I?ve gotten to the point where I think having a familiarity with State or SEC baseball culture as an assistant carries as much weight as being a HC anywhere else where there is no fan support or pressure.
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I?ve gotten to the point where I think having a familiarity with State or SEC baseball culture as an assistant carries as much weight as being a HC anywhere else where there is no fan support or pressure.
then put up or zip it. He's better in a competitive sense than what we currently have. I bet you'd say the same to his relatives and hey, even say it to coggin himself. you must be a big ole boy. i like the panties in a wad comment. we need a dam HC with a spine. we dam sure ain't got one now. We will be relegated to finishing 12-16 in the league if we don't have an AD who sees this. big boy know it all boosters be damned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Every coach we have hired in baseball had a worse job that was lower than State when they accepted our job. We have never hired a Top guy.
Polk from Georgia Southern
Patty Mac- promoted from within and he left us for Fla
Polk 2 as he really never wanted to leave in the 1st place
John Cohen from Kentucky. 20 years ago our job was alot better. That gap has closed but we are still a better job
Cann- went the top Asst route because other top guys turned us down
Lemon- HC from a lower school after numerous top guys turned us down
We have never hired a top coach and we never will. We will hire a HC from a lesser program or a Top Asst ready to be a HC. This summer we'll see that play out again
Every job outside the SEC is a lesser job reallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Mac was HC at ODU and came back to be HC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Mac was an asst at State- left to be a HC- and then came back for a couple of years with the promise he would be the HC after Polk. He came back for 2 years before he was made HC. We promoted from within as I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
It becomes supply and demand at a certain point.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
They clearly don't care about paying 4 million for a QB but they're going to break the bank for Vitello?
We care more about baseball than Tennessee does. More or less comes down to whether Vitello wants to come here. Which is why it's worth asking and trying. If Alabama didn't try to get Nick Saban they wouldn't have gotten him either and I guarantee you the Dolphins owner would have won a bidding war against Alabama.
I don't think Vitello is out of our pride range or theirs. Really a matter of want and fit.
lol- they already pay him more than twice what we pay. In no world of reality are we going to pay a baseball coach $4MM or even 5MM that it would take to just get the HC- then the other salaries for the rest of the staff. It's lunacy to even think it's possible. Our next HC is gonna be making about $800K as a first time HC most likelyQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Vitello isn't leaving TN and we aren't paying what it would take for his buyout either
Polk was hired at a time when we had one CWS appearance and had never won a game in Omaha. Was actually a pretty crazy situation between D'Armi, Bragan, and Polk and involved people like Alex Grammas who was the Brewers manager at the time and a MSU alum and former player. Polk left Georgia Southern because of lack of commitment and we got him after a pit stop at Miami where he left GSU to be an assistant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Pat McMahon- already been said. Essentially run off because he wasn't Polk.
Polk 2- could have had Manieri and LT chose to make some alumni happy instead of doing what was best for MSU. Also could have had Augie Garrido around 1991 but Polk decided to come back after some boosters talked him into coming back which led to the eventual Pat McMahon assistant head coach situation.
Cohen- Greg Byrne told people 17 you were hiring Cohen from Kentucky. Could have hired a number of people like Steve Smith, Brian Shoop, and of course Tommy Raffo. There were rumors about Polk calling up Pat Casey who Byrne was interested in and talked him out of taking the job. Same with Tim Corbin.
Cann- in a sign of things to come Cohen 17ed this up. By far the least qualified candidate MSU has ever hired. We hired Cann in October which would be like hiring a football coach in July. No way we could do a proper search at that point. Should have made Henderson the interim for 2017....
Henderson- and it happened anyway in 2018. Mike Brown doesn't get near the credit he deserves for his work with that team. So our interim had SEC head coaching experience and was more qualified than Cann.
Lemonis- Cohen 17ed this up by running his mouth and basically told everyone we were hiring Schlossnagle. When that fell through he begged Dan McDonnell for the job and we ended up with Louisville's sloppy seconds. And we begged Tim Corbin to take the job AGAIN. At least twice.
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Originally Posted by Coach34
Who is really paying for this? "We" or Richard Adkerson? If the athletic department gets a 16 million dollar donation in July I think that will answer that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Buyouts are negotiable by the way.
If he's giving the AD 16MM that means baseball will get about 3MM to buy out Lemon and the staff. Then we will hire a top asstQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I know, I him well. It shocked us that he hired Jim Case and not Timmy when he took got the head gig. His first game as HC he passed a sticky note to my dad from the dugout, It said " Help I need a line up, quickly".Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Nope. Richard has say where his money goes. That's why football doesn't get a lot of it. He's just not a fan of football. Nothing against the staff or anything like that. He just would rather us be good in basketball. They've convinced him to care about baseball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Richard, if you're reading this, for all that is holy, please give the money to football (and thank you for making basketball good again).Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Hey I'm all for a big infusion into baseball. But basketball isnt getting any cheaper. We shall see when we start the process in about a monthQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Still nothing on what Coggin did.
