That is true. I will not debate that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brobi-wan
BUT in this era you can rebuild in one offseason. Schools like Arizona State have done that for example. They went 3-9 in Dillingham's first year and are currently 8-2.
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That is true. I will not debate that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brobi-wan
BUT in this era you can rebuild in one offseason. Schools like Arizona State have done that for example. They went 3-9 in Dillingham's first year and are currently 8-2.
The transfer portal is the definition of stop gap recruiting. Trying to constantly build your team through the portal isn't sustainable. You have to be able to recruit the high school level players, get them into the program, and develop them. The problem with that is that you aren't going to be able to turn things around "quick enough" by going that route. However, it is more sustainable for success long-term.
Jeff Lebby didn't inherit the type of team Joe Moorhead, who was an established "up-and-coming" head coach (4 years at Fordham with a 38-13 record), inherited in 2018.
You know what's more of a stop gap? Junior college recruiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Since we're about 8 days before this thing gets really rolling I will caution all of you. There will be guys that will see that we are on and if you only look at the school, you will get yourself good and pissed off. Go look at their stats and then make a decision. Take Kpaka for example. We had people who tried to say that could be a good pickup because he was from Purdue. Those same people would've been pissed off had we taken TJ Jackson from Troy instead. Here's their numbers this year:
Sulaiman Kpaka: 23 total tackles, 4 solo, 0 sacks
TJ Jackson (West Virginia): 33 total tackles, 18 solo, 5.5 sacks, 1 FR.
Now, Kpaka would've been a fine pickup if you are picking him up strictly for depth because I do think he's improved this year. But the point I'm trying to make, and I've already seen it in this thread, is that just because someone comes from the G5 doesn't mean they can't play.
I talked to Dave Bartoo about this a couple of weeks ago since he follows these trends. He basically agrees that the portal players who are more often than not going to fail are the ones who are transferring down from better brands/recruiters are cannot get playing time on those teams. Someone like a Ryland Goode, who we took last year when he couldn't get on the field after three years at Georgia. Or someone like Jordan Morant, who was highly recruited but couldn't get on the field at Michigan. Turns out, he can't get on the field here either.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Correct. If it's guys who can't get on the field at those programs and are 3rd year and above guys, then no you don't take them. But if they're still first or second year guys in the program and you have good evals on them, I don't have a problem taking them. I mean look at Trey Amos at Ole Miss. He transferred to Bama from ULL. He was really good at ULL, but couldn't get on the field at Bama. He transfers to OM and will probably be a top 3 round pick.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Now if it's a guy like Gabriel Brownlow-Dindy, 5 star and 11th ranked overall player in the 22 class, we need to be careful. He has been in the program 3 years and has 4 total tackles.
LOL working for Colorado, OM, Missouri, ASU, and just about any school doing it. It's about taking the right players, not just a body.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
To be fair - we don't know that yet. I'm giving Lebby a free pass this year, except for the Toledo game. You will never convince me that we didn't have the talent to beat Toledo. WKU, Buffalo, Bowling Green and Ohio all beat Toledo. We lost to Toledo by 24 points at home.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
I want to ignore that because I really like Lebby and because I want this to work, but that doesn't mean that loss isn't a turd in the punch bowl type loss. Shapen played the whole game.
Lebby has to part ways with that defensive staff. They aren't recruiting or coaching well. I lose confidence in him if he can't figure that out. If Hutzler has to stay on as a Co-DC while a good DC calls the defense, so be it. But we can't run this shit back or Lebby won't be employed here very long.
I do agree that we need to overhaul the staff. If the contract is the big reason Hutzler is staying and you don't feel it will get better with talent, then let him coach LBs and move him to STC. Definitely get rid of Turner. The other two haven't shown me anything one way or the other so if a new DC has guys for those positions then can them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Honest question, how can you judge this defensive staff with the talent we have on the roster? I don't care if we keep Hutzler or fire him today, I just don't know how you can judge a defense when we don't have a DL on the roster that can win a one on one battle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
I guess when it comes to defense I'm a big believer in Jimmy's and Joe's over X's and O's. We don't have a single dude on defense. I don't think we have anyone on the defensive roster that can make an NFL roster. That is the first time I've thought that since following the team. I don't think there is a single guy on the 85 man roster that can make an NFL roster. The only possibility is Isaac Smith and honestly I don't think he has the speed to play in the NFL, he is a solid college safety.
Saying that, I don't know how you judge a DC with that level of talent deficiency. Now, if your response is Toledo scored 41 points, then I hear ya, and its a solid argument. I just think the defense is getting better.
