Since Leach passed

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Someone having to explain to you why it’s Leach’s fault that we could not replace 3 sh*tty recruiting classes in 1 year has to be an all time troll job. There is just no way you are this ignorant.

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Just couldn't resist? Like a bug to a night light.

Our main issue on defense was depth. Guys left because of our shitty actions AFTER Leach died.

Youre blaming Leach for players leaving, instead of blaming the administration for making shitty decisions following his death. You fkn low lifes can't wait to pounce on the guy passing away because you didn't like his coaching style, nearly 2 years later and you're still blaming the dude. You all couldn't stand the fact that he was actually success at State and had to eat crow when the air raid was working.

I recognize your stupid ass name and feel pretty sure I've had another dumbass argument with you when Leach was alive. Pathetic.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Anyway.

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Smart edit. Pathetic.

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Originally Posted by MBDawg601

Smart edit. Pathetic.

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Better tell your wife to take a plan B pill.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Better tell your wife to take a plan B pill.

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I knew your simple mind would come back with it.

Once again, you couldn't nut hard enough for me to be worried. Too gd wimpy.

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Originally Posted by MBDawg601

Just couldn't resist? Like a bug to a night light.

Our main issue on defense was depth. Guys left because of our shitty actions AFTER Leach died.

Youre blaming Leach for players leaving, instead of blaming the administration for making shitty decisions following his death. You fkn low lifes can't wait to pounce on the guy passing away because you didn't like his coaching style, nearly 2 years later and you're still blaming the dude. You all couldn't stand the fact that he was actually success at State and had to eat crow when the air raid was working.

I recognize your stupid ass name and feel pretty sure I've had another dumbass argument with you when Leach was alive. Pathetic.

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Why are you ignoring the fact the guys that left can?t start on the G5 teams they transferred to, or can?t get playing time on this 2-10 MSU team. Why are you ignoring the players who did stay and couldn?t see the field on this historically bad defense? You just said our main issue is depth (it is not, we don?t have starting talent either) but let?s say we are doing your way. Why do you ignore the players currently on this roster who Leach recruited and can?t even see the field in the 2 deep on the worst defense we?ve ever seen at MSU?

Call me a low life all you want, I?ve made it clear I appreciate Leach and what he did while he was here. He also screwed us with bad recruiting. It happens, life isnt roses and ponies

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

Why are you ignoring the fact the guys that left can?t start on the G5 teams they transferred to, or can?t get playing time on this 2-10 MSU team. Why are you ignoring the players who did stay and couldn?t see the field on this historically bad defense? You just said our main issue is depth (it is not, we don?t have starting talent either) but let?s say we are doing your way. Why do you ignore the players currently on this roster who Leach recruited and can?t even see the field in the 2 deep on the worst defense we?ve ever seen at MSU?

Call me a low life all you want, I?ve made it clear I appreciate Leach and what he did while he was here. He also screwed us with bad recruiting. It happens, life isnt roses and ponies

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Don’t bother. He does not have the brain power.

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Originally Posted by MBDawg601

Once again, majority of your post is made up of people that are not on the team.

How is that in any way impacting this year's results and how bad we were defensively?

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Can you do math? I listed 7 players that Leach recruited in his last full class of 2022. 4 are on this team this year. 3 are not. How is 3 out of 7 the majority? Sounds like 4 out of 7 still being on the team is the majority, which makes your first statement factually incorrect.

To make your argument even more pointless, 3 of the 4 who ARE still on the team had a combined 8 tackles this year. You have been complaining all day I can?t talk about players Leach recruited who went to G5 schools and can?t play there, so here ya go. Im talking about the 4 players still on this roster and team this year we went 2-10. Again, 3 of those 4 players had a COMBINED EIGHT TACKLES. They couldn?t see the field on the worst defense MSU has ever fielded.

Tell me where I?m wrong because these are all verifiable facts.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

He was awful all year and got benched the last 2 games. Just like we said he would.

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Behind what? FCS o lineman that Lebby couldn?t even get to come here? By the way how is ducking and rara and tulu and all those wide open WRs doing? They are killing it in the backyard football league

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

Saw this tweet this morning https://x.com/langloismsu/status/186...AiOwVOmMGHXcTA

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Yay! How many games did we win and how many did we score when we werent down by 28? If you throw it deep 20 times a game you might get 5. Remember how y?all bitched Will and Leach to oblivion and said it was only
Because of the amount of passes we threw? Same principle. Except one came with wins and this comes with none

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Yay! How many games did we win and how many did we score when we werent down by 28? If you throw it deep 20 times a game you might get 5. Remember how y?all bitched Will and Leach to oblivion and said it was only
Because of the amount of passes we threw? Same principle. Except one came with wins and this comes with none

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Was just replying to your original post saying we didn?t have explosive plays this year

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Behind what? FCS o lineman that Lebby couldn?t even get to come here? By the way how is ducking and rara and tulu and all those wide open WRs doing? They are killing it in the backyard football league

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It is most certainly anyone else’s fault but Will Rogers that he wasn’t any good again and got benched. We all know that by now. It couldn’t be him. New school, same excuses. If he is as good as you seem to think he is, maybe he should have went to a school with a better supporting cast. I mean surely he had plenty of big time options with a better situation? You spent the entire offseason barking about how awesome he was because he got such a big time quarterback offer to Washington and now it’s a bunch of poor mouthing about how he was surrounded by dog sh*t.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Go back and look at those last few classes under Leach and circle all of those contributors. Especially on defense and tell me it was equal to Mullen's recruiting. Not to mention Leach thought Emerick was good to have around in recruiting. Leach ran a good program, don't mistake me thinking he didn't, but recruiting was not his strong suit.

