Just here to say that we have money issues.. not coaching

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

So you are saying that the execution of the passing play was good? Like I said. Today's game has changed. Analytics ...old school people hate them because it's not what they were raised on. But we are over 50% in those plays based off that. Like I said, I am old school in many ways. I'm good with running it there to try to set up the FG kicker.

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Analytics will never win over football logic and game feel. That crap goes out the window fame by game because each freaking game is different.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

LOL! Ok. We will never be more than what we are now due to the mindset of fans. We will destroy anything being build because we know better. It will always be play the back up and we have to fire the coach regardless of actual issues.

And with that, I am out

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Lebby hasn't built anything that could be destroyed...

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Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses

Honest question... would you invest in a stock that you have seen people invest money into and the product just sits on the shelf? Would you invest in same product if the CEO was a first time CEO and he cost the company millions of dollars by decisions he made? Because companies are suppose to be profitable, right? If not, they go under.

The players we paid the most for sit on the bench. And our coach has made multiple decisions that lost us the game.

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Of course I wouldn't. That's also not even remotely a good comparison.

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

Of course I wouldn't. That's also not even remotely a good comparison.

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Why do you say that? We are investing our money in this. So how is it not the same? Show me how you would compare this topic cause I'm willing to see yoir side.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I know this may sound silly, but I have an idea....

Stop giving the freshman an option and just call the F'ing pass in the RPO route! Mind blowing, I know.

I mean, these coaches kill me. You get paid millions a year, and your excuse is that a freshman can't also play Offensive Coordinator mid play, so the more talented guy doesn't see the field??! Are you kidding me?! Lebby, you're the coach, want the kid to run a specific play, CALL IT. Am I living in the twilight zone here, what are we doing?

That's like me telling my child, you have the option today to do one of 3 chores....1. Clean the toilets, 2. Turn off your room lights, 3. Keep the front door shut......and wondering why the toilets never get cleaned. Take away the easier options and the more beneficial one will get done. These coaches expect these QB's to be de facto OC's and we wonder why none of them can play at State until they're Juniors or transfer out. Do your f'ing job, Coach....and if Taylor or any other QB isn't capable of doing what you need....well, you recruited them, so that's on you too.

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Man this post makes way too much sense.

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Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses

It is speculation. But what isn't speculation now is that he made the wrong decisions. Because of those decisions we are in the position we are now. You have said we dont have the talent to execute so why run the riskiest play of all of them? It's really no point in arguing because everyone is going to stick to what they believe. I believe from previous coaching decisions and results of those coaching decisions that he isn't the man for the job. We need players. We need money. For me personally.. I will no longer invest my hard earned money to a product that is obviously headed toward bankruptcy. That will be dumb on my part. The money that was raised has been invested and there is no arguing we are better than we was last year. But instead of being an 8 win team.. we are a 5 win team. In my eyes not because of talent but because of coaching. I will get criticized for this but that's completely okay

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Then get off the board and take your talents to AMC or the local park. Obviously this is a source of entertainment for you that youll do everything but commit to

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Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses

Honest question... would you invest in a stock that you have seen people invest money into and the product just sits on the shelf? Would you invest in same product if the CEO was a first time CEO and he cost the company millions of dollars by decisions he made? Because companies are suppose to be profitable, right? If not, they go under.

The players we paid the most for sit on the bench. And our coach has made multiple decisions that lost us the game.

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It?s not a stock. Its a football team

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Originally Posted by Cowbeller

Then get off the board and take your talents to AMC or the local park. Obviously this is a source of entertainment for you that youll do everything but commit to

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Thank God for freedom of choice and speech or I would have to be really worried about you. So I think I'll stay and continue to comment on a public forum where.. guess what... you comment on things and voice your opinion on whatever that topic may be at the time. It really bothers me that I'm not committed as you. Maybe you can get a statue??

Alsoooo. You're obviously very committed. Can you maybe contact some of the former and current NFL guys that played at State and ask them for a few bucks? They might can donate a little more than I can. Probably not as much as you tho.

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Originally Posted by Cowbeller

It?s not a stock. Its a football team

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You might be the smartest guy on this board. Replace the word "stock" with "football team", "product" with "bench", "CEO" with "coach" , "companies" with "university", and then answer the question.

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Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses

Why do you say that? We are investing our money in this. So how is it not the same? Show me how you would compare this topic cause I'm willing to see yoir side.

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You aren?t purchasing an item for future value. It?s a commodity if anything but that is still a bad example. You need X dollars of players to field a team capable of doing the things we want and that churns every single year in the current landscape. I dont like the corporate analogy because it isnt really the same thing.