A lot of people made up their mind after Arizona St and Toledo just added fuel to the fire. We were getting better and then Arkansas happened. I think, like you, that's it's more talent than scheme.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
It's a short-term fix. Colorado and Arizona State are in year two of their portal recruiting just to get to the point where they can compete. For every Ole Miss, there is a Florida State. I'm also not throwing shade at portal recruiting. We have to do it to get back to being competitive. It's not something that is sustainable long-term though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
How is Hutzler not recruiting well when four of our six four star rated players are defenders?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
If we don't have the talent to be competitive with Toledo, then that's on this staff too. There are enough defensive players out there in the portal each year to at least supplement even a bad SEC defense and be a competitive G5 defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
But I think you judge it based on just how out of position we are. If a DB gets beat because he's not athletic enough, he's still going to generally be somewhere in the vicinity. When a team can go long on 4th down because they know they can get three receivers deep and us only get two DBs back to cover them, that's coaching.
We have to be at the bottom of opponent completion percentage. I understand our dline sucks. Blitz somebody. The scheme sucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
Wow, seems like Hutzler was coaching ST/LB at bama, and we give him $1 million for 3 years to learn to be our DC (did something similar under Arnett but maybe not $1 million per). Who continues to sign off on our "On the Job Training Program" for AD's, HC's and DC's at State?*****Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I've been off Hutzler since Florida, but I will say Arkansas was the only game where we didn't keep getting better and it was the only one without all of your DL (Dinkins, Trevion, KBJ, and Russel). In games where Trevion and Russell have been back, the upward trajectory has continued. Will see how Mizzou goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Getting better? We will probably go 2-10 and end the season close to last in most "D" stats nationally. This is definately a combination of poor talent and bad coaching.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
This 100%. Been to every home game and opposition receivers still running wide open.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
Dinkins has been out since the first game. I think the same thing happened last year. Hurt two years in a row.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Getting back to actually reporting transfer news, which is what the thread was created for, Jayven Williams from Kennesaw State is visiting this weekend. I actually added him to the list yesterday. Pretty good numbers for a corner and he's 6'2 so he'll be in that Emerson and Forbes mold. I wouldn't say he's a starter candidate or anything, but he's better than a lot of the guys currently in that room.
It's incredibly frustrating. We're not getting proven head coaches, but we are not in such a bad position that we have to pair first time Head Coaches with first time or even inexperienced coordinators.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
Mullen is one of the most arrogant coaches we've had who had zero doubts in his coaching ability, and he made it a point to get a DC not just with DC experience, but with prior head coaching experience. If you are a first time head coach and Dan Mullen is more humble than you, you really ought to consider whether you are maybe over confident.
I liked Arnett, but being a young first time head coach and bringing in an inexperienced OC to completely change the offensive scheme when you have an offensive roster full of upper classmen doesn't even qualify as arrogant. It's just stupid. He took what was already a difficult situation and made it impossible to succeed.
Guys I mean no disrepect, but let's try to keep this to transfer portal stuff. I get we're all pissed with the defense, but let's try to post about it in the 583 other threads discussing it.
We gave up a season high for points in an SEC game for TN, Georgia QB broke records against, Arkansas QB went off, us, etc. etc. we haven't gotten better, our overall ranking in defense has gotten worse actually. It's fallen like 9 spots since earlier this season. We are bottom 6 in college football now.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Could we pin this so it stays at the top of page 1?
Scooba is going to pin it in the next week or so. It will be pinned by the time the portal officially opens on December 9. Although I imagine next Sunday we will start to see a lot of names say they are entering.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walkerhill
Use the money on the LOS. You can mask a lot of holes if you're good on the LOS
This is correct / average at skill positions with GOOD in the trenches gives you a chance in every game.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
First Portal haul is the CB out of Kennesaw State.
Like I said the other day, like his game. I do not believe he starts for us, but he is a long athletic corner. It is a solid first pickup. Now we need about 20 more defensive players.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog
This might be a dumb question, but if he doesn't start for us, how is he a solid pickup?Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
We'll lose a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
Doesn't matter if we don't lose the coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
Maybe this should concern me, but with a team this awful, I wouldn't hate completely resetting like prime time did 2 years ago at ColoradoQuote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
But he totally whiffed on defense in year 1. Their defensive line was almost as porous as ours this year. We need Deion’s 2nd haul.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
This transfer stuff makes everything complicated. I suspect we will have a largely brand new team next year on both sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
We need to lose a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
I think that is probably because most of the transfer dealings are done off the table through representatives or family in the fall before the coaching changes in late November and December. We always hear you can overhaul a roster and win toght away, but it seems much more likely in the second year when a new coach has a full recruiting cycle. Colorado, Arizona State and Georgia Tech are examples.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
OM with Kiffin in year 2 had some impact transfers. They go 10-3 in year 2. It was also because they were year 2 in a system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walkerhill