Excitement Level for Football on a 1-10?

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Originally Posted by confucius say

That's an ongoing thread. Every time there is a new portal addition, there are new posts. Not the same thing.

But thank you for fandom over so many years. Good stuff!

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All began with my late SuperDawg Dad who attended State in the early '60's driving round trip 4 hrs to day classes while spreading cloth at Blue Bell at night with myself and my younger sister at home. He got in on the Bulldog Club from Day One. He told me that the best college player he ever saw play was Jackie Parker. He was hardcore State and raised me the same way, as I have raised my 23 year old son. His later business success set the family up for this run in supporting MSU. I am proud and humble to say my nephew brought his 4 year old daughter and 2 year old son to their first games this past season, the 4th generation of our family. Dad died far too young at 59 in 1995. His favorite two teams, as mine, are State and whoever is playing OM! Hail State in all ways!

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

621 posts to date regarding the Baseball portal for 2025 & I am post #61 on excitement level thread for FB which kicks off end of next month. Losing Leach (loved the man, hated his boring short passing game, JMO), followed by the Arnett disaster, NIL and worse the portal has put a downer feel to many fans. Heck, ticket sales are so low for the E KY game you can get 4 tickets & a parking pass for $49 (got the email yesterday). Hardcore friend who has season tickets in FB, baseball, & MBB changed his seats in Section D from row 20 to get a little higher view of the field. He said it was unreal how many seats in section D were available at that time. We need to look exciting and score on O, be surprising on D & start off 4-0 to get people excited about Lebby and Co. asap! Hail State!

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So we basically need to be the 2024 1st-month version of Deion Sanders 2023 Colorado Buffalos and crescendo into the 2nd half of the season and NOT fall flat.

I'm actually pumped to see Lebby and crew get on the field this year and put some points on the scoreboard.

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Originally Posted by WSOPdawg

So we basically need to be the 2024 1st-month version of Deion Sanders 2023 Colorado Buffalos and crescendo into the 2nd half of the season and NOT fall flat.

I'm actually pumped to see Lebby and crew get on the field this year and put some points on the scoreboard.

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Sounds like a plan! Hail State!

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

A poorly attended game doesn't look good on TV, to recruits or bring needed ticket/gameday revenue to us. I wish we didn't schedule teams like this (JMO), but as per the last 55 consecutive season ticket years my family and I will be there. At least it's not a 11:00 am kickoff.

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We'll have a great crowd though, watch

3 --- I am not excited about football at all for the upcoming season. If Lebby's offense wins us 7-8 games and recruting keeps getting better then I could see it going up to a 7-8 by the end of the season but right now I am expecting 5 wins and that is it.

I give it a 3 becaue I do think Lebby could be a good coach and bring a lot for the future but 5 coaches in 7 years and then throw in the 2 stints by Knox as interim we have had 7 different coaches in 7 years. Get that? It's been a mess...

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Originally Posted by confucius say

I'm actually about a 8 to 8.5. Which is more than I've been in a few years. That's even though my expectations are low, just hoping for 6-6.
I think it's the expectation of being entertaining offensively.

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My excitement is lower every year, since the advent of NIL and portal. I see the proverbial handwriting on the wall for our athletic programs. Won't be able to keep up. It's pro sports now.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

People were to busy bitching about Rogers, and Leach, and the OL, and the defense, and Cohen to notice we won 9 games and finished ranked

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My excitement meter is a 10 for CFB every year, including this one. As for the b*tching about certain things that year you are talking about, Go check out Washington’s O/U for this year on the sports books. It’s 6.5. The ones of us b*tching about that had a legit gripe. It cost us a special season.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Lowest it's ever been. 2.

I can't name 3 players.

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I can't either. I'll rate it a 3 and it's more about all the changes in college football that have affected my enthusiasm overall.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

As for the b*tching about certain things that year you are talking about, Go check out Washington’s O/U for this year on the sports books. It’s 6.5.

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They have Rogers as their QB. 6.5 is about where it should be

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Originally Posted by Coach34

They have Rogers as their QB. 6.5 is about where it should be

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That was my point.

Also, in case anyone wants to know why OM is where they are and why we are where we are, take a look at this website. Half the damn threads are about an Olympic sport that no one outside 10 fanbases in the country give a damn about and it’s weeks before the start of college football. The priorities of this fanbase are all out of whack with our competition. We are more concerned about a half funded niche sport that we have sucked in for 3 years than we are the sport that everyone else in our neighborhood is cutthroat about. We need an entire mindset overhaul. I wish we could take baseball and throw it in the ocean.

Careful there Jarius. This take might get you banned!*** i love State in all ways and would even watch us play tiddly winks, especially if against OM, but the first FB game is 8/31 & FB wags all the other Dogs except MBB $ wise. BTW, our first National Championship was Frisbee Golf, I am told.*****

I'm less excited every year and will continue on that path as long as the present NIL/portal situation is as messed up as it is. NCAA sports are simply pro sports now. The esprit de corps that made college sports so special has been lost.

8 for State, expecting a good offense. I think we go 6-6, possibly 7-5.

But I'm an optimist and thought no way would 2023 State win fewer than 6. Lost a lot of money betting on that. If I could get State over 4.5 I'd put another bunch on it, but not going to chance over 5.5.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Also, in case anyone wants to know why OM is where they are and why we are where we are, take a look at this website. Half the damn threads are about an Olympic sport that no one outside 10 fanbases in the country give a damn about and it’s weeks before the start of college football. The priorities of this fanbase are all out of whack with our competition. We are more concerned about a half funded niche sport that we have sucked in for 3 years than we are the sport that everyone else in our neighborhood is cutthroat about. We need an entire mindset overhaul. I wish we could take baseball and throw it in the ocean.

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Find an extra $15m a year we can spend on football (coaching salaries, off field staff, and NIL... you'd need more than 15m to compete on facilities) and then sure, let's expect to compete with the big boys.

Right now, as far as I'm concerned we have a program we can win nattys in and a program we can make the Gator bowl in. Personally, I am more interested in following the first even though the 2nd is financially more important to the university

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

Find an extra $15m a year we can spend on football (coaching salaries, off field staff, and NIL... you'd need more than 15m to compete on facilities) and then sure, let's expect to compete with the big boys.

Right now, as far as I'm concerned we have a program we can win nattys in and a program we can make the Gator bowl in. Personally, I am more interested in following the first even though the 2nd is financially more important to the university

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If our in state rival that we have been equals with for almost our entire existence can find the money, so can we. The problem is that we spent 60 million dollars (30 that wasn’t funded by donors) on a niche sport stadium and god knows how much on NIL that no one outside of a few fanbases give a damn about. Every other fanbase in the SEC would trade 100 baseball national titles for 1 football national title, but ours would rather worry about grilling hot dogs and feeding opposing players than actually putting forth the effort and financial commitment to compete in the sport that actually matters. Your opinion is a cancer to our athletics department and one day there are going to be super conferences that we have a real shot to get left out of and you guys can enjoy hosting southern miss and Troy every weekend in your big nice stadium.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

If our in state rival that we have been equals with for almost our entire existence can find the money, so can we. The problem is that we spent 60 million dollars (30 that wasn’t funded by donors) on a niche sport stadium and god knows how much on NIL that no one outside of a few fanbases give a damn about. Every other fanbase in the SEC would trade 100 baseball national titles for 1 football national title, but ours would rather worry about grilling hot dogs and feeding opposing players than actually putting forth the effort and financial commitment to compete in the sport that actually matters. Your opinion is a cancer to our athletics department and one day there are going to be super conferences that we have a real shot to get left out of and you guys can enjoy hosting southern miss and Troy every weekend in your big nice stadium.

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Good luck trying to fight the fight. We have too many good ol boys with inferiority complexes in this fan base.

I would rather go to a CFB playoff game once every 10 years than win 5 national championships in a row in baseball. It wouldnt hurt my feelings if we only played Grandslam and perfect game tourneys in flowood every year instead

Fortunately Selmon gets it and is doing things to appease the baseball meatheads on the surface but his focus among big NIL boosters is football and basketball behind the scenes

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Originally Posted by msugolf

Good luck trying to fight the fight. We have too many good ol boys with inferiority complexes in this fan base.

I would rather go to a CFB playoff game once every 10 years than win 5 national championships in a row in baseball. It wouldnt hurt my feelings if we only played Grandslam and perfect game tourneys in flowood every year instead

Fortunately Selmon gets it and is doing things to appease the baseball meatheads on the surface but his focus among big NIL boosters is football and basketball behind the scenes

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What's the point in being mediocre at everything? Id rather suck at one sport and be elite in another. Baseball is the only one that we have that potential in. Football we will NEVER be able to compete with the elite, never. Our history should make that clear

Your football only. Great, you have the right to be. But don't pretend like there's some rational reason you prefer to barely be relevant in football once a decade vs winning 10 nattys in another sport. It's just your personal preference because football is what you care about

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Originally Posted by Jarius

If our in state rival that we have been equals with for almost our entire existence can find the money, so can we. The problem is that we spent 60 million dollars (30 that wasn’t funded by donors) on a niche sport stadium and god knows how much on NIL that no one outside of a few fanbases give a damn about. Every other fanbase in the SEC would trade 100 baseball national titles for 1 football national title, but ours would rather worry about grilling hot dogs and feeding opposing players than actually putting forth the effort and financial commitment to compete in the sport that actually matters. Your opinion is a cancer to our athletics department and one day there are going to be super conferences that we have a real shot to get left out of and you guys can enjoy hosting southern miss and Troy every weekend in your big nice stadium.

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Yes. We should ban the LFL and suck in baseball and dedicate those resources to football so they can go from averaging 7-5 season to averaging 8-4.

Id rather be elite in something and suck at other sports than mediocre in everything

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

What's the point in being mediocre at everything? Id rather suck at one sport and be elite in another. Baseball is the only one that we have that potential in. Football we will NEVER be able to compete with the elite, never. Our history should make that clear

Your football only. Great, you have the right to be. But don't pretend like there's some rational reason you prefer to barely be relevant in football once a decade vs winning 10 nattys in another sport. It's just your personal preference because football is what you care about

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Well then let?s just cancel football and try to be elite at mens and womens golf, tennis, soccer too. Lets tell the Sec we arent interested in football and we want to be the Gonzaga of the southeast, except in a sport that doesnt make money and where 10 percent of people care about.

Heres the kicker, if we dont put an effort into football going forward then we will get left out when there is the next conference restructuring. And then youre precious baseball program will be left with a schedule full of Tulane, Troy, MdTN, and USM on those spring weekends. Good luck selling that?with no TV contract as well.

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Originally Posted by msugolf

Well then let?s just cancel football and try to be elite at mens and womens golf, tennis, soccer too. Lets tell the Sec we arent interested in football and we want to be the Gonzaga of the southeast, except in a sport that doesnt make money and where 10 percent of people care about.

Heres the kicker, if we dont put an effort into football going forward then we will get left out when there is the next conference restructuring. And then youre precious baseball program will be left with a schedule full of Tulane, Troy, MdTN, and USM on those spring weekends. Good luck selling that?with no TV contract as well.

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I agree not all sports are equal. Football is #1 and it's not close. But we don't have the option of being elite in Football no matter what we do.

Id rather go 7-5 in football and be elite in some other sport (baseball) vs going 8-4 but being mediocre/sub par in all others. Because football has so many resources being dumped into it by other schools to get 1 more win takes a level of commitment that could have been used to make baseball elite. That's the scale of the coaching salaries and NIL difference. Id rather win a natty In something else vs watching 1 more win on a mediocre football team.

