We're actually going to be close to 25 million.Quote:
Originally Posted by Activated Alpha
Which is almost double what Indiana spent this year per 247
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We're actually going to be close to 25 million.Quote:
Originally Posted by Activated Alpha
Which is almost double what Indiana spent this year per 247
Cry me a river.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Is that total for all sports or just for football? Is that just NIL or includes donor contributions also? For 23-24 we were at $23MM total. So if we spent $15MM on football then $8MM went to other sports. That ranked us 34th in total spending. We sure did not realize that kind of performance value last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
We will spend over 20 million on just football.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
15-16 million of that will be rev share, meaning State Excellence Fund. The rest will be NIL, meaning from the collective.
Makes sense......for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Kinda proving Coach's point on this. We beat literally everyone we outspent this season. 4 non con's and Arkansas, and lost to everyone that outspent us. (Assuming Arizona State didn't outspend us, which they may have)Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
Arguing that "we may be at the bottom of the SEC but not the country!", when 9 of our games every year going forward are SEC GAMES, is not a good argument. We are poor overall bc we play in the SEC and are dead last, or second to last.
So Lebby actually did a jam up job to have us in nail biters with #1, #4, and #9.
Especially with a bottom tier budget and a nincompoop as DC. Matter of fact, the Hutzler hire may be his only negative at this point considering the budget and cupboard he took over.
Exactly. Totally ignores the fact that we were IN position to beat TX and UF was because of Lebby to begin with... and stand toe to toe with TN and beat ASU.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEDawg
Florida was a bad team this year! There's nothing impressive about a close loss to them. Not only did they fire their coach, 2 teams who beat them also fired their coaches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
I can get the argument that playing Texas close is at least something in Lebby's favor, but I still go back to the fact that all he had to do is run out the clock, and he just couldn't do it.
Money wasn't the reason we lost to Texas, Florida, or TN. Our coach wet the bed.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
The kid on the left, looking up to the Pirate is the TTU NIL King. He is something like 25M of the 35M they spend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
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So how much will it cost us to get to top 25? That's where the playoff is headed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
How much are we paying Zach?
What are these numbers exactly? And from where?Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
They aren't roster prices for 2025.
Their roster had better players, they spent more in NIL and it was on the road. Were they playing bad, yes. Were they the better team in paper, also yes. Was it Lebby's play calling that got us in position to win, yes. Was it a dumb decision to throw the ball at the end of the game? Yes. Should Shapen had thrown it away so we could kick the FG instead of throwing it to a D lineman? YesQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
I think our portal recruiting has way more bearing than the DC, if Lebby and crew will be here next year. Not that DC doesn?t count but the good players will count more.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
That is one example; name another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Also can you explain Indiana with a 49 and 36 ranked last two signings?
Florida was a bad team this year. They were also more talented than us. Florida also won the national championship in basketball last year because of the transfer portal and NIL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Indiana signed a high 4 star qb transfer who is the odds on favorite to win the Heisman.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
Indiana built a solid foundation last year and was able to use the portal to fill immediate needs, not trying to completely overhaul a roster like we have to do. So ranking don’t always tell the whole story. I’m not saying the guy can’t coach because they are tight and gelled. Play fast hard and together.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
Tough day for the Air Raid cult who seemingly doesn't have the brain capacity to understand that we're bringing back Arnett to be our DC, which he was quite good at, and not our HC.
Ive rarely agree with your takes in the past but this one seems like the easiest thing to understand and yet our fanbase just can't wrap their heads around it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
We had no talent on the defensive line, the amount of giving up certain things and taking certain risks in our scheming this year was to cover up a pretty bad DL that lost its only legit D lineman two games in. It's hard to field a competent D when you don't have horses in the trenches.
Bottom line is if you want to see an improved defense you have to go out and buy the dudes.
Arnett will do his job well if we get him the horses, if we don't we'll be singing the same song and dance.
Lebby is the guy we just need to get a few more dudes on both lines. We don't have the talent to survive bad in game decisions that all coaches make.
Our 2025 roster was 17 million and we did not spend all of our money because we couldn't get players that were worth the money we had left to accept it. You have to show proof of concept to players. I think we have done that and should be able to get better players this go round. It was not easy to get players with options to agree to come here after a 2-10 season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Yes, this is on point and it’s just this simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by BB30
People are beating up Lebby because they had no expectations for him this year. Literally every single one on this board thought he?d only win 3 games this year. You all thought that. However he went out and put together a team that had us four plays away from winning 8. The problem? He was never suppose to be in that situation per our fans. We got to see some of the younger HC shortcomings, which given time he will learn from. Look everyone hooted and holler about him getting some former DCs with experience on staff: he did that. You all wanted Hutzler gone: he let his best recruiter go.
Jimmies and Joes mixed with good coaching win. Obviously we have some good coaching but need more Jimmies and Joes along the line on both sides. We need about $14MM invested in the lines alone. We need more analyst off field. Vandy has more analysts then we do?
I don't understand those of you citing our #35 NIL ranking as if that's not just proving C34s point.
#35 means there's roughly 34 teams in CFB with a more talented roster. It means never even being top 25 either in the rankings or in actual play. It means being at a talent disadvantage in 8/9 SEC games, and a massive one at that for at least 5 of them. #35 in NIL means we can't hold onto the under the radar talent we do find (see the 3 WRs and 1 QB we had to face that transferred from us to other SEC schools). Would Dak have been here in 2015 if Florida offered him $3.5m in NIL? Would Montez Sweat have returned for his Sr year if Bama offered him 700k? You can't be a developmental program if you can't pay them enough to stay once they break out. All you can do is hope to out scout the other teas, and get under the radar Portal transfers every year.... but good luck doing that year after year when other SEC schools also have 5x our recruiting budget.
No, being #35 in NIL in a conference where everyone else spends more means 6-6 is the best we can expect to average over time, and 8-4 the absolute ceiling for any particular season. 5-7 will be what a league average coaching staff achieves, and by the way we spend less on that than everyone else does too.
There's not much mystery left in college football. No dark corners for good players to go under the radar from big schools, no unknown schemes that could give our coach a large advantage. No loyalty that There's been too much money in this for too long- it's now about MONEY to buy the best. Why I've lost almost all interest in the sport.
PS, "we were 2 plays away from 7-5!" isn't really a fair comment since we were also 2 plays away from 3-9- ASU took a miracle pass because their DC called a dumb blitz, and Arky was down the wire. 5-7 is record that accurately reflects our season; we were not a 7-5 team that just got unusually unlucky.
You factor in that the #35 NIL ranking is for this team and not compounding over a few years and it shows how low the talent level and depth truly is. Because we were no where close to 35 last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
That's just a rewriting of history. Plenty of posters were expecting 5, 6, 7, etc., wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog
And (I can't believe I have to say this again) you have to change your expectations when you learn more about the opponents. If we'd known that Florida, Texas, Missouri, Arizona State, Arkansas, and Tennessee would all be significantly worse than their preseason expectations, we all would have picked more wins.
Hard to blame Lebby when Shapen through a pick six and had a strip sackQuote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
Yep.One of their billionaire boosters did an interview. Stated plainly they saw an opportunity and knew it could be limited in the future by new laws/rules. That the time was now why there are no rules to go out and "BUY" the team we need. Literally his word.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
As a result, they just landed a 5 star DE out of the state of Georgia. The #2 player in the state of Georgia.
MSU fans thought that this would make us all even. I specifically remember MSU beat guys selling that point. But we all knew that we will never out spend a lot of teams and that the pecking order was going to change.
Agree on some points. But I disagree on the lucky part. I think we over achieved to be in positions to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
You don't have to keep saying this. We've read it all 500 times. Just because you repeat something over and over doesn't make it true. YOU believe it and that's fine, but believing we all think that way is projecting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
You're fussing at the wrong person. The problem is that people keep saying over and over and over that Lebby was actually good because "nobody expected us to be as good as 5-7." You can't blame me for responding to something people put out there that I think is objectively wrong. Get mad at the people who keep starting the conversation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
I'd be perfectly happy not to discuss Lebby again until August, but if other people keep bringing him up and keep making the same old bad arguments, then I'll join in just to represent the other side of the debate.
I mean it does- but you have to have talent to be successful. Texas Tech has a guy they hired from the HS ranks. Clark Lea started 2-22 in the SEC and suddenly he is a great coach now. I bet if you had given Hutz Tenn's DL he would have put a much better defense on the field this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
I see people talking about Indiana. Their WR's are very good with one of them bailing their ass out vs Penn State at the end of the game with maybe the best catch of the season. As happy as we were with our WR's this season- they scored 10 TD's- Indy's top 2 guys had 25. They have talent
Glad you brought up Indiana. If Billy Napier was coaching this exact same team, they would be 7-5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Lebby underachievedQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
So Shapen threw and fumbled as many TDs to the other team as Indianas WRs did? But he played the entire year? Tell me more how 35 mil could have changed thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I know you’re gonna say “no way”, I mean you are a coach. But it just might have bought enough of an O line to keep him from ending up on his ass more often than not. Maybe be able to run the ball effectively when we needed to, and to possibly have quality depth.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Show me the OL that made him fumble the ball or made him the all time leader in pick 6s in school historyQuote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
Will rogers fumbled on the foot line vs ole miss (the last time we beat them) and it was totally 100000 percent on him
You know it’s not that simple, you know it’s a 22 man game, that’s a straw man argument. 74 was a lookout block waiting to happen that lead directly to a scoop and score just in that game. That’s just one example. You know exactly why. But hey don’t let that get in the way. I thought you were “out” anyway?Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****