dividends , can't you just see how we are much stronger in the 2nd half in all these games. Refresh my memory, did Ray hire a new strength coach or just keep the one that we had with Stansbury?

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Originally Posted by Coach34

And same ol tired bullshit from you guys.

A) Stands had a choice- retire or be fired. If you call that a choice- ok.

B) It's not just the fighting in the bleachers. It's also:

The Sporting News labeled us the "most dysfunctional program in America"
Gottlieb and Katz were laughing at us on ESPN about Stands
Jimmy Dykes on SEC telecasts routinely pointing out Sidney being lazy and walking up the floor during games
Players calling out the coaches on twitter
Players ignoring the coaches during time-outs
The program was ranked 2 of the last 3 seasons and neither team made the NCAA Tourney

And that's not his "legacy"- but that is why his tenure ended.

C) We would have been no better off had we let him coach another year. We still had a rampant drug problem and guys that didnt work hard.

D) If Ray doesnt work out- it wont be another 4 year rebuild- we wont be starting at Ground Zero like Stands left us. The next coach will be in much better position to get things going because he will take over a program based on effort and hard work.

E) There is no Rick Stansbury vendetta. That's comical. We just pointed out the problems with the program- which of course ended up being his undoing

F) I dont know a State fan that follows basketball that doesnt find "Stands" hilarious and fitting...

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I am tired of reading all this BS, but I have to post before I leave the site.

On F above, you are wrong. Not funny. I do have one question - Does C34 or Engie care more about State or this Board? If the Board, then they will keep posting this crap to create more focus/fighting on the Board. If State, then they will focus on Rick Ray and quit bashing Rick Stansbury. Let's see what they do. Because I can tell you, the more people like them bash RS, the more it hurts State's program. Because of bashers like them or these other dolts that say "I would rather see a team hustle than our old teams that didn't hustle even though we just lost to Ga by 20 at home", it keeps driving a wedge in our fan base. People aren't attending games - fact. Keep this up and it will only get worse. I can say this for a fact - I have talked to 6 close friends (2 with their names inside our athletic buildings and 1 on the highest academic scholarship a kid can get at State) and they gave up a total of 26 of the most expensive lower level tickets (plus Bulldog Club fees) to State basketball games. I kept my 4 to be supportive, but I am giving them up next year. I CHALLENGE C34 and Engie to buy them (plus the Bulldog fees), so they can watch this team coached by a coach they claim to be Coach K/Wooden. PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS! And, let's see what you care more about.

It's hard to tell since there weren't any players left on the roster.

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Originally Posted by shannondawg

Well I got it first hand that it wasn't.

Oh, I enjoyed every minute of these losses from all the effort and drug free environment, however not as much I use to enjoy winning. And Oh, the strength program is really paying off in dividends , can't you just see how we are much stronger in the 2nd half in all these games. Refresh my memory, did Ray hire a new strength coach or just keep the one that we had with Stansbury?

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Well, what I got was from one of the men in the room...Soooooo, if Stands just "retired" why all the butthurt? Why all venom at the program and Ray? What all the "Stands needed to coach another year" rhetoric? Shirley you are mad at Stands for retiring and leaving the program like he did huh?????

As far as the strength coach- Ray is actually letting the strength coach do his job for a change. The players no longer decide if they workout or not. You wont see players like Swat telling the world- "I didnt lift weights in college" like he did at that NBA combine. Embarrassing

Or by 50 to Alabama? On national tv like our previous coach did? Now that's hustling. Did they give up the tickets at that time?

Hell, Ray could pick five from Sanderson on game day and do better than that.

Well so did I , and there weren't that many in the room.. I was both happy for him and sad that he was leaving , but was not mad , the only thing that really bothered me was what happened after he left and what was hired..

Maybe they are just lifting and practicing too hard. Maybe they should leave something for the games. You get embarrassed by statements like that, why go around gloating about them?

I just bet you are strutting around like a little peacock with all the hard and drug free play they are putting out these days. That's all we hear from you now is hard work, hard play, drug free, when did the word winning leave your vocabulary?

You asked for it and got your wish, hope you are enjoying this. I really can't say I am.. But you hoping is correct , I am supporting the program. Are you?

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Originally Posted by shannondawg

You asked for it and got your wish, hope you are enjoying this. I really can't say I am.. But you hoping is correct , I am supporting the program. Are you?

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Ray's clock starts next November- We'll see what he is made of then. Stands left him a helluva hole and he is working hard to climb out.

And I am absolutely supporting the program. And Rick Ray. You should try it sometime

As you said this could go on all night, my main beef is I just don't like seeing Stansbury name dragged thru the mud as you and your bunch continue to do.

I just remember all the tremendous games we had both at the Hump and away, they were very happy times for me. Just very sorry that folk like you and Schutzy couldn't enjoy them and only remember and enjoy the memory of the losing ones, but to each his own I guess...

Anyway, I do enjoy sparring with you and if you ever do make it to a game stop by and visit.

I said it on Sixpack and I will say it here, coach is obsessed with Stansbury. Can't figure out why but I would doubt he has gone one week since Stans left without figuring a way to bring him up and bash him. Mcdawg who said let's move on is right ,but I do know folks like Shannondawg still give big bucks to the program so they put their money where their mouth is. However, having to watch a proud program disintegrate like it is now, hurts all of us and I will wait to see how big as man coach is if this experiment fails. I hope it doesn't, but I have seen nothing to make me think it won't. Two years and not one new player really contributing is sad. That falls on Coach Ray and not anybody else.