It's all personal preferences. Ultimately we don't make the decisions either way

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

I agree not all sports are equal. Football is #1 and it's not close. But we don't have the option of being elite in Football no matter what we do.

Id rather go 7-5 in football and be elite in some other sport (baseball) vs going 8-4 but being mediocre/sub par in all others. Because football has so many resources being dumped into it by other schools to get 1 more win takes a level of commitment that could have been used to make baseball elite. That's the scale of the coaching salaries and NIL difference. Id rather win a natty In something else vs watching 1 more win on a mediocre football team.

It's all personal preferences. Ultimately we don't make the decisions either way

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Where is the formula you used to show we would only improve 1 win based on a certain dollar amount increase?

And going 9-3 or 8-4 in football in this current conference is more valuable to the university than any baseball championship.

I havent even watched SEC media days. First time since its beginning I've missed it

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Originally Posted by msugolf

Where is the formula you used to show we would only improve 1 win based on a certain dollar amount increase?

And going 9-3 or 8-4 in football in this current conference is more valuable to the university than any baseball championship.

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No formula, I'm just looking at how much investment is going to these programs. Like baseball coaching staffs make 1/5th what the football staff does, the NIL seems to be similar. There are individual football players who are likely making more NIL than our baseball team combined.

Say UGA out spends us on football at a 2:1 rate. We could cancel our baseball program, put all that money into football, and they'd still outspend us 2:1.3 or whatever. We might leap Arkansas and get 1 more win a year, but we would not be nationally relevant

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

Yes. We should ban the LFL and suck in baseball and dedicate those resources to football so they can go from averaging 7-5 season to averaging 8-4.

Id rather be elite in something and suck at other sports than mediocre in everything

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The problem is that we don’t have to be an 8-4 football team. We can be better. They are doing it right up the road. The problem is we have a loser fanbase that would rather be good in something that no one else gives a sh*t about than actually put forth the effort to do what our rival is doing in a sport that matters. Loser mentality.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

No formula, I'm just looking at how much investment is going to these programs. Like baseball coaching staffs make 1/5th what the football staff does, the NIL seems to be similar. There are individual football players who are likely making more NIL than our baseball team combined.

Say UGA out spends us on football at a 2:1 rate. We could cancel our baseball program, put all that money into football, and they'd still outspend us 2:1.3 or whatever. We might leap Arkansas and get 1 more win a year, but we would not be nationally relevant

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If Missouri and Ole Miss can get to where they are in football, so can we. This is all just a bunch of bullsh*t excuses. There are 13 baseball threads on the front page of this board 5 weeks before football season. That is the BS mindset of our fanbase. No other fanbase in this conference thinks this way. We pride ourselves on being slightly above average in a sport that no one else gives a sh*t about. Meanwhile our rival with a very similar athletic budget is gearing up to go to the playoffs after making 2 NY 6 bowls in the past 3 years.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I havent even watched SEC media days. First time since its beginning I've missed it

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Me either. I'm not apathetic per sey, but have zero expections.

As far as CFB, maybe an 8. I'm always into it. As far as SEC, also an 8. I'm going to enjoy watching OU turn into Arky over the next few years while Texas turns into TAMUtwo. Always hyped, then October sets in, and they wonder why just having an offense doesn't make the cut in the SEC.

As far as we go, somewhere around 3-4. I'm interested, just not excited. With. That. Said.... we tend to overachiever when nobody thinks we're gonna do anything. So, I have that in the bak of my mind. If that plays out, I'll be plenty excited when I see it coming. Similarly, when UMiss has high expectations, they tend to crash and burn relative to said expectations. So, I'm looking forward to that. I'm talking about media and others by the way. The Rebs themselves seem perplexed they're not considered to be a contender in August every year.

All of this lack of excitement will go away if we made the right hire. Even the Mississippi people who don't like NIL are excited.
Get it right at the top and things will fall into place.

