yep. Jumping the shark now.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
These guys are comparing Raquel Welch to Anna Faris
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yep. Jumping the shark now.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
These guys are comparing Raquel Welch to Anna Faris
Nah. Context matters he has already won a natty and MSU is an elite baseball program historically. He would need to do this at a southern miss type to get in COY discussionQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
disagree. Each season is based on its own. You want the other factors in because you dont want to acknowledge that he has really done a damn good job this yearQuote:
Originally Posted by DEDawg
UPig was supposed to be Top 5. Van Horn hasnt done shit. He is matching expectations
Lemon has exceeded expectations- thats undeniable
State has had 5 losing seasons in the last 15 years. Your opinion of our program doesnt match reality- is that really "Elite"????? (I'll go ahead and inform you- noooooooo its not)
Elite programs dont have a losing record 33% of the time. Stop being morons
8 win season. I was at that liberty bowl. Croom was bad in a lot of ways for sure, but a lot of his recruits was the core of one of DMs best teams in 2010Quote:
Originally Posted by Santiago
Uh Lemon has 2 of the 5 after taking over a program that was on one of the best runs in the country. That is not the slam dunk you think it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I am so glad we are winning and are playing better, but it?s my opinion the talent bails the coaching out and probably has since he has been here. To be fair, I said I would shut up if we hosted. We have a chance to shut me up
I don't really understand this. Because the entire issue the past two years was mostly the pitching. Lemonis fixed that and here we are. Unless Parker has a similar fall off of a cliff I don't know why our fans expect things to go back? Why? Our hitting hasn't really changed that much between 2019 to 2024.Quote:
Originally Posted by StateDawg44
And as far as recruits and talent- we have three players (not recruits players currently on the team) listed as top 150 draft prospects for this current draft by MLB.com. (Dakota, Hines, and Loo) That's just the draft eligible players. That doesn't include Nolan Stevens, Dylan Cupp, Ethan Pulliam, and etc. It also doesn't include Khal Stephen who has turned into a monster pick up or Mershon both of whom are draft eligible as well. Or Hujsack. So really the only "gaps" we have are Sunday starter, catcher, and third base- ALL of those position groups were greatly affected by injuries this year. Pico is coming back and had he been healthy or Dohm stayed healthy they would have filled the Sunday role. Highfill was supposed to be the catcher and we had to replace him with a guy trying to be an EMT and a guy we brought in for depth in Long who was always supposed to be the back up. Kohler got hurt the first weekend but has been strong defensively. Chance is a solid player and he is only a sophomore but teams need 1-2 guys like that. Amani is streaky and can't hit LHP and he might not be playing if Cupp didn't get hurt. We also lost our best freshman pitching prospect- Makhai Grant to Tommy John as well and he would have absolutely contributed this year.
Watching Ole Miss last night- I was a little surprised by the gap in talent between MSU and Ole Miss. Big difference in our favor. I also happened to sit by some scouts and I noticed that they were paying way more attention to our guys than Ole Miss's.
We have been good in the portal IMO. No we haven't gotten Braden Montgomery- but we meet our needs. I have no reason to suspect that we won't meet our needs this offseason either. Hujsack, Stephen, Dohm, Long, Powell, Larry, Tyler Davis, Kohler- that's pretty solid. And that doesn't include guys like Colton Ledbetter, RJ Yeager, Aaron Nixon, Scotty Dubrule, and etc. We've been way more successful in the portal than not.
We're going to be top five-six in the SEC this year more than likely. The gap between the top and us isn't very big in this league. The teams at the top have the most veteran and highest end talent on the mound- that would be Arkansas and Texas A&M this year. Last year it was LSU. No pitcher in their right mind was coming here with Foxhall around unless you are Jonathan Papelbon, Jr. By 2026 when our rotation is Stevens, Grant, and Dotson- that could very well be us at the top.
It's kind of tricky. Because you have recruits and you know they need time to develop. But you also have to have experienced guys to win. If it's not handled correctly teams- not just MSU- run the risk of running off say Hunter Renfroe. That sort of happened to us with Shane Lewis who ended up at Troy and hit 20+ home runs there and would have been much better than Alford last year. I also will say if we had landed Montgomery there is no way Chance would be starting in the OF right now so that sounds like some politcizing to a degree by Lemons. Why would a coach come out and publicly say that they were recruiting over a player? And it's not like Chance has been THAT bad anyway. He has hit better than Kohler, the two catchers, and Larry. If nothing else he at least makes contact usually and makes them field something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Uh, He only has one losing season, 2022. Last year we finished with a winning record.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
I love Mississippi State Baseball.
I love winning baseball games.
Lemonis Still Sux. He just sux less this year.
Next year. Boy oh boy! He will have to prove it all over again. And your comparison to the so called elite SEC programs. When did Vandy and South Carolina and for that matter Florida become elite? When they hired their most successful head coaches ever that rarely had down years and seem to never have losing seasons. Hmmmm. Elite programs? No Elite Coaches? Yes. When did Arkansas become elite and the top attendance program in the SEC per game average? DVH. Elite Coach!
State is an Elite baseball coach away from being an Elite Program!
Wait until Mershon decides he wants to transfer to South Carolina to play with his brother in front of family and friends. No more Hines, Jordan, Hujsak, and those All-American hitters Larry & Kohler. I'm sure State loses a lot of pitching too.
DVH definitely elite. He took Nebraska to the CWS twice before taking the Arkansas job.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
Please argue with facts. Lemon has only had 1 losing seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
NM - read something wrong
Historically elite program with 0 natties (in a sport it should be easiest to win one) until 2021? Historically good program with outstanding support.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEDawg
This is dead onQuote:
Originally Posted by viverlibre
I agree with everything except about it being the easisest sport to win one.Quote:
Originally Posted by viverlibre
I have no dog in the hunt(I want Lemonis to suceed, but also understand if he doesn't perform he's got to go), but he went 9-21 back to back in the SEC. No other State baseball coach has done that back to back, except Cohen in his first two years when he went 9-21 and 6-24, but he was rebuilding from the pile of crap Polk II had left the program in, and not an established coach like Lemonis. So, these last two seasons, in my opinion, was a fireable offense(not that I wanted that but it was justifable) for an established Mississippi State baseball coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
The SEC is an elite conference. MSU is one of if not the biggest reason why it is an elite conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
It's funny to me how posters have shifted from:
"We all know this is Lemonis's last season I don't know why we didn't fire him".
To "We look better but I want to see how we do in SEC play. If we go 0-9 we'll be looking for a new coach".
Once that didn't happen now it's "Well we'll see how he does next year. We lose everything".
Look if Lemonis is bad next year then he's probably going to be fired. Even C34 has said as much. Let's just enjoy this season for what it is, a good to very good season, and worry about next year after the last out is made on this season. Just like every year, there will be plenty of kids go into the portal and say what you want, but Lemonis has had a lot more hits out of the portal than misses.
Dubrule- hit
Simmons-Incomplete due to injury
Yeager-hit
Larry-hit, despite what some think. He is a two year starter for us. That's a hit
Jess Davis- miss
Nixon- I would say hit. Just wasn't healthy.