It's not that he's giving that much to baseball but I think if Selmon asked him he'd cut a check for 4-5 million for a buyout.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Well, I hope we are talking to some agents already and are smart enough to not be used as a pay raise by current SEC HC'sQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
That's my worry. We already know Cliff Godwin will do exactly that. Wes Johnson will probably do that as well. I could also see O'Sullivan doing it. We don't need to waste our time with candidates like that. We just have to be very diligent with who we're after.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
It's very simple. Don't focus on one guy. Kick the tires on Vitello and go all in on him but at the same time talk to Sabins at West Virginia and Vaughn at Alabama. Maybe Saarloos at TCU too. If they all act weird go get Coggin.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Cohen would go all in on Vitello and if he said no he would panic and beg Corbin and then settle for Elander because Vitello recommended him.
Any of the four I just mentioned in the first paragraph would be awesome. Vaughn might be able to bring Lebron with him. Sabins is known for player development and will actually have resources at MSU. Coggin is elite in the portal and we could use that.
Nobody is leaving an SEC job to come to State.
And most likely no high level P4 job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
There's a chance for Vaughn now because Early has righted the ship in College Station. You give me Vaughn and Lebron and I'll start booking Omaha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Rob Vaughn might. He's a distant 3rd fiddle at Bama. He'd have baseball only boosters here. We may not be more attractive than a lot of SEC jobs, but we are more attractive than Bama.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Mingione would walk through hell in a gasoline suit if we offered him our job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I doubt he would but I dont want anybody that cant beat Lemon eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
And if Fowler doesn't go pro he's probably ours no matter who our coach is.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I thought that way back when but the word is now that he loves being more north. And then secondly- would hate to see us hire a clown as HCQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
If he said that someone from MSU told him he wasn't going to be offered our job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I don't think he is that good anyway so not a big deal.
That's the word because he's not getting our job. He'd probably be behind Coggin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
But Mingione would walk on broken glass to come take our job.
Corbin is old and its too late to leave
Sully almost no chance unless he felt like things were getting stale at Fla. He is at the end of an age gap where it would make sense but if he is at Fla another couple years he's never leaving
Tenn is going to build a statue for Vitello before he leaves
Kentucky's coach is a clown
Manieri is too old
Mizzou's coach shouldnt even be a juco HC
A&M's just got his gig
Schloss will retire at Texas with his buddy there
Johnson will retire at LSU
Mini-me aint leaving Georgia- would use this for a pay raise.
Butch is solid where he is
Vaughn is just getting everything in place at Bama. Highly unlikely he bolts. Cant even beat Lemon
Skip has OU where he wants it and is 58. Highly unlikely
Bunko saved his job for another couple of years this season it looks like
UPig's huckleberry should be grooming his successor
We are hiring a Top Asst or the HC from somewhere like Purdue or some shit as we have with our last 2 hires
Don't forget that Cohen isn't running this search. He completely botched the last search running his mouth. Selmon isn't going to do that. He also hired Cann which happened at a weird time to hire a head baseball coach. Was essentially like Ole Miss hiring Luke after the Freeze scandal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
If Cohen was our AD he would be telling Bo Bounds that we're going to hire a sitting SEC head coach who has a NC and a beard. And then end up with Elander.
Coggin might be the favorite right now to get the job but we're going to probably end up with someone like Sabins at West Virginia.
Cohen saying that on Bo Bound's show didnt affect anything about the search. All it did was raise expectations by our fanbase that shouldnt have been raised in the 1st place. It had no effect on who was willing to take our job. I certainly think we could get someone like the coach at WV. Hiring a top asst could be an awesome hire as well. it's working well for Tenn and had Cann not been an idiot he was laying some groundwork here for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Can Lemon pull a 2022 Bunko out of his ass? Clock's ticking. Gonna be an interesting May
Coggin isn't the favorite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
who is the favorite. don't hold back since you are full of solid info.
It absolutely took away our leverage to hire Schlossnagle. No reason to put it out there publicly at all. Schlossnagle may have been our coach if it wasn't the worst kept secret in baseball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Nor should he be. His resume isn't as good as Sabins or Vaughn.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Part of that was Schloss himself. He confirmed to the TCU media in their after the season meeting that he essentially was going to take our job. Then when TCU pressed him to inform them he tried to force our hand to go ahead and announce while we were still playing. I still think we should have done it. Cohen knew Gary Henderson was not getting that job. We also should have listened when he tried to meet with Cohen in Omaha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I've never really understood this. Why would Schloss need us to announce it? I get that TCU may have been pressing him but why couldn't he just tell them behind closed doors until we finished?Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve