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No he is not directly working at JA to my knowledge. But he probably trains them and he is extremely sideways with the OM staff right now. He likes ours a little better. Neither he or Espy have much contact with the OM staff right now. But it will always be difficult for him to push kids to State.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Saying that, if we show something positive in the first few weeks, I was told to expect all those kids to end up at State.
You need 10-15 HS kids with 6-8 that can play immediately, 2-4 that know they are develop guys, and 2-3 wildcards that could pop. The rest need to be portal guys with a majority being multi year portal guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I'm thinking (certainly hoping) that we've bottomed out as far as the pay for play environment that has put us at such a disadvantage within the SEC. The settlement which puts everyone paying the 20.5 milllion to disperse as they wish will hopefully even out things a bit. I know there will still be 'approved' NIL deals and under the table money but the straight out pay for play bidding wars will hopefully subside. Actually, as bad as I hate to see it I do agree that we should put most of our 'payout' resources on players already on the team that have shown their worth and portal players that have already shown production at the college level rather than HS recruits. Paying big bucks to HS signees who will likely play little as true freshmen and who, if they do, will likely check out the transfer portal right after the season doesn't make a lot of financial sense when your resources are limited. So as disappointed as I am with our lack of interest from MS HS recruits, I'm trying not to let it bother me much because its a different day and time. If we show improvement on the field we will likely get the opportunity to take another crack at them later in the portal. I really think going forward the number of college football players that never check out the portal will be in the minority.
Agree. We need a mix. We also need the good but "want to be MSU" guys (Taylor). Don't sleep on the guys that are very good 3 stars but high character, leaders too. We've had a bunch over the years and these guys are winners. That is how we win. We'll never win the glamor or $$ war and never have.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Lo'Kavian Jackson is one of those guys this year. We held off some late pushes from Louisville, and I believe Miami, to keep him. I think we'll see him in the rotation before the end of the year.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
please list what position group these guys are expected in since we have little knowledge of their names.
Bump/Update: As usual our Top 10 in the nation Kicker only got an .81 ranking dropping the class to #35 with a per player ranking of .8648 with 25 commits. OM just moved past us with only 13 commits , #31, .9010 avg ranking per player, (No big $urprise). The remaining SEC teams will also pass us as they fill their classes and we will be last in the conference in with a class in the high '40's, HS recruiting, Unless, some of these guys blow up in their SR seasons and we manage to hold on to them in December. Also really bothers me that we have gone from DLU to not getting any highly regarded MS DL. Thought that was one of the reasons we kept Turner. But every top player wants $$$$$. To end up last in the SEC in HS recruiting class makes me really question this "staff" on and off the field if this does happen. Long way until December, but only one borderline 4 star at this point? How long since this has happened? We must win quickly and look exciting doing it on both sides of the ball. Who wants to go to an 2-10, 0-8 program in this NIL world to boot?
even the ones who aren't very good want $$$
Regardless of the what, how, or why, we are losing the battle in a major way in recruiting. There is no way around it.
gotta win some
Update: Class national ranking has dropped to #36, 25 commits, .8646 avg player ranking. Only one borderline 4 star There are about a dozen or so name programs with a higher avg player ranking that will easily pass us as they fill their slots. Long way until December but without some of these guys blowing up their SR year and us keeping those who do, this class could easily finish 50th in the nation and last in the SEC. Must win some this season and look competitive and fun to watch in losses to change the perception of our program and get some quality flips.
Jonathon Banks instantly came to mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
The Hill rb from Tupelo carried them through the season and winning the state championship in 7A by himself at times. Dude is easily a high ranked 4 star pushing low 5 star. To be ranked a 3 star is pure comedy and bias. He's been the best player in their team the last 3 years.
We are MSU, kid gonna lose a star and half just coming to us. Been going on for years. We'll take your Chris Jones 2 star and rankings can shove it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Except that Chris was a 5 star. Was rated the second best player in the country by signing day.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
Hill is criminally underrated, but this class is still very underwhelming. Really bad defensively.