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Originally Posted by shannondawg

As you said this could go on all night, my main beef is I just don't like seeing Stansbury name dragged thru the mud as you and your bunch continue to do.

I just remember all the tremendous games we had both at the Hump and away, they were very happy times for me. Just very sorry that folk like you and Schutzy couldn't enjoy them and only remember and enjoy the memory of the losing ones, but to each his own I guess...

Anyway, I do enjoy sparring with you and if you ever do make it to a game stop by and visit.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

C'mon CoastGeezer- we arent worse than we were in 80's when Delta State beat us. You guys are bullshit heavy tonight

And the drug issues have been from the Stands players- those are ones that have been dismissed.

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Who on this team could keep Glass from scoring fifty? All Delta St would have to do is throw up a packed in zone, then get the rebound and Glass would score. Don't kid yourself , this team would have a hard time beating any Bulldog teams of the past. When you can't score more than fifty points a game your ass will tote a loss.

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Originally Posted by shannondawg

Well I got it first hand that it wasn't.

Oh, I enjoyed every minute of these losses from all the effort and drug free environment, however not as much I use to enjoy winning. And Oh, the strength program is really paying off in dividends , can't you just see how we are much stronger in the 2nd half in all these games. Refresh my memory, did Ray hire a new strength coach or just keep the one that we had with Stansbury?

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I can answer the last part for ya. No we have the same strength coach. I know him. he has said that its like night and day now with RR than with Stands. Guys are actually held accountable for working out and doing what they are told. The reason Balis was such a good strength coach is that Mullen gave him full say so over the program. What Bails said the kids did.. no if's and's or but's from them or the coaching staff..
Also our strength coach actually tried to find work elsewhere back when Stands was the coach.
Do you not think FT has gotten bigger and stronger from his frosh year to this year.?? yes he has

And the statement about walking to the Sanderson center and finding someone who can just come over and play for us is ridiculous. Yeah there may be a couple guys in there that can knock down a few shots and probably a few that could make our squad. But the transition from basically street ball to organized ball is night and day. I know I played both. Although it was only Juco and when I got to State I played in the old tin gym.
You put Tyson Cunningham in the Sanderson center , no one in there would be able to guard him..
And I bet when or if RR did have open tryouts and some of those guys did tryout they probably say just how different its is..
and before someone goes with the walk on kicker in football comparison , its not even close to being the same...

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Ray's clock starts next November- We'll see what he is made of then. Stands left him a helluva hole and he is working hard to climb out.

And I am absolutely supporting the program. And Rick Ray. You should try it sometime

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Been sitting back enjoying the discussion but saying a million dollar coaches "clock" starts two years after he is hired is laughable.

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Originally Posted by TheDogFather

Been sitting back enjoying the discussion but saying a million dollar coaches "clock" starts two years after he is hired is laughable.

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he is the lowest paid coach in the SEC..

I thought maybe the article by and ex SEC player may stop all this silly 1st grade BS about our bball program. Someone who may actually know a few things about what its like in college sports. I see it still hasn't
RR got left a dumpster fire. If some of you don't want to believe that then so be it. He has been here all of about 18 months. He is not playing with with a full deck. He is going to be here another 2 years. If he cant get it done in that time frame then he should and probably will be gone..
We have some pieces in place like BH said. We have an SEC point guard, a solid 4, and solid 3. We need a shooter , a big , and some depth.
Some of you are going to bitch about RR until he is gone even if he wins 20+ games next few years. That's your opinion. But I swear I think some of you would rather we lose games just so you could bitch and complain and say told ya so than actually want us to win.. If that's the case keep all this BS you post to yourself we are all tired of reading it...

Can we all not just agree that it was time for Stans to go but thank him for his time at State? He did a lot for State but he had plateaued. There's no reason to continually bash him (myself included). We made a new hire, and Ray is now our coach. Whether he can succeed or not, he needs support. If he doesn't succeed, we will try again. But it is annoying as hell to have a new argument over the same damn thing after every single game. Neither side of the argument is budging. It's been going on for two years now. At some point you just have to agree to disagree and move on. It's extremely ridiculous for anyone to hope certain outcomes happen either way so that one side can say "I told you so."

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Originally Posted by shannondawg

As you said this could go on all night, my main beef is I just don't like seeing Stansbury name dragged thru the mud as you and your bunch continue to do.

I just remember all the tremendous games we had both at the Hump and away, they were very happy times for me. Just very sorry that folk like you and Schutzy couldn't enjoy them and only remember and enjoy the memory of the losing ones, but to each his own I guess...

Anyway, I do enjoy sparring with you and if you ever do make it to a game stop by and visit.

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We enjoyed his successful years as well and have acknowledged them. The point is that it's still way too early to be getting on Ray's case. It's too early to bash Ray precisely because of how bad of shape the previous coach left the program. It's not bashing Stansbury to say that, it's just an undeniable fact. One can come to this realization and still appreciate Stansbury's good years fondly.

But don't tell us you're embarrassed by our new coach when he is the one working his ass off trying to clean up the mess somebody else left behind. That's infuriating as hell to me. One and a half years is a very short period of time for a coach taking over under these circumstances.

When I make reference to Stansbury's bad losses, like the 50 point loss to Alabama, it's to point out how dumb it is to be embarrassed by a twenty point loss during a rebuilding period. Not to just make some ad-hominem attack on Rick Stansbury. It's one game. It happens.