And I think we did. There will be a learning curve, but I think we got it right.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

If Missouri and Ole Miss can get to where they are in football, so can we. This is all just a bunch of bullsh*t excuses. There are 13 baseball threads on the front page of this board 5 weeks before football season. That is the BS mindset of our fanbase. No other fanbase in this conference thinks this way. We pride ourselves on being slightly above average in a sport that no one else gives a sh*t about. Meanwhile our rival with a very similar athletic budget is gearing up to go to the playoffs after making 2 NY 6 bowls in the past 3 years.

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OM spends way more than we do. In a world where every player and coach is a free agent from one year to the next, $$$ is king.

Now to be clear, if we somehow had way more money (say a rich booster decided to get involved, or Briles has a great year and the fanbase money rolls in) then my current view would need to be reevaluated. All I'm saying is that with our CURRENT money, we won't compete.

Mizzou is an outlier of success. Made a good hire who has slowly built them up the right way and gained fanbase support... but even then, they just had a donor give the athletic department $62m (12m for NIL). Their athletic budget is also well above ours at $142m... again, money matters

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Originally Posted by Jarius

The problem is that we don’t have to be an 8-4 football team. We can be better. They are doing it right up the road. The problem is we have a loser fanbase that would rather be good in something that no one else gives a sh*t about than actually put forth the effort to do what our rival is doing in a sport that matters. Loser mentality.

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Ole miss has an athletic budget 30m more then us and appears to spend more on overall NIL. They concentrate that NIL on football, thus losing 2 really good baseball players to TN and guaranteeing they suck next year.

I could live with destroying baseball in order to preserve a 10+ win team like OM did. But we don't have that choice, we'd be destroying baseball to improve a 7-5 team to 8-4.

Now, if you want to say State fans need to but up and donate more, ok. I'm just talking about allocation of our current funds

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

Ole miss has an athletic budget 30m more then us and appears to spend more on overall NIL. They concentrate that NIL on football, thus losing 2 really good baseball players to TN and guaranteeing they suck next year.

I could live with destroying baseball in order to preserve a 10+ win team like OM did. But we don't have that choice, we'd be destroying baseball to improve a 7-5 team to 8-4.

Now, if you want to say State fans need to but up and donate more, ok. I'm just talking about allocation of our current funds

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Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. If we had a fanbase that gave what they could realistically give we would be in Ole Miss’ position in a year or 2, provided we made the right hire. They have a higher budget because they care more, not because they have more money to give. Killing baseball for their current run is exactly the right move. The problem is our fans would largely rather be good in baseball.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

OM spends way more than we do. In a world where every player and coach is a free agent from one year to the next, $$$ is king.

Now to be clear, if we somehow had way more money (say a rich booster decided to get involved, or Briles has a great year and the fanbase money rolls in) then my current view would need to be reevaluated. All I'm saying is that with our CURRENT money, we won't compete.

Mizzou is an outlier of success. Made a good hire who has slowly built them up the right way and gained fanbase support... but even then, they just had a donor give the athletic department $62m (12m for NIL). Their athletic budget is also well above ours at $142m... again, money matters

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Briles??????

Probably a banning offense to post this, but here I go. I couldn't find the 2023 results, but in 2022, the top revenue producing sports in college sports were #1 Football (far & away), #2 Men's Basketball, #3 Hockey & #4 Baseball. I bet most college sports fans can't tell you who won the last couple or most recent baseball championship as most here or anywhere can't tell you who won the last college hockey championship. Without competing in football, win or lose in the SEC, we will drop to USM level or worse in the changing college sorts landscape. BTW, only football & MBB finish in the black at the vast majority of schools and FB pays the bills for most all the other sports.

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Probably a banning offense to post this, but here I go. I couldn't find the 2023 results, but in 2022, the top revenue producing sports in college sports were #1 Football (far & away), #2 Men's Basketball, #3 Hockey & #4 Baseball. I bet most college sports fans can't tell you who won the last couple or most recent baseball championship as most here or anywhere can't tell you who won the last college hockey championship. Without competing in football, win or lose in the SEC, we will drop to USM level or worse in the changing college sorts landscape. BTW, only football & MBB finish in the black at the vast majority of schools and FB pays the bills for most all the other sports.

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And being really good in football helps the budget for the Olympic sports. If football is good it is good for everyone else, which is why you should go all in on that.

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Briles??????

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Oh Jesus what a brain slip. Like 2 days ago I was explaining the situation to my wife and so the 2 names were close in my head, then I went full retard and mixed them up

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. If we had a fanbase that gave what they could realistically give we would be in Ole Miss’ position in a year or 2, provided we made the right hire. They have a higher budget because they care more, not because they have more money to give. Killing baseball for their current run is exactly the right move. The problem is our fans would largely rather be good in baseball.

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Ok I think we have it hammered out. You're saying our fanbase sucks because it would rather not donate $$$, but focus on small sports and conceded football. You wish we would donate more, AND cut funding for small sports so we can be competitive in football.

I on the other hand am saying that with current donation levels, we cannot compete in football regardless so we might as well focus on a sport we can. But if the fanbase did donate more, I'd be willing to prioritize football.

We both agree we do not have current funding levels for a proper competitive football team and to do so would require more NIL donations

I am in the very small minority where I wish we put more focus on basketball. It is going to be nearly impossible to compete with how NIL and the portal are combined with the limited amount of donations we get. Basketball is an area though we can put a lot of that focus and still be nationally relevant and be in a position to make noise in March madness. While it might not be as big as football it gets 100 times more national attention than baseball. We ruined our ability to surpass Ole Miss when they were on probation and we didn’t hire Kyle Whittingham when he was interested in our job. Had we just done that our program would be in an entirely different state right now and we would be up there with ole Miss competing at the top of the SEC instead of being near Vandy level now. People didn’t do their easy homework in just researching what a fraud Moorhead was and that has still impacted us to this day

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Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG

I am in the very small minority where I wish we put more focus on basketball. It is going to be nearly impossible to compete with how NIL and the portal are combined with the limited amount of donations we get. Basketball is an area though we can put a lot of that focus and still be nationally relevant and be in a position to make noise in March madness. While it might not be as big as football it gets 100 times more national attention than baseball. We ruined our ability to surpass Ole Miss when they were on probation and we didn’t hire Kyle Whittingham when he was interested in our job. Had we just done that our program would be in an entirely different state right now and we would be up there with ole Miss competing at the top of the SEC instead of being near Vandy level now. People didn’t do their easy homework in just researching what a fraud Moorhead was and that has still impacted us to this day

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You might be in the minority here but not overall. There is a lot of movement and progress with our basketball NIL right now and a lot of influential people are leading the way. It is ahead of baseball

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Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG

I am in the very small minority where I wish we put more focus on basketball. It is going to be nearly impossible to compete with how NIL and the portal are combined with the limited amount of donations we get. Basketball is an area though we can put a lot of that focus and still be nationally relevant and be in a position to make noise in March madness. While it might not be as big as football it gets 100 times more national attention than baseball. We ruined our ability to surpass Ole Miss when they were on probation and we didn’t hire Kyle Whittingham when he was interested in our job. Had we just done that our program would be in an entirely different state right now and we would be up there with ole Miss competing at the top of the SEC instead of being near Vandy level now. People didn’t do their easy homework in just researching what a fraud Moorhead was and that has still impacted us to this day

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Investing in men’s basketball is very smart and we have done that very well. We waste a ton of money on women’s basketball and that should change dramatically. We need every ounce of budget we have and losing the type of money we do on women’s basketball costs us in football and men’s basketball. If we cut the amount of losses in revenue in half for women’s basketball over the past decade we would have been able to fund about a big chunk of the south end zone enclosure that needs to happen without asking a donor for a dime.