This has been an issue for years and I'm not sure how to correct it. Kamario Taylor was laughably underrated last year. And that was after performing well at Elite 11.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
They don't really respect the overall talent level of MS HS football. Because for every Kamario Taylor superhuman there's a 5'10 CB that runs a 5.1 he's playing against, especially at the 3A level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Hes a legit SEC player. A lot of teams wont want him as a RB cause he will prolly run a 4.6-4.8 but he plays faster than that. Can catch, can block. He could end up a hell of a ILBQuote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
It?s the same way in Alabama, Louisiana, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
If our state would ever stand up for itself we would look a lot better. We played the MS AL game short handed and in AL every year forever until here lately. And the tide has turned a bit. Even when we have lost it has been a close game. And everyone loves to say how talented AL HSFB is. We have been right there with them
I'm not really sure it matters if the vast majority of the state's elite players are all going to go out of state. Everyone has a right to make their own school choice for whatever reason (NIL money, chance to win something, etc.) but it sure would be nice if the HS players in state had more loyalty to the in state schools. We've always had more than our share to leave the state if given the opportunity but now with NIL, we can't seem to keep any of them. This year we are having trouble even getting some of them to visit.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Mississippi recruits are super talented just as the rest of the southern states- just less refined and a little more dumb. Miss recruits just need a little more growth usually on the college level. Thats why Mullen was so successful. He found the guys that needed developing and developed them. The portal has hurt this state on that
He's faster than a 4.6 and definitely not an LB over a RB. Dude is gifted with the ball in his hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
He committed as a 2-star. Everyone panicked about taking a 2-star kid so early. I told everyone he was better than Kimdichee (sp?) and got laughed off the board. Pretty funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
The portal is killing development. It's almost not a job requirement for a college coach anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Yes I know but he was a 2 star when we got him. If he had not blown up people in camp that summer, he would have signed a nobody that turned into top DL in nation.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Except he didn't blow up at any summer camp. Hevesy and Mullen kept him from going to camp at Bama and LSU. He was a 3 star by the time the end of the season rolled around. He went down to the MS/AL game and showed out and then went to the UA AA game and blew up. That's when the hype kicked into overdriveQuote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
May be, I just remember he was #2 in nation by signing day.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
He had moved schools multiple times and was completely raw. No one had heard of him until the summer before his Sr season. He went to State's camp and the coaches were trying to keep him hidden. It didn't work. He blew up but he stuck to his commitment.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
I doubt he runs a 4.6. He can catch and do all of it. Im just telling you why he?s rated where he is. Probably because of 40 time at camos and he?s committed to usQuote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
He is 10x the football player that Branson Robinson was.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Recruiting used to be (1) can they play? (2) what are their measureables?
Now it's (1) what are their measureables? (2) how big is their social media presence. (3) how much is he going to costs? (4) can they play?
Tylan Wilson to TAMU. Another Mississippi 4 star.
Yep!Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
Agree and in that list, where is the intangebles? Problem is he got no heart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
We gotta be smart on who we get. Remember the year we had the big 5star DL and the 2 star DB from the same HS. The DL was a bust and the DB was Tavez Calhoun who was a stud. Give me more of that.
Quay Evans vs Willie Gay
kiffin had a player shot and killed last night in cordova TN
Ole Miss and State both have an issue with in state kids right now. No matter what ranking you look at, Ole Miss has one top 10 commitment and we have none. Tennessee has more than the both of us combined. Sac State has one, Texas has one, A&M now has one, Bama has one. LSU has one or two depending on which ranking you use.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZedFedder
Like it's not a Mississippi State problem. It's a statewide problem. Now, if we show live this year I think there's a few that will come back into the fold, mainly the Tennessee guys. But it's still a huge worry.
The difference is that OM is getting four star guys from other states.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Update or maybe more accurately a "Downdate". We have now dropped to a national ranking of #37 and still have only 1 borderline 4 star and 24 three stars, (many with very questionable offer sheets). There are approximately 18 name programs that are behind us but have a higher per player ranking and many spots to fill that will likely pass us. Long way until December and a genespage article mentioned some of these players may be processed for other programs' processed players before signing day in this NIL madness. We better hope some of the guys blow up their Senior year and we can keep them also. If not, this class could end up in the high 40's or low 50's, probably the worse class in my long State life.