Incredible exaggeration. There are 136 FBS teams, and this isn't even in the top half of the hardest jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbeller
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Incredible exaggeration. There are 136 FBS teams, and this isn't even in the top half of the hardest jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbeller
Cant help you if you actually believe that to be the case after Cohen/Leach/Arnett.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
He was never going to go 5-7 last year so to pretend like he lost to give himself credit with the fanbase is one of the more laughable things I have ever read. Very clearly he had to step in and start at square 1 and work towards realigning us as a competitive SEC team. He has done just that in his time here and I think we can start talking contender next year. If you dont understand what you are watching on Saturday thats fine but dont be apart of a movement to call for someones job and further cripple us with more and more turnover.
Good thing I neither said nor implied that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbeller
All I'm saying is that I don't give Lebby credit for getting out of a hole he dug for himself.
I think we are probably better than we were in 2023, so good for him, but I'm not impressed that we're better than we were in 2024 when he was the coach.
You say you arent implying that then go on to say he dug himself into that hole. Thats my exact point, he did not cause that last year. He made due with what he could and again has us on an upward trajectory with no ceiling yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
People refuse to understand how bad it was last year. It?s either ignorance or an agenda. Lebby walked into an absolute mess. He is still cleaning it up. It also did not help that Cohen had no clue how to handle NIL. It took Selmon righting that ship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbeller
Sorry, but any reasonable SEC head coach beats Toledo. Or at least doesn't get embarrassed by them. That one is on Lebby.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbeller
The best pro-Lebby argument you can make is "sure, he sucked last year and finished 2-10 when a good coach would have won 4 or 5 games and had more competitive losses instead of weekly embarrassments. But this year he has improved to 'ok' so that's a good trajectory. Lots of head coaches improve in the early years of their tenure, and I think Lebby is on that path."
Make that argument, and I can't really refute it. Don't give us some disingenuous "actually your eyes and the data are wrong, just believe me uncritically!" screed that convinces no one.
plus he wasnt hardly given any money to spend last season. He was given G5 money to build a rosterQuote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
We are easily one of the toughest jobs in P5 with lots of G5 jobs easier than this one as well. It's easier to win at Memphis and South Florida than it is at State just to name a coupleQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Anyone that can't recognize how tough the gig at state is is definitely not tethered to reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Sounds like whiny children "it's toooo hard". Geez. Either win games in the SEC or admit we don't belong and move to the AAC.
Exactly. We have championship expectations, the toughest competition in the country, and like you said a NIL that was behind from the start. I dont think its crazy to have playoff expectations, I have them myself but you cant build Rome overnight and definitely not with a new regime every two years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Im saying the exact opposite of this. He will win in the SEC, but he needs time and resources and he has already proven that he can make positive change. Football and life are interchangeable. You think any successful company did not have set backs and mistakes from leadership at any point. Of course they did, strong leaders learn and improve which we are seeing.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
Cant move to the AAC. We need that welfare check too much. Plus we are good nationally in basketball and baseball because they dont cost as much to fund.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
Marcus Freeman lost to NIU last year. Is he a bad coach? Not that crazy anymore to lose G5 games if you aren’t invested fully with a stable program.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
We are lucky you are not in charge or we would be 1-11 with a shiny new coach every year wondering why we arent progressing.
This is insane. Lebby's critics want a conference win, and this somehow equals championship expectations in your mind. You're either trolling or more dense than platinum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbeller
Again with the dumb comparisons... freeman then went on a run to get to the championship game. After the Toledo game, we lost all 8 sec games by 2 scores or more. We've lost 11 straight sec games under Lebby. If he pulls one out this Saturday, he will be celebrated by everyone here, which is crazy considering we have "championship expectations"Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbeller
Stubborn/dense whatever you want to call it but our losses are Tenn, A&M, and UF. All preseason contenders and two still are. It’s not like we have lost three straight to Kentucky at home. We are quite literally less than ten plays away from 6-1 and somehow that equals a bad coach? We have missed some opportunities coaching and player execution wise but lets not panicQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Going to challenge you to critical thinking here. What is the difference between last years ND and MSUs rosters?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I think you should do the same. The loss for freeman absolutely lit a fire under him and his team. That loss was rocket fuel to them, and he proved it was an absolute fluke. We did no such thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbeller
Lol the loss to Toledo was not a fluke. It was bad luck, poor effort, poor planning, and poor decision making by the former AD office. Then we went into SEC play with the same roster and we expected something different than what we saw.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
If all you mean is wins and losses, then yes it's easier to have a winning record at USF or Memphis. But if you mean the probability of getting ranked, finishing ranked, making the playoffs, or winning the whole thing, it's definitely easier to do all 4 of those at Mississippi State than it is at any G5 school, or a lot of ACC or Big 12 programs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
But you arent getting fired for not making the playoffs at Memphis. Here eventually your time would run out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Oh, so Toledo was the better team? If so, your freeman example is even worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbeller
Since we are not as good as others in NIL funds it would be idiotic to fire a coach after two years. I love his offensive scheme. I believe we will continue to get better. Lebby may still have some growing pains but I've seen enough good in just one year to keep believing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbeller
Not that I am disagreeing with you. But I am really tired of hearing how tough state is to win at. Like what does the school need to do to change that perspective?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
Actually, I have 20 years of posting history that suggests otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbeller
I wanted Croom gone sooner than most. I never wanted Mullen fired, even when half the boards did in 2013. I checked out on Moorhead faster than the median poster. I never wanted Leach fired, even as half the boards considered his offense a threat to their own masculinity. I was one of the first people to give up on Arnett, when most of this board said I was crazy and that we'd never fire him midseason.
