The lemonis era has to end

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

First of all let me say that the foster family that Polk put into place was and is a great thing. Especially for players from out of state.

But I do suspect that the roots of the behavior of the weird fans probably started with that program. Because whether you have a rig or not in the LFL knowing players is a status thing in Starkville. Having a rig AND knowing players? Mega Status in Starkville. We have plenty of fans like Maroon Mary that do the same things with players as far as being involved or over involved with MSU athletes.

The overall success of the baseball program only caused the roots to grow.

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And you're probably right. I just don't understand how knowing players is a status thing. Like they're regular college kids who happen to play baseball. They still party, they still go to bars, they still do all the things that normal college kids do. They just are on the field playing while they're friends are drinking beer in the outfield.

It's just weird to me tbh. I was in school from 2012-2016 and we knew the players and hung out with them but it wasn't a big deal. They were students like the rest of us and they acted like that. We didn't treat them any differently. It just seems like since about 2018 our players have been put on this pedestal like they're these gods.

You know, I've been going to MSU football games ever since I moved here in '86 and not one has a stanger asked me to eat or drink at their tailgate. Damn selfish tailgates! We should outlaw tailgating at football!

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Originally Posted by Mjoelner34

You know, I've been going to MSU football games ever since I moved here in '86 and not one has a stanger asked me to eat or drink at their tailgate. Damn selfish tailgates! We should outlaw tailgating at football!

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Wear the colors of the opposing team, it'll be a better experience for you.

I'll sum all my thoughts up with this:

I don't care who these people give food to. It's their rig and their spot. I myself would be more likely to start throwing the food at the other team instead of feeding them, so I just don't give them any food. And I'm not saying give food to any Mississippi State fan that comes out there and tell the opposing fans to stick their forks where the sun don't shine. You can still feed the opposing team WHEN WE WIN. What I'm saying is that it's a bad look to get our ass handed to us and then crow on Twitter about how nice and welcoming we were to the other team WHO SWEPT US. It's a lot like a mentality we USED TO make fun of around here. I think it's goes something We Never Lose a Party......apparently that's what we celebrate now. This is why I call it The Grove now. Because it's just that. We care more about the stuff happening off the field than the stuff happening on the field. The Lounge has always been a party but the party paused when the ball is in play. Now the game itself seems like a hindrance to the party.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

And you're probably right. I just don't understand how knowing players is a status thing. Like they're regular college kids who happen to play baseball. They still party, they still go to bars, they still do all the things that normal college kids do. They just are on the field playing while they're friends are drinking beer in the outfield.

It's just weird to me tbh. I was in school from 2012-2016 and we knew the players and hung out with them but it wasn't a big deal. They were students like the rest of us and they acted like that. We didn't treat them any differently. It just seems like since about 2018 our players have been put on this pedestal like they're these gods.

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I think they have been on a pedastal for awhile before you were a student. On the old Genespage there were always a select few defending players to the death.

It's just now with social media and stuff like that our weird fans can take things to the next level like posting pictures with players and stuff like that.

You are right- they're just college kids who can play baseball.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

They think that we're poor ole Mississippi State. They took our food and whipped our ass. And they think they're going to do it in every sport. They don't give a flying 17 about us. And no I actually don't run down Starkville. I love it. That's why I have a 17 condo there. I think I'm pretty gd committed. Don't really know about you but there's a few on this board that understand how committed I am to this university. I want it to be the best in everything. I also know that handing out sausages and Miller Lite's to opposing fans doesn't matter. Winning is all that matters. I could less give a 17 whether they spend their money here or in Austin. If that means we scare off some opposing fans from their 3rd plate of smoked sausage then so damn be it. Our programs needs some assholes back in it like Tanner Allen, Jake Mangum, Ethan Small, Konnor Pilkington, Brent Rooker, Nate Lowe, Hunter Renfroe, Adam Frazier, etc. We're soft and it's now extended to the fanbase. Also....how the hell is the best form of promotion of our school promoting they came in swept us and ate like kings while they were doing it?