A CEO can take as much debt as they want out to create leverage and prop up a product to succeed 5 years down the line. Companies operate in the red for years before turning a profit all the time. There is no getting a loan for Lebby he can work only with what is given. There is no operating at a loss for 5 years because you would be fired after year 3. Sure you can say he is the CEO of the football team but that?s about as far I would say you can make that analogy.

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Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses

Thank God for freedom of choice and speech or I would have to be really worried about you. So I think I'll stay and continue to comment on a public forum where.. guess what... you comment on things and voice your opinion on whatever that topic may be at the time. It really bothers me that I'm not committed as you. Maybe you can get a statue??

Alsoooo. You're obviously very committed. Can you maybe contact some of the former and current NFL guys that played at State and ask them for a few bucks? They might can donate a little more than I can. Probably not as much as you tho.

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It?s always these guys that say get someone else to do while I sit in the arm chair and complain. I told you go on dont watch and ill use my free speech to tell you to not let the door hit you on the way out so we can quit hearing you b*tch

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

You aren?t purchasing an item for future value. It?s a commodity if anything but that is still a bad example. You need X dollars of players to field a team capable of doing the things we want and that churns every single year in the current landscape. I dont like the corporate analogy because it isnt really the same thing.

A CEO can take as much debt as they want out to create leverage and prop up a product to succeed 5 years down the line. Companies operate in the red for years before turning a profit all the time. There is no getting a loan for Lebby he can work only with what is given. There is no operating at a loss for 5 years because you would be fired after year 3. Sure you can say he is the CEO of the football team but that?s about as far I would say you can make that analogy.

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Thank you. It is quite hilarious seeing all these guys act like they have this magical equation to winning when the simple answer is right there. A couple big donors arent going to put us over the edge it takes complete and total buy in from all of the fanbase and it might not be immediate either

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

You aren?t purchasing an item for future value. It?s a commodity if anything but that is still a bad example. You need X dollars of players to field a team capable of doing the things we want and that churns every single year in the current landscape. I dont like the corporate analogy because it isnt really the same thing.

A CEO can take as much debt as they want out to create leverage and prop up a product to succeed 5 years down the line. Companies operate in the red for years before turning a profit all the time. There is no getting a loan for Lebby he can work only with what is given. There is no operating at a loss for 5 years because you would be fired after year 3. Sure you can say he is the CEO of the football team but that?s about as far I would say you can make that analogy.

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Are you operating in the red to give to state?

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

You aren?t purchasing an item for future value. It?s a commodity if anything but that is still a bad example. You need X dollars of players to field a team capable of doing the things we want and that churns every single year in the current landscape. I dont like the corporate analogy because it isnt really the same thing.

A CEO can take as much debt as they want out to create leverage and prop up a product to succeed 5 years down the line. Companies operate in the red for years before turning a profit all the time. There is no getting a loan for Lebby he can work only with what is given. There is no operating at a loss for 5 years because you would be fired after year 3. Sure you can say he is the CEO of the football team but that?s about as far I would say you can make that analogy.

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I see what you're saying.. that's just how I think of it in my mind. I understand it's not an investment or business venture. I didn't think it would be perceived with this much thought process into it lol you're correct tho

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Originally Posted by Cowbeller

It?s always these guys that say get someone else to do while I sit in the arm chair and complain. I told you go on dont watch and ill use my free speech to tell you to not let the door hit you on the way out so we can quit hearing you b*tch

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Well man I really hate to tell you this.. but I ain't going anywhere. Hang tight my man.. misery doesn't last forever. It will pass

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Are you operating in the red to give to state?

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My mental health sure as hell is

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Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses

I see what you're saying.. that's just how I think of it in my mind. I understand it's not an investment or business venture. I didn't think it would be perceived with this much thought process into it lol you're correct tho

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Yeah sorry it?s my line of work so how I equate things. We need cash to be where we want to be, plain and simple.

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Originally Posted by Cowbeller

Thank you. It is quite hilarious seeing all these guys act like they have this magical equation to winning when the simple answer is right there. A couple big donors arent going to put us over the edge it takes complete and total buy in from all of the fanbase and it might not be immediate either

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Have you let anyone else know about this simple answer besides some posters on ED?

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

Yeah sorry it?s my line of work so how I equate things. We need cash to be where we want to be, plain and simple.

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Man I knew it was your line of work when I started reading it. no need for apologies. It's just a conversation and you taught me to leave business examples out of message boards so thank you lol

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

My mental health sure as hell is

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Haha, we all are. Why we love something that causes us such grief is so strange

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Haha, we all are. Why we love something that causes us such grief is so strange

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It's gotta be some kinda psysop, right? Surely we aren't willingly doing this.

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Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses

Have you let anyone else know about this simple answer besides some posters on ED?

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I told your mom the other night. She donated

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Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses

It's gotta be some kinda psysop, right? Surely we aren't willingly doing this.

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Should be a case study

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

We are having to pinch pennies unlike Ole Miss or most on our schedule. An example is Hardy. You the guy that ran all over us last night? We had to pass on him due to money. We went with option 2 to save money to be able to spend elsewhere.

I see so much jealously of Ole Miss on here without the understanding. Lane Kiffin does exactly what you are complaining that Lebby does. Lane went for it on 4th inside his own 20 on the road vs OU this season. He did it verses Bama 2 years ago. In fact he lost that game. The OU game this year, he had the talent to make up for it.

This isn't a poor ole state. It's a simple truth and it is what it is. Until we get way more money in NIL we are going to have this same discussion over and over no matter who the QB is nor the HC is. It's always going to be somebody's fault that our 3 star OL could not block a 5 star DL and LB rather than understanding our lack of purchasing power.

When you get to that point, you begin to grasp how well this staff has done with what we have. We should not have been in the Tenn, Tx, TAMU, UF, nor Mizzou game at any point.


I love MSU! I will always watch til the end. But this constant blaming everybody except for THE issue is mind numbing.

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I disagree. Lebby is at this point a big question mark in our long line of hiring assistant coaches who were by no means ready to be a HC. His stubborn poor decisions have cost us at least three games.

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Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses

I'm not arguing we don't have a money problem.. of course we do. But money problems has nothing to do with Lebby's coaching decisions last night and previous games this year. We can argue his play calling was because of lack of personal, sure. Get creative. COACH like you're paid to do. If money shortage played a part in deciding to pass against Florida, punt to Texas, and run 8 straight QB draws against Mizz then I really dont understand this game called football. And that is just a fraction of a fraction of questionable coaching decisions this year.

Agree with you we need more money and better players. But last night 1000% got me off the Lebby train. In game decisions have killed this season.

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I agree. As per money, Google the net worth of Dickie Scruggs, just one of Ole Miss's supporters who is all in.

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Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson

Anyone paying attention can tell we have improved from last year to this one. We are playing harder and are in games which is a credit to Lebby and staff.

However,

Not money, not facilities, not (insert whatever other excuse you want). The reason we lost the Tennessee, Florida, and Texas games are Lebby and Lebby alone. His play calling- specifically going for it over and over on 4th down on our own side of the field have been the difference. That is COMPLETELY on him. As a coach you have to have some feel for the game, and he apparently does not. I never bought into the line of "He's young and learning how to win". Going for it on our own 36 against Texas was maybe the dumbest call I have ever seen. He shows no remorse for it and generally blames the players for his own mistakes. He is about to lose this locker room. We are in positions to win and he takes away our chances.

I am generally never in favor of firing a coach after 2 years but he has proved to me things arent going to change.

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He will get year 3, but I see no way we can put up with a third year similar to these two, especially if Ole Miss puts up about 50 on us the day after Thanksgiving.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

I have it on great authority that we picked Fluff over Hardy. The difference between the two isn't a big deal.

In fact, I've been told that our 3rd string QB from FSU is making more than 90% of the team.

Its not a money problem - its an allocation problem.

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We picked fluff over hardy bc hardy cost 3 times more. Thats not on good Authority, it's a fact. And considering our needs which clearly were multiple it wasn't wrong

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

What about us spending big money on players like Kro-Hawk, Stonka, and Deonte Anderson. I can go on and on. We have spent tons of money on kids that are not performing at all. That isn't on the fans.

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We don't have big money in stonka or Anderson. Might be more than you would have paid but it's not big money.

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Originally Posted by Cowbeller

I told your mom the other night. She donated

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Did you know a recent study shows that adults (assuming you're one) that use 'your mom" lines online typically have poor relationships at home and usually feel the need of showing dominance online due to not having any relationships in real life? I'm factuated with case studies and find them intriguing. Anyways.. I don't believe you.

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

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I agree. As per money, Google the net worth of Dickie Scruggs, just one of Ole Miss's supporters who is all in.

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Jeeeeesh. Billion with a capital B. Must be nice

Imagine being a Billionaire and spending your hard earned cash on high school and college kids so you can try to buy your college team relevance.