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Bingo. Recruiting rankings are a joke anyway. Mullen fielded NFL dudes regardless of the rankings. Where are Leach's recruits playing in NFL? Big drop off from Mullen.

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

Can you do math? I listed 7 players that Leach recruited in his last full class of 2022. 4 are on this team this year. 3 are not. How is 3 out of 7 the majority? Sounds like 4 out of 7 still being on the team is the majority, which makes your first statement factually incorrect.

To make your argument even more pointless, 3 of the 4 who ARE still on the team had a combined 8 tackles this year. You have been complaining all day I can?t talk about players Leach recruited who went to G5 schools and can?t play there, so here ya go. Im talking about the 4 players still on this roster and team this year we went 2-10. Again, 3 of those 4 players had a COMBINED EIGHT TACKLES. They couldn?t see the field on the worst defense MSU has ever fielded.

Tell me where I?m wrong because these are all verifiable facts.

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Keep blaming our situation on a guy that is dead and gone. Very forward way of thinking. Has nothing to do with the hires and choices following his death. You are right. Sorry I even debated you.

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Originally Posted by MBDawg601

Keep blaming our situation on a guy that is dead and gone. Very forward way of thinking. Has nothing to do with the hires and choices following his death. You are right. Sorry I even debated you.

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Dead man or not the cupboard was still bare when this staff got here. They are having to bust ass trying to rebuild relationships that we had cultivated over lifetimes that Emerick burned. Playing catch up x 2 from the get go.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Dead man or not the cupboard was still bare when this staff got here. They are having to bust ass trying to rebuild relationships that we had cultivated over lifetimes that Emerick burned. Playing catch up x 2 from the get go.

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Yep. Lebby and Selmon are the right guys. They will right the ship. Thanks you guys for clearing it up.

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Originally Posted by MBDawg601

Yep. Lebby and Selmon are the right guys. They will right the ship. Thanks you guys for clearing it up.

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I didn't say that I simply pointed out facts, but why let something so simple get in the way of screaming at the clouds.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

I didn't say that I simply pointed out facts, but why let something so simple get in the way of screaming at the clouds.

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Why ruin months of screaming and ranting? It will always be something with some people.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Why ruin months of screaming and ranting? It will always be something with some people.

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No kidding.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

It is most certainly anyone else’s fault but Will Rogers that he wasn’t any good again and got benched. We all know that by now. It couldn’t be him. New school, same excuses. If he is as good as you seem to think he is, maybe he should have went to a school with a better supporting cast. I mean surely he had plenty of big time options with a better situation? You spent the entire offseason barking about how awesome he was because he got such a big time quarterback offer to Washington and now it’s a bunch of poor mouthing about how he was surrounded by dog sh*t.

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Uh no I just simply said he went to Washington while y?all said he was headed to MC or western Kentucky. Dont change it now. Hes not Tom Brady but hes one of our best ever, just because you didnt like him won?t change the fact he proved yall wrong at literally every step. From jack Abraham to western Kentucky

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Uh no I just simply said he went to Washington while y?all said he was headed to MC or western Kentucky. Dont change it now. Hes not Tom Brady but hes one of our best ever, just because you didnt like him won?t change the fact he proved yall wrong at literally every step. From jack Abraham to western Kentucky

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You do realize had Abraham not gotten hurt, he was starting for us Wil?s sophomore year..right? That?s literally why Leach brought him in because he didn?t want to play Will.

This thread is better than Gladiator II

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Uh no I just simply said he went to Washington while y?all said he was headed to MC or western Kentucky. Dont change it now. Hes not Tom Brady but hes one of our best ever, just because you didnt like him won?t change the fact he proved yall wrong at literally every step. From jack Abraham to western Kentucky

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If he would have went to Western Kentucky or somewhere similar he would have finished out the year the starter. Instead he went to Washington to go get benched, like I said he would because he’s not that level quarterback.

I genuinely can't believe that this thread went six pages.

Our lack of defensive talent this season is primarily the fault of Coach Leach. This is not debatable.

The fact that we got blown out by Toledo is the fault of Coach Lebby. This is not debatable.

The fact that we had to spend in the portal to overhaul the offense last year was primarily the fault of Coach Leach. This is not debatable.

The fact that we made misevaluations on some of these offensive portal additions is the fault of Coach Lebby. This is not debatable.