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We won a natty doing all the things that we do in the outfield now. The only difference now is our coaches aren't getting the job done. I agree on the dirt bags. This team with tanner Allen on it takes two out of three this weekend

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

We won a natty doing all the things that we do in the outfield now. The only difference now is our coaches aren't getting the job done. I agree on the dirt bags. This team with tanner Allen on it takes two out of three this weekend

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And you are right in that it does not affect the game whether we win or lose. But man it just sucks to watch the other team sweep you and then the fans feed them a 3 course meal. I do not mind doing it if that is what you always do, but just send it with a manager or something after the game.

I like that our fans feed players, and end of the day these are just guys on the road alot playing baseball.
Also, I don't like to lose and don't like fans caring more about the others liking them.

Both are true for me. It is just way more fun when we win the series and then give them food and wish them well the rest of the year.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

And you are right in that it does not affect the game whether we win or lose. But man it just sucks to watch the other team sweep you and then the fans feed them a 3 course meal. I do not mind doing it if that is what you always do, but just send it with a manager or something after the game.

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You got to remember though that we fed two other teams that we swept this year. And the outfielders absolutely got heckled this weekend. (Reminds me of that time we had the Florida RF girlfriend picture posted above the right field wall lol). I just know that all the baseball parents I bump into out here in Texas think the world of our program because of the common theme they hear about it. And I love the fact that at the end of the day, our hospitality beats anybody's and honestly it's a breath of fresh air in this NIL/portal/fast paced society. Makes me miss home every time I'm there compared to here.

We fed Notre dame that series where we spanked their tales. They will never forget that too. Jaret even admitted the atmosphere was the difference. Everybody agrees that we make college Baseball better.

We've got a better team than we've shown this season. Lemonis played a soft schedule to get wins and is once again losing to good teams. He sat on his fat ass rubs a lot of recruits the wrong way. He's the low bar for State baseball. My left nut could take this team to a regional and that's about all Lemonis can do.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Don't move the goalpost on me. They will cut bait and can afford to whenever they deem it time, but when it come to facilities they are a bottomless pit of cash. If you had any idea what they spent on that huge area out side the football stadium it would blow your mind. And that doesn't include the upkeep which is just nuts.

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The goalpost didn't move. You just missed the point.

From the archives........ https://www.elitedawgs.com/archive/i...p/t-67884.html

wonder how Lemo will manage the team differently from this past weekend through the next 2 SEC weekends? Who will tell him how?

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

We've got a better team than we've shown this season. Lemonis played a soft schedule to get wins and is once again losing to good teams. He sat on his fat ass rubs a lot of recruits the wrong way. He's the low bar for State baseball. My left nut could take this team to a regional and that's about all Lemonis can do.

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Think we're still trying to come set how much of this is coaching and how much is a player talent issue.

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Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton

Think we're still trying to come set how much of this is coaching and how much is a player talent issue.

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Our talent isn't elite but it's good, coaching is not good

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Our talent isn't elite but it's good, coaching is not good

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Coaching is definitely not good with all the stupid things we do. Talent is pretty good. I think offensively we have a lot of potential though some of our best hitters are not good defenders which creates a problem. But the biggest issue is we are still short one or two SEC level starting pitchers. But we were all saying this during portal time and we never reeled one in and nobody understood why? Pruitt was the best starting portal pitcher we got and he is on IR and was never a sure thing. Pico is pretty dependable it seems, but behind that it's pot luck on what kind of start we will get on Sat and Sun. Need some of the FR guys to grow up fast at this point.

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Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton

Think we're still trying to come set how much of this is coaching and how much is a player talent issue.

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What does it matter? Lemo has been here a LONG time and he's responsible for both the talent and the coaching. If the wins ain't coming, get him out

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

What does it matter? Lemo has been here a LONG time and he's responsible for both the talent and the coaching. If the wins ain't coming, get him out

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Yeah, either way, it's on Lemonis. He's fortunate that there's a portal bc we would be in rough shape with just his high school evaluations.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

And you are right in that it does not affect the game whether we win or lose. But man it just sucks to watch the other team sweep you and then the fans feed them a 3 course meal. I do not mind doing it if that is what you always do, but just send it with a manager or something after the game.

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I don't want to cyberbully you. But I would keep this take to yourself.

I also can't believe that you have a spot in the outfield yet chose to dress as an opposing fan as some kind of experiment. That's insane.

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Originally Posted by Medic601

There are only two careers you can totally be a failure at and not be fired, apparently. A meteorologist and Mississippi State head baseball coach.

If 99% of us failed at our jobs as bad at Lemonis, we would have been fired years ago.

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Clearly you?ve never dealt with government employees.

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Originally Posted by Santiago

I like that our fans feed players, and end of the day these are just guys on the road alot playing baseball.
Also, I don't like to lose and don't like fans caring more about the others liking them.

Both are true for me. It is just way more fun when we win the series and then give them food and wish them well the rest of the year.

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I think there is a misconception out there that the LFL people ONLY care about feeding the players and social media likes.

I definitely think that they would prefer MSU win.

They're going to feed the players anyway. No one is really going to stop that.

That said some of them do get weird with it as we've said. Both can be true.

If I was a baseball player I would feel pretty weird about a 50 year old dude wanting to hang out with me or wanting to invite me over for dinner if I wasn't related to them. That's probably really hard for the baseball player to deal with as well to be honest with you because you can't stop those people from going to the game and that is a hard situation for a 21 year old to deal with IMO.

There is a reason why MSU has a player area in the back of the clubhouse where they can get away from everything basically if they want to. The players need that space because it has to get stressful to take a picture with every Starkville Billy that wants one.

How strong is the current buyout discussion? I get the feeling it might resolve itself before the season ends.

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Originally Posted by Pancho

How strong is the current buyout discussion? I get the feeling it might resolve itself before the season ends.

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I don't think buyout will be an issue.

My gut feeling is that we finish the second half of the SEC season strong and he comes back for another year. If I'm wrong I'm wrong.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I don't think buyout will be an issue.

My gut feeling is that we finish the second half of the SEC season strong and he comes back for another year. If I'm wrong I'm wrong.

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It will play out.

If we play in a Regional Final or make a Super- he is 100% back
If we keep underperforming and end up a 2 or 3 seed that ends up getting rolled early- the money guys I think may make a move

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Originally Posted by Coach34

It will play out.

If we play in a Regional Final or make a Super- he is 100% back
If we keep underperforming and end up a 2 or 3 seed that ends up getting rolled early- the money guys I think may make a move

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It really is that simple. Basically, it's perform or walk.

I don't know about getting fired if we make a regional as a 2 or 3. I'm not saying that I completely disagree with you on that. I just could see it going either way.

These fans acting like he is definitely fired- they may be right at the end of the year but as of now I don't think he is really in that much trouble at this point to be honest.

The lighter wood is only smoldering
Get rolled this weekend and next @ LSU that smoldering begins to flame

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Originally Posted by sandjunky

The lighter wood is only smoldering
Get rolled this weekend and next @ LSU that smoldering begins to flame

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Funny how b4 the season some were pumping sunshine and others saying let's wait and see. Now it's just the opposite.

I'm hoping we win the series this weekend.

At the end of the day, how you finish is the important part. Don't make a Regional or as a 2 or 3 seed then flame out is not our standard. He basically made the bare minimum last year after failing for two years in a row.

We desperately need to see some positive momentum and doing the minimum again isn't it.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

It will play out.

If we play in a Regional Final or make a Super- he is 100% back
If we keep underperforming and end up a 2 or 3 seed that ends up getting rolled early- the money guys I think may make a move

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So now you've subtlety changed it to "make a Regional final" (as if that's something anyone cares about) and he's back too? Give me a break.

If we only win 12 or 13 games in the SEC this year, that's a huge underachievement and he should be fired. I can see how this would be tricky if he then won a Regional (though I'd still support it without a deep Omaha run and some reason for optimism), but the idea that he could save his job by winning one game on Sunday to come in 2nd rather than 3rd in the Regional is ludicrous.

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Originally Posted by basedog

Funny how b4 the season some were pumping sunshine and others saying let's wait and see. Now it's just the opposite.

I'm hoping we win the series this weekend.

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I hope we win to but I honestly hate the feeling that this is what we are stuck with until we move on. Hoping we win a series.

At one point we could confidently go toe-to-toe with anyone in this conference. Now we hope we don't just fall on our face and can squeak one out.

Meanwhile, Kentucky, UGA, OM, and even seems like Bama (now that they have a coach that isn't gambling) are passing us. Think about that.

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Originally Posted by StateDawg44

I hope we win to but I honestly hate the feeling that this is what we are stuck with until we move on. Hoping we win a series.

At one point we could confidently go toe-to-toe with anyone in this conference. Now we hope we don't just fall on our face and can squeak one out.

Meanwhile, Kentucky, UGA, OM, and even seems like Bama (now that they have a coach that isn't gambling) are passing us. Think about that.

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I'd pump the breaks on who is passing us. Arkansas seems to be lacking something but still managed 2 of 3 in Oxford. Vandy started a downhill slide as soon as the financial field got leveled. UGA and LSU have something it is hard to compete with Free tuition AND NIL money. And Georgia won a NC long before we did. Kentucky? Nah. Bama will find the sledding a bit tougher shortly. It is obvious there are huge issues at A&M similar to ours in 2022, not to mention they probably lost the very best baseball coach in the land to their hated rival and he proved in 1 freaking season why he is the best! We have an overpaid lower half of the conference Head Coach who we cannot convince certain people that his NC was built at least 3/4 of the way by previous coaches. The effect Tanner and Rowdey had as leaders of that team is apparently immensely underrated by some of our fans! Lemonis should be coaching at a "Low Expectations" program, not at this pressure cooker! Lemonis at State is like Curley Hellman at LSU football!

Lemonis lost Matt Wyatt after the sweep.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Lemonis lost Matt Wyatt after the sweep.

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I don't know how he'll ever recover from that***


Matt still needs to apologize for the unmitigated disaster that was HailState+.

I remember folks saying lemo was better than johnson at UGA, mingione at UK......like they say down at the fire hall, "the proof is is in the pudding". we look sun belt ready to me

Yeah, he shouldn't be safe if he makes a regional final.

We keep track of Super Regional and CWS appearances on the outfield wall. Not "regional finals". If we go to a regional again as a 2 or 3 and get smacked by the 1 seed twice, that's not really an accomplishment that warrants saving your job vs not saving it.

who honestly thinks he leads the team to finish higher than 13th in the league?

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Originally Posted by Pancho

who honestly thinks he leads the team to finish higher than 13th in the league?

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That LoungeDawg moron on twitter maybe, but he doesn't even watch the games.

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Originally Posted by Pancho

who honestly thinks he leads the team to finish higher than 13th in the league?

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If we end up 13th or only win 12 SEC games then we will be speculating on our new hire in June

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Originally Posted by StateDawg44

I hope we win to but I honestly hate the feeling that this is what we are stuck with until we move on. Hoping we win a series.

At one point we could confidently go toe-to-toe with anyone in this conference. Now we hope we don't just fall on our face and can squeak one out.

Meanwhile, Kentucky, UGA, OM, and even seems like Bama (now that they have a coach that isn't gambling) are passing us. Think about that.

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IMO, we will never see Omaha again under Lemonis. Would love to be wrong but that's the way I see it. His teams don't have an edge and don't play sound, fundamental baseball at least not since the group he inherited left. And to be honest, it's rare these days that a college baseball coach is highly successful without being a bit of an SOB. Cohen was that way, Vitello, Sullivan, Van Horn, etc. all seem to be that way. I just don't think Lemonis demands enough out of his players or coaches and it's obvious with our lack of execution on the field.