Except these days there is Zero way to predict the win loss record for any team. I tend to agree on your prediction, but we could go 9-3 because half those teams could suck!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
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Except these days there is Zero way to predict the win loss record for any team. I tend to agree on your prediction, but we could go 9-3 because half those teams could suck!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
100%. The real shot callers.
Edited to say this is toward CourseSuper referencing the boosters. Thought I quoted him.
I like Lebby and support him but if we lose to Minnesota he needs to be thrown into Lake Minnetonka. That needs to be a statement game.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Big issue after Leach death, yes, but I still put the blame on Keenum. When you're the freaking PRESIDENT of the entire university you need to have the brass balls to make the hard decisions. Imagine if we took our lump in 2023 (which ended up being a terrible season anyway) instead of putting the rebuild off an entire year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
We've got to start 3-1 at a minimum (and really need to be 4-0) if we want any real shot at a winning record.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
Granted, you never know in the portal/NIL era, but in all likelihood games 5 through 8 are losses, while games 9 through 11 seem like opportunities to pick up a win. But you know Vanderbilt and Auburn fans are counting us as a win. (And Missouri, South Carolina, and Minnesota fans probably are too.)
Right now, I think we probably pick up an early road win to get excited, play Missouri hard but lose close, don't get totally embarrassed in October, finish 4-8 or 5-7, and have all of the same arguments all over again ("we're improved!" and "we didn't pay for good enough talent!" and "the schedule was hard!" vs. "Now he's 4-24 against p4 teams!").
His recruiting all these young guys- while talented- they are still young tells me he is being led to believe he has at least 2 more seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
If you believe your job is on the line- you go with the best game ready vets you can find
That's what he should be doing regardless. We are paying year to year at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
If he repeats this year for next year?..the apathy will be at an all time low for the last 30 years. Worse than Croom levels because we aren?t on probation and there is a faster solution if you can take advantage through the portal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Yea - and folks wonder why I'm suddenly one of the angriest on the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Thats laughable. Croom hit 1960 level lows. You couldnt give away tickets in 2005Quote:
Originally Posted by SPMT
You cant now. You won?t be able to if this year is repeated and he is retained.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Disagree, we were on the downswing at that point. It might be slow improvement, but we're on an upswing to where we were 3 years ago. There's hope in some young talent and flashes with a young head coach. We need to improve no doubt, but to act like we're at an all time low is crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPMT
It looks like we're raising our floor with what we've brought in. We need a good LT, Edge, and OF skill player to raise our ceiling.
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As bad as we have been the last 3 years, it is still not Croom level bad. It wasn’t even just Croom himself but the 3 years before him were awful too. 2001-2008 was just an awful stretch of Miss State football until we hired Byrne and Mullen.
I'll take em.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPMT
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Originally Posted by Coach34
He's straddling the 2 theories. He knows he needs experience and is bringing some in(looking at more). But he also knows the importance of building. It's like KT at the beginning of this season. He was not going to start but we knew he would be our guy. These talented young people are starters for 2027 and rotation this year. It will be the first year at an opportunity to be really deep.
He?s not straddling any theories, he?s improving the roster at every available scholarship regardless of eligibility. This is why we?ve had 50+ new players for consecutive years, because we?ve got to elevate the bottom of the roster while at the same time making investments into immediate difference makers. Essentially he?s signing 4 classes in 2 years because of how bad of shape the roster was.
Ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rawdawg
What improvement on the OL have we made definitively? We go from Cannon Boone, Albert Reese half the season, and unproven guys to.... Cannon Boone and unproven guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rawdawg
There's a reason my opinion relies on getting Seaton or another LT with good PRODUCTION.
Chester is not unproven as an SEC starter. McVey has played a lot of snaps in the ACC, at worst he's a very solid back up and helps depth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tater
We have definitively improved our depth with power 4 players. We signed flyers after spring practice last year because of the shape of the o line. If you get Seaton, you get to point to an instant impact NFL player. If not you at minimum raised the level of talent in the room.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tater
Mason Barton is an NFL talent too. So either one should be an improvement?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rawdawg
Yea, bringing in a bunch of guys that need a year to develop is quite risky these days given they can all hit the portal again next year if they so choose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Some of them are Mississippi kids who honestly should have gone to MSU to start with.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
Seaton still at Miami visting or at LSU now?
CorrectamundoQuote:
Originally Posted by Rawdawg
That's crazy- we damn near got to 6-6 and also played in a bowl game. Lots of improvement and optimism. And as Rawdawg noted- he's had to totally rebuild the roster in two recruiting classes.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPMT
I went to one game during the Croom years in Starkville. Nobody wanted to watch that pitiful shit. At least this year's team scored 30 PPG. Thats 2 seasons in Croom years
Chester started at Center his freshman year and we return Boone. Center and Guard are much different responsibilities and this coaching staff doesn't inspire confidence that they can coach a guy to swap positions well. Not giving them the benefit of the doubt here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
I think the problem is people look at this as black and white whether or not he's the right man for the job. "He's doing X, Y, Z and that's what had to be done and how can yall dare want to fire him?" vs. "He's not doing A, B, C and keeps not doing them and if you can't see that if he won't fix those then you're naive."Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
He's got things he's doing. Things that had to be done that were what he signed up for. He also has things that he's not doing that he has to do. We have to compete every year and enter the season with at least hope we can break right and make the playoffs. The two mulligans are over. Nut up or shut up year - so take the next step.
Turning over the roster twice is fine. This is the third time and each has improved mildly - but there needs to be the obvious leap into turning us into a contender.
Oh I totally disagree, Chester can definitely play guard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tater
Here's hoping you're right. Like I said I'd love Seaton because I trust him to play LT. There's also the Brandon Sneh who would be good to battle for RT spot. If we got both of those that changes the delta a lot because then you're teaching two guys to start guard rather than 4 guys to be guards / tackles as starters. Not saying Sneh would perfectly translate but it's something to be said about starting at his age. I'm recruiting those 2 guys hard because having them takes our offensive basement from disaster / relying on QB runs only to good and potential for balance. Ceiling can then be best in SEC if things break right. But gotta get jimmies and joes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Apparently Sneh is like 6'2. Are you talking about the kid from Jackson State?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tater
Maybe. Brain is fuzzy on which G5/FCS starter we were looking that had production at OT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tripp McNeely
Chester has also played at LT. He played over 900 snaps in 2024. Roughly 300 in 2025 with a coaching staff that was fired. He will be fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tater
Seaton headed to LSU next. Only time we have ever pulled a player over those 2 is when it was a player from Mississippi. I dont like the odds
If he can get similar money from a blue blood it’s hard seeing him signing with us. Not unless our final offer is way more as some suggest.
Oh yeah. There's no chance we're getting him. But it was cool for a minute to be mentioned. That's what we need to keep doing to help the program image.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Just getting him on campus and making some national college football news was worth it.
Can we get the LT from Jackson State?
Agreed. We need more of this. Perception is a real thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame