The argument here is - did any player who didn't get hurt show real improvement throughout the year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
KT definitely improved throughout the year. Anthony Evans felt like he improved some. Defensively I'm not sure I know anyone who really did. We did change DC.
But the other side of that - injury management - we didn't do well there and that does ultimately fall on the coach's S&C program.
Ok, try and stay in one lane. Poster stated "if he had eaten up clock" and I said "if he had and lost..." then he and others like you would've said "we went too conservative".Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Oh no, he's drunk and arguing with himself it appears.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Here is where you lose people. Most normal people see Y1 for what it was- a complete rebuild where he hardly spent any NIL money. It was a throw away and everybody knew it going in- especially our AD. But- what was expected was improvement in Y2. Our AD telling people we need more money. We got to invest in football. Guess what? Thats what we got. This year while not great was a success. Next year? Need to find some guys that can play and find a way to win a few games. What does that take? More money and resources. More front office personnel. Beamer demanded it at SC and got it. We better step it up also or nothing will change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
I mean, any situation which involves losing a game when we lead by 17 with 10 minutes to go is going to cause a lot of consternation from the fanbase. But if he had at least not kept snapping it with 20 seconds left on the play clock (with the game clock running), it wouldn't have seem so stupidly self-inflicted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
If the offense can't work while taking time off the clock, that's on the head coach, any head coach.
Yes I think yall are agreeing here. The problem is that Lebby made the decisions that ends in losses more than wins. So do the opposite will be the surface complaint but the real root is that people are complaining we have a loser.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
It also takes a coach who won't shoot the team in the foot. I hope Lebby enrolls in some remedial coaching strategy courses this Spring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I mean, if you were our coach this past year, we would have won 6 or 7 games. You know to run out the clock when up 17. You know that you've got to get the FG at least attempted when down 3 in range. I'm not asking Lebby to become Nick Saban.
Lebby has 12 months to improve drastically and with the schedule for next year I'm not certain he'll make it. We need to start a search committee now and get ahead of the search. Thankfully the SEC schools had the major turnover this year. SC may be our competition for a coach. The loser of that game is probably 95% getting fired.
You know I totally agree with you about the Texas game. But some coaches- not just Lebby- dont want to alter their philosophy. And his is to play fast. It can certainly win you games- but it cost us vs Texas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
At the end of the day football needs more resources. No matter who the coach is.
I'm pulling for him. I don't think he will succeed, but I wanna be wrong. I convinced myself he'd have us ready last night, and he let me down againQuote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
The **** we need a committee for? It's 1. Mullen, 2. Eric Morris, 3. Jerry Mack. There job done. Mack would take our job if given the opportunity next year - no need to search any deeper.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
I think the point was clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
Same, but he's lost me as well. He's having to learn too much on the job and hasn't improved enough. He's measured with win & losses and potential is no longer acceptable in year 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Offensive system: Won @ ArkansasQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Head Coaching Decisions: Lost @ Florida, Lost vs. Texsa, Lost vs. Tenn, Lost vs. Aggy (go dig up the thread about our shitty run designs which was again a problem last night), Lost vs. WF, TBD if his decision cost us KT Y2 and a bunch of losses prematurely, Won @ ASU
That same OL got us a 17 pt lead on TX with 900 to play. That loss is all on Lebby. Any other take is just a false narrative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Not saying OL can't get better but we had a freaking 17 pt lead middle of 4th. No excuse. Tenn and UF same.
Lol, I'm fine with that. We need an actual head coachQuote:
Originally Posted by Tater
We could hire two of those on Monday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tater
Eric Morris isnt leaving his new job for StarkVegas
Yes but when you lack depth on the offensive line guess when that shows up? The fourth quarter.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
My biggest problem with this team is we weren't anywhere near as good last night as we were mid season. That's foretelling.