I'm sorry, but I just don't understand the amount of money these rich bastards are throwing at college football players. It's as if they want to be known as the reason their team succeeded. It's the most selfishly unselfish waste of money I've ever seen. And I hope we have some folks that are just as dumb, bc I ain't got billions with a B, millions with a M, or even many thousands with a T! Haha

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Imagine being a Billionaire and spending your hard earned cash on high school and college kids so you can try to buy your college team relevance.

I'm sorry, but I just don't understand the amount of money these rich bastards are throwing at college football players. It's as if they want to be known as the reason their team succeeded. It's the most selfishly unselfish waste of money I've ever seen. And I hope we have some folks that are just as dumb, bc I ain't got billions with a B, millions with a M, or even many thousands with a T! Haha

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Lol! Me either man. Great post and I agree with you. It blows my mind too. I am sure there is a way that they are able to profit from it somehow or pay less taxes on their billions. People can fuss at me, tell me to leave the board, call me uncommitted, whatever tf they wanna say. I am not throwing my hard earned cash that I bust my ass for toward a football team that may or may not win 6 games. And I am still gonna complain and b!tch when I feel like it's deserving! Lol

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

We picked fluff over hardy bc hardy cost 3 times more. Thats not on good Authority, it's a fact. And considering our needs which clearly were multiple it wasn't wrong

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There was a time that we took kids like Hardy out of high school and were successful doing it. I understand that it's a different era but every good player doesn't have to come from the portal. Especially players from Mississippi.

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Lol! Me either man. Great post and I agree with you. It blows my mind too. I am sure there is a way that they are able to profit from it somehow or pay less taxes on their billions. People can fuss at me, tell me to leave the board, call me uncommitted, whatever tf they wanna say. I am not throwing my hard earned cash that I bust my ass for toward a football team that may or may not win 6 games. And I am still gonna complain and b!tch when I feel like it's deserving! Lol

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Hear here, buddy. Hear freaking here

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We picked fluff over hardy bc hardy cost 3 times more. Thats not on good Authority, it's a fact. And considering our needs which clearly were multiple it wasn't wrong

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and this is what apparently our fans have no idea about. Mississippi's roster is easily 8-10MM more than ours. You get what you pay for

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Originally Posted by LC Dawg

There was a time that we took kids like Hardy out of high school and were successful doing it. I understand that it's a different era but every good player doesn't have to come from the portal. Especially players from Mississippi.

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You better hope that the decisions made in recruiting by our staff in our currently #49 nationally ranked 2026 high school/JC commitments are better than some of our in-game coaching calls this season. Both in-state and out-of-state offer sheets are very questionable for the majority of these 22 players. Some here say that high school recruiting doesn't matter anymore in this portal world. BTW, we didn't do such a great job of evaluations in the recent OL/DL signings it appears.

It seems 48 teams ahead of us and more that are set to pass us seem to think high school recruiting is still important. Have you checked the ranking of our 'improved defense" year to date? It seems to have fallen to about last in the conference after that 4-0 OOC start. Who scheduled all these SEC games?***

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Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses

Did you know a recent study shows that adults (assuming you're one) that use 'your mom" lines online typically have poor relationships at home and usually feel the need of showing dominance online due to not having any relationships in real life? I'm factuated with case studies and find them intriguing. Anyways.. I don't believe you.

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Might be reading into this one too much to make up a study

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Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses

Lol! Me either man. Great post and I agree with you. It blows my mind too. I am sure there is a way that they are able to profit from it somehow or pay less taxes on their billions. People can fuss at me, tell me to leave the board, call me uncommitted, whatever tf they wanna say. I am not throwing my hard earned cash that I bust my ass for toward a football team that may or may not win 6 games. And I am still gonna complain and b!tch when I feel like it's deserving! Lol

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You are the prime example of why we cant make progress. All bark and when it comes to bite it is someone elses problem.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

and this is what apparently our fans have no idea about. Mississippi's roster is easily 8-10MM more than ours. You get what you pay for

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How much did we spend on our roster this year?

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Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses

Honest question... would you invest in a stock that you have seen people invest money into and the product just sits on the shelf? Would you invest in same product if the CEO was a first time CEO and he cost the company millions of dollars by decisions he made? Because companies are suppose to be profitable, right? If not, they go under.

The players we paid the most for sit on the bench. And our coach has made multiple decisions that lost us the game.

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Straight up horrible hypo.

It's more akin to investing into a business as a new investor. And no business will thrive without investment. Most people who own businesses understand the return on money takes a few years too. The top reason why a new business fails is lack of needed capital. My wife opened a business and did not take pay for 2 years.

And to the point of investing, yes. Every day people invest into start ups and companies that have issues.