The bottom line is that we spent a bunch of NIL money to go 2-10. Lots of kids got paid to stay and lots of kids got paid to transfer/sign here.

Our biggest issue right now is that we are spending money keeping players that are fringe SEC players because we don't know for sure if we can go out and get legit SEC players in the transfer portal.

Since John Lewis just hit the portal, makes me think that we told him that his NIL deal was not being renewed.

Absolutely not a fact that Leach is the reason for this season being so horrid. That is an opinion sir. You have no clue what our defense would have looked like with Leach still alive. You can blame Leach passing on our woes, but you cannot blame the dude for this. He had no part in it.

Folks that do not want to blame the administration for making lazy hires are quick to point at Leach, but he has been dead for 2 years and what we have done since is run the program into the shit hole. Vandy would beat us by 3-4 touchdowns. Let that sink in, Leach wouldn't have let that happen - regardless of talent and he damned sure would not have had a defense ranked 127th in the country. He didn't inherit a great situation from Jo Mo - he had some talent sure, but he won more than 2 games his first year and didn't hire a clueless idiot to run his defense.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

If he would have went to Western Kentucky or somewhere similar he would have finished out the year the starter. Instead he went to Washington to go get benched, like I said he would because he’s not that level quarterback.

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Noodle arm never went 2-10.

Let that sink in.

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Originally Posted by MBDawg601

Absolutely not a fact that Leach is the reason for this season being so horrid. That is an opinion sir. You have no clue what our defense would have looked like with Leach still alive. You can blame Leach passing on our woes, but you cannot blame the dude for this. He had no part in it.

Folks that do not want to blame the administration for making lazy hires are quick to point at Leach, but he has been dead for 2 years and what we have done since is run the program into the shit hole. Vandy would beat us by 3-4 touchdowns. Let that sink in, Leach wouldn't have let that happen - regardless of talent and he damned sure would not have had a defense ranked 127th in the country. He didn't inherit a great situation from Jo Mo - he had some talent sure, but he won more than 2 games his first year and didn't hire a clueless idiot to run his defense.

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lol I love that you just ignore posts with factual information like the one I tagged you in

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

lol I love that you just ignore posts with factual information like the one I tagged you in

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Factual information that supports your opinion. You are pretty dim there sparky.

It cannot be a fact that a guy that died 2 years ago is the reason our defense struggled. You can say our depth blah blah all that shit. It can never be a fact. Only opinion. You are entitled to that. Sure.

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Originally Posted by MBDawg601

Factual information that supports your opinion. You are pretty dim there sparky.

It cannot be a fact that a guy that died 2 years ago is the reason our defense struggled. You can say our depth blah blah all that shit. It can never be a fact. Only opinion. You are entitled to that. Sure.

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hahaha yeah my opinion when I gave you numbers, names, facts, and even did the math for you. So subjective of me.

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hahaha yeah my opinion when I gave you numbers, names, facts, and even did the math for you. So subjective of me.

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This dude has got some amazing issues to work out. Statistics and facts aren?t gonna have much impact on him.

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Originally Posted by MBDawg601

Noodle arm never went 2-10.

Let that sink in.

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Noodle arm had a defense

I didn't read much further than the initial post but this is nothing more than an opinion and it's not going to raise his stock one bit

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Originally Posted by Brobi-wan

This thread is better than Gladiator II

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Was that any good?

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Originally Posted by MBDawg601

Noodle arm never went 2-10.

Let that sink in.

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He would have gone 2-10 this year at State.

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I didn't read much further than the initial post but this is nothing more than an opinion and it's not going to raise his stock one bit

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To sum it up, one is arguing about contributions as a collective. The other is pretending like every one of ML’s recruits dropped out of college when he passed and ignoring the fact that student athletes are supposed to be at an institution for 4 years.

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Originally Posted by MBDawg601

Noodle arm never went 2-10.

Let that sink in.

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Noodle arm went 3-7 tho with a pretty good defense.

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Was that any good?

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It was a solid follow-up to a masterpiece

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Originally Posted by Jarius

If he would have went to Western Kentucky or somewhere similar he would have finished out the year the starter. Instead he went to Washington to go get benched, like I said he would because he’s not that level quarterback.

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Right. Not because you dont know and are talking out your ass. He got hurt from getting destroyed all year so they play another QB who is too short to see but can run around. While you are complaining he will break another all time NCAA record so again, dont forget to take down your I hate Will rogers and his entire family for no reason poster

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Noodle arm went 3-7 tho with a pretty good defense.

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When? Fired coaches club doesn?t count

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

You do realize had Abraham not gotten hurt, he was starting for us Wil?s sophomore year..right? That?s literally why Leach brought him in because he didn?t want to play Will.

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He didnt want to play him but started him for 3 years. Ok. Just take my word for it brother, thats just false

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Leach also was a lazy hire.

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Disagree. Leech is 100% a Hall of Fame Coach that was kind of out of our league, except he was just cookie enough to actually take the job.