You make the call and move to option #3. Mack would be a good hire for 3 years before he hopefully won enough to go to greener pastures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
It was also all the 5 star players waking up on that tx teamQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
The funny thing about this, is that the fire leach crew was the same as the fire Lebby outside of you. LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
The days of - need more time - is overstated now. For example, the Chiz said in a post-game analysis during the season for one of our games that we were doing things the right way by giving Lebby time to build. Well, historically speaking he was mostly correct on that comment, but not now and not at Miss St. You can't build anything now, except a brand new team every single season for 25M to 40M dollars. Mississippi State cannot do this. It's too much money and you have to have a bonafide group of coaches and salesmen in place, first. We don't have either one, with maybe Arnett as a partial exception. You know pretty quick if you have a winner.
No it's not - there is a general inverse relationship (not 100% of people, but most) between people's opinions on Lebby and opinions on Leach. Remember that "it's all Leach's fault" has been excuse #1 for the Lebby supporters for 16 months now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brobi-wan
Year 1 was a roster turnover problem, yes. This year we were some bad coaching decisions and poor player decision making away from a winning season. If we are not 7-5 next year Lebby will be gone. You don’t have to worry about itQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Interesting. But not surprising.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brobi-wan
Actually there is a blend that will work. What we need is experience from winning programs. We are now allowed 105 players. SO.. We get to dig deep into lower divisions and pay less. We just need great eval.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
Example here is a 65% passer... threw it 450 times this year and 25 Tds. 3,400 yards. He is 6'5" 240 Jr. Rushed for another 2 TDs. He is a DII player.
There is a fast WR Jaylen Himes. 66 catches for 1200 yards as a FR. DII. Now has some D1 offers.
There is a JR RB.. 6'1" 230lbs over 2000 yards rushing with 28 rushing TDs. He is built.
You have to go tht route to find some depth. You continue to pull in HS plyers. You spend your bigger dollars on the lines.
Keeping improving the win total. We aren't firing him if he keeps doing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Maybe so. But we aren't firing a coach who took over the worst roster in the sec (probably P4) and improved from 2-10 to 5-7. Nor should we. If he doesn't improve next year, we can move off him. But it's not happening right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
Anybody who truly wants to know if there were improvements can look up the truth. We were much improved on offense. That's verifiable via the numbers and rankings.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
I thought the WR looked better. Williams and McGee looked good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
Thought OL looked worse. Loadholt sucks.
Rest were about the same.
Several WR improved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tater
KT improved.
Kelly jones improved.
Safeties improved.
OL did not.
DL did not.
Lockhart improved.
I'll ask you a question I've asked others: If Lebby had beaten Toledo and Arkansas in 2024, is the case to keep him stronger or weaker?Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
4-8 to 5-7 isn't nearly the "improvement" as 2-10 to 5-7, but surely we're all a lot MORE comfortable with a coach with a better resume, not LESS, right?
KT was betterQuote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Probably stronger. It would have taken at least 50 to beat Toledo and 70 to beat Arkansas. Had he put up those points with the 2024 roster, I would think he was a magician.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Weird hypothetical.
Well, we beat Northern Illinois 38-10 and Arkansas on the road this year. In addition to a decent USM team on the road in what was I'm sure their Super Bowl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
It is what it is.
AGAIN- eliminate Y1 on Lebby. Our Admin has. He is being judged on 2025 and 2026
I'm only giving Loadholt another chance because of when he was brought in. It looks like we have some good OL prospects visiting this weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
More of the same next year then we're probably moving on with more than Loadholt anyway.
It's not weird at all, because it shows the weakness of the "he improved!" argument. The Toledo game was where a lot of our fans realized that Lebby was never going to be a good coach for us, because despite our troubles, we really shouldn't have lost to a mid-level MAC team at all, or if we did, it should have at least been a fluky game rather than a complete embarrassment.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
I'd feel more comfortable with 5-7 in 2025 if he hadn't needed such a big "improvement" (but still worst team in the SEC by FPI, 66th to 49th or maybe a little worse after they update it through the bowls) over 2024, but I don't know what the "he improved" copers would be saying instead.