That's 5 out of 5 that I was correct. And I'm not even pulling the plug on Lebby yet. I'll wait until the season is over. But you better believe whatever recommendation I make at the end of the year is going to turn out to bw right like it was for the last 5 head coaches.
No, here you can go 0-11 and fans will defend you no matter what.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbeller
ED, "winning here is extremely hard"Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick91
Also ED, "Thank God, Mullen is gone (who won here)"
You need to stop looking at it as a negative. Of course winning at an SEC school is tough. The only way to lose the perception is to find a guy not backing down and embracing the challenge year over year until we establish the winning as a norm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick91
I match up with on 4/5 coaches. I hated watching us under leach even though the results were acceptable. I wanted Moorhead gone after first sec loss (Kentucky). That was as bad a loss as I can remember considering how talented we were.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
About $250MM injection into athletics for the Big 3. 150MM for football, 60MM for basketball, and 40MM for beisballQuote:
Originally Posted by Maverick91
How in the world did Lebby dig a hole that a disjointed booster base and an idiotic AD took years to create? I'm truly at a loss to understand that. We our own selves created the shit show that this staff walked into as a matter of fact we are so good at it could be considered professionals because we do it over and over again. We are a for all intents a permanently fractured alumni and booster base that until very recently has been able to chose substantially sub par leadership for the athletic department. Our factions, that were once separated by region now not so much still pull over control, just for the sake of just having control to the detriment of us all. Our Confederate brethren have finally figured this out and it is paying off for them in great fashion. They have a plan and are on the same page from David Nutt to a tick at the Sonic in Batesville. I hope that one day before I am no more that we could do this, but I have zero confidence that this will ever happen, its in our DNA to 17 it up. Just look at this board it proves my thesis everyday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Despite whatever NIL and talent deficiencies we had, we still had no business losing to Toledo at all. Whenever bad SEC teams play mid level MAC teams, the SEC team almost always wins. A weird fluky loss I might get over, but not a humiliating beatdown. That game was a disgrace. Remember that just about any MAC player who is good is moving up to a P4 school, so it's even worse to have such a loss in the transfer era than it used to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
If Lebby had beaten Toledo and 1 SEC team last year to finish 4-8, everyone would be feeling so much better about him, even though the "improvement" argument wouldn't be as strong.
Kentucky was the canary in the coal mine. I still gave him the benefit of the doubt bc he was new to the SEC. You and I had some really arguments that year. But, year two when Kansas State kicked our dicks in the dirt at home and manhandled us on both sides of the ball, I was 100% done with Joe. I just do not see anything remotely like that with Lebby.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Brother, we had a bunch of starters last year that probably would have rode the bench at Toledo. I do not think you guys really get how bad our team was last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
If that's true (it's not), Lebby should have gotten better ones in the portal. Even in 2023 we should have been able to put together a better roster than a MAC also-ran.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
Just cut off the rest and don?t worry about that. Try and make us believe that all that is currently happening started last year. Don?t worry about the context and of and why we got here, those little details don?t matter. Cherry picking your response, perfectly. Truly the Missippy Tate way. I will never live to see us not bashing our heads against a wall to prove that we are the smallest again and again and again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Actually, I'm the one who says 0-16 shouldn't be acceptable, nor should getting blown out by Toledo, and the small minded poor 'ols are the ones who say that they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
Disagree with me all you want, but no one would ever confuse me for someone who thinks Mississippi State isn't deserving or capable of elite results.
I guess you did not hear about the guys we let go last year that could not break the two deep on the teams they went to. So yeah, it?s true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Lebby did get better guys in the portal, this year. And it shows. And we need more.
We are a year behind not because of Lebby but bc of the circumstances that preceded him. People holding last year over Lebby either have an agenda or are ignorant as hell.
Thinks = believes, believing is easy, knowing is hard. Knowing and knowledge take work, effort and come with experience. Until you can face up to the reality of what our situation actually is and know where our problems live, we will never achieve what you desire. You are reactionary not proactive, that puts you so on point for the way state people are. Don?t get me wrong I do not like where we are right now but I have the ability to understand why we are where we are and can recognize that steps are being taken to address this situation. I realize that most of the time the things that happen fast require little effort are bad and good things take time and require effort and patience to make them happen. But hey, you be you, you gotta live with it not me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking