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Bull$hitQuote:
Originally Posted by viverlibre
In my younger yeats, I would really anticipate the start of new seasons following bad ones hoping the nausea and throwing up was over, only to get queasy again by the 3rd or 4th series in the first game lol. There's nothing like being a State fan, well...maybe Cleveland
Yea, Texas and Texas A&M are the 2 richest school in the country. Not a lot of schools are able to spend close to what they are spending.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Yeah I really don?t care about our football anymore. Love basketball and baseballQuote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
I would say that anyone who would accept 4 wins this year doesn't care about State Football any more.
We may not accept it, but we're gonna get it....hopefully.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
Fitting handle for this comment. I concur. Probably no way around that total.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
Just got my weekly e-mail from the Bulldog Club:
Are you interested in Premium Seating in The Scoreboard Club, Floyd Wade Jr. Club, TraxPlus Gridion Club , or more Premium seating?
Want Individual game tickets?
Also limited Season Tickets available in the 100 and 200 sections.
Home opener against AZ State starting at iess than $25.
MSU Section tickets at USM opener still available at $40.
Wow, we need to win some games and look good and promising in losses or DWS will indeed look very empty except the lower East side where MSU staff sell their tickets to opposing SEC fans!
Should've kept letting me run recruiting.***Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
Leach won with some one else?s recruits?? He coached 3 years dude. And his last one was 9 wins. Dudek should have never been in charge of anything and leach definitely was not a croooter but that is just a stupid ignorant argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
It's a stupid argument but there's a lot of merit in it. I mean look at his best players, a lot of them were Moorhead recruits. Now where I think the argument becomes stupid is this, Leach still coached them and definitely got more out of them than Joe would have, but they by and large were Joe's recruits. On to your other point, yes it was extremely stupid to put Emerick and Dudek in charge of recruiting back to back, but Leach did it. He's the HC and made that decision so unfortunately it falls at his feet.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Hahaha!!! Very underrated comment!!!!! I had forgotten all about that!!!! (It's for members only)Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
If the Bulldog Initiative or whatever they call it hires you I will cry and be incredibly proud of the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
Leach was good enough to win 8-9 games without 4-5 star recruits. Which is why he is a HOF coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Really the biggest drop was on defense which is more on Arnett.
The first year or two, the D stayed on the field because the O coudn't sustain a drive - among lowest TOP of any P5. D talent began to drop significantly after 19, if some Covid players had not stayed, we'd never won 9 in 22. Leach won 8 games once in 3 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
The HC is responsible for O, D and ST last time I checked and also over recruiting, Can't blame CZA for that.
most of the defense, Marks and Johnson at RB, Ducking/Griffin/Harvey were all recruited to State or on campus when Leach took over- these guys led the way on most production in 2022 when Leach won 8 gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
Who was in charge of recruiting the defensive side of the ball and why didn't it get better when Leach, Dudek, and Emerick all left? Only one common denominator there. You're basically criticizing Leach for not micromanaging the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
Of course Leach's team won 9 games once in three years. He was basically following the same career trends he always had and would have continued to win 8-9 games had he lived.
TOP is the most worthless stat in the game. The job of the offense is to score. The job of the defense is to stop the other team from scoring. Period. I can think of several times in 2022 when Arnett's defense got absolutely gutted after the offense scored. If they needed the offense to sustain drives so they could rest they were a bunch of pussies like their DC turned out to be.
If you think the HC shouldn't be involved in recruiting the whole team and who is ultimately responsible, then if our decision makers think that way, therein lies one big issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
The career trends thing don't apply to SEC. Leach said so himself. He wanted to see if he could do it in best conf in America. Doing that in powderpuff football ain't hard. Gald he got to go out on a winning note, but that trend wasn't going to happen in SEC. It was going to be bad regardless. He done said he didn't care if Johnson was there or not. You think talent is going to stay in NIL era with that approach?
TOP is fine if you score; problem is we were not scoring. We scored most our points in garbage time. Our D is all that kept us in most games. The only big points we put up was against the Samfords of the world.
This is correct. The lack of recruiting was catching up. Bert Bielema was a bigtime winner in the BTen. Came to the SEC and got his ass handed to him. Bert returned to the BTen- and is winning again at a program that hasnt had alot of success historically.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
Well, he did do it so the trend still applies. Really the only thing that stopped us from 8+ wins in 2021 was not having a kicker. And the fact that with his "bad recruiting" he was able to land a QB that is up the Heisman at Baylor right now that Arnett ran off for Mike Wright and his goofy hat, plus our renewed improvement in NIL I feel pretty safe in saying that the trend would have continued. And he certainly would have won more than Arnett did in 2023 with a group of mostly seniors running an offense they were recruited for. Trends are a lot more accurate and reliable than biases such as "powder puff football" especially when he was winning with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
It didn't matter if Dillion Johnson left or not- he played the most expendable skill position in the game. That's why Leach didn't care if he left or not.
And to show that you are just making up BS- we were 7th in the SEC in TOP in 2022. Right in the middle. The team with the lowest TOP was Tennessee by a good six minutes more than MSU. They also led the SEC in PPG that year. Poor defense right? There was no way they could ever rest their poor darling hearts. Nope- their defense allowed fewer PPG than Arnett's that year.
Also, I guess the 40+ points against Arkansas and MSU cult hero Kendall Briles, 40+ against Texas A&M, and 39 in back to back games is "not scoring"? Oh wait because we had to go to overtime to bail out the defense which completely choked against Auburn.
I would say based on his career at Wisconsin, Arkansas, and Illinois it's looking a lot like Arkansas and Illinois is the trend for him and Wisconsin was a short peak outside the norm. Especially considering that Illinois is in the Big 10.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Leach did a great job maximizing the talent recruited for him and bringing in some WRs. I mean even Rogers was recruited by JoVester. He left the program bare in recruiting with the younger guys. The fact we were so devoid of talent in 2024 is directly on Leach's shouldersQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Not with the portal and two full cycles passed it isn't. The fact of the matter is recruiting got even worse once he passed away. You can literally bring in an entirely new team every offseason if you want to now. Essentially what Ole Miss does almost. And what Lebby did this year. There were players like Makhai Polk and Gardner Minchew that wanted to play for Leach because he was a HOF coach. No one wanted to play for Kevin Barbay because he sucked and they had to lie to keep Leach's players around to play for the guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
But we didnt have the NIL set up ready for that. Which would have hampered Leach as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Let's assume he is. He'll be tapped up by a Bama, UGA, TX, etc and offered more than we can hope to match or beat. He'll hit the portal and be wearing a new jersey next season. We just don't have the resources required to compete in the age of unlimited money and unlimited transfers. The best sport ever has been completely ruined. I can't remember ever being less excited about an upcoming season. I'm much, much more invested in the English Premier League. That's a statement I'd have never believed I'd make in my life, but here I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
I lived through the same era. It was brutal.Quote:
Originally Posted by mckeen