Ledbetter- hit
Hujsak-hit
Tyler Davis-hit
Dohm-hit
Hoyle-still confusing as to why we took him. Always told it was a favor to Mangum. Miss
Gartman-not a hit, but not a miss
Stephen-hit
Long-hit
Ligon-I thought miss early on, but now I'm thinking he could be valuable for us
Powell-hit
Kohler- not a hit, but not a miss
I didn't add JUCO guys like Schuelke because the list would've gotten too long. That hit rate is much lower though
huh? do you know who you're talking to? I'm a huge Lemonis fan. Dude brought us a championship 3 years ago. but youre still wrong, you aren't going to get COY at state being a top 15 ranking with 16 sec wins at the end of the year coming off a losing season. get out of your little bubble of just MSU, it's a national award. Now if he gets us to 18 wins and top 3 in the SEC, yes absolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
It's far more plausible than you'd like to admit. Lemonis was 9-21 last year in conference. Really only brought in 3-4 impact players and is going to win 15+ games. That's a hell of a turnaround in what is the toughest conference in college baseball. Look, I'm no Lemonis fan, but he has managed this team very well more times than not this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEDawg
I completely 100% agree he has done a hell of a job this year. I also don't think that wins you COY at State. Like I said, doing that at Southern or somewhere else in the middle of nowhere, yes. He has won a NC and as much as fans don't want to believe it the national perception of MSU baseball is an elite program. Both those things make it harder to win COY because outside perception is 14-15 SEC wins is just the norm for us (even if it isn't). Again, get to 18 and top 3 in the SEC and that all changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I'm not a lemon hater. But, this is like raising gas prices from $2/gal to $4/gal and the lowering it to $3.50/gal and saying, "yay, I lowered gas by $.50"Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I didnt predict us last in the West- but that was the preseason expectation. Even our own fans on here said we would suck. As all of you well know- I said we were going to be good this season. We are right where I expected for the most part. I'll find the thread- but I called 17 wins and a host spot for the season. We'll see in a few weeksQuote:
Originally Posted by NWADAWG
Boy did you hit the nail on the head! Moving goal posts all year!Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
The devil you say? I always heard on hear he was a failure in the portal, lol!Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Have some rep!
Sorry commerce and 34 I forgot the one game above 500 and 9-21conference record last year. Whew glad we took that series from VMI at the beginning. We were just a turd taking that from us would have made us diarrhea
I won't be mad.
I've hated on Lemonis for damn near 2 years. I've wanted him fired. But if he turns this around and has us in the tournament and in the hosting discussion, I'll gladly eat crow.
Unlike some, I'll admit when I'm wrong and Mississippi State succeeding is more important than me being right
Nobody thinks last year was good but at least get the facts right. It was a bad year but we did have a winning record. Also i'm glad you're watching again since you told me you hadn't watched us play after the om series.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
And here, he says the quiet part out loud. Here is the entire explanation for why this thread even exists. To this guy, this is all about him. As is everything. Through the years, everyone has said it before" "coach, you care more about being right than MSU athletics". And it's true. So, when he's wrong (which he is a lot, but NEVER admits it), he's big mad. He thinks everyone thinks like him. He can't fathom that there are people out there who didn't think (or still don't think) Lemonis as coach is what's best for MSU long term, yet are PRAYING that they are wrong and he actually is. 99% of us want MSU to win every game we ever play, in every sport, whether that makes us "right" or "wrong". 1% of us care about being right (or at least moving the goal posts or rephrasing the argument such that we appear to have been right).Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
As a whole, I appreciate coach34 and I like him most of the time. I understand that he brings some good experience, knowledge, and even insider information to most discussions. But this part? I can't stand it. I know you couldn't care less, and I'm just screaming at the sky. But, man, I really wish you could check this. But I know it's hard to change how we're wired. Carry on.
Since he has not let us all update him. We swept Auburn in walk off fashion, took two of three from Vandy capitalized by a Hines, that is Hunter Hines, HR in the top of the 9th of Game 3, and just beat OM in the Governors Cup. I know it is killing him to not be at The Dude this weekend, but hey that Washington Spring Game is tonight and that may be bigger than any event the entire state has ever seen, much less little ole Starkville.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Washington spring game. LmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
too funny
He may or may not be the guy for us long term- but the fact remains as Todd pointed out most of you said we would suck this season, then we would be awful in the SEC, and now its we gonna suck next year. So what makes you right about him being the guy long term? It amazes me the perceptions our fans have of State baseball and really college baseball in general. LSU struggling after winning it should show everyone just how tough it is to maintain in college baseball today.
We still have idiots arguing that MSU is closer to first than 5th in the SEC. They have those coke bottle sized maroon glasses and that revisionist history at their disposal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Lemonis has done better this year on the simple decisions no doubt.
He turned over all pitch change decisions to Parker. Simple decision
After the brain fart or starting Cupp early season, as soon as Mershon was healthy, he made the change. Good decision.
Took him 35 games to get Larry out of the leadoff spot. Very Slow decision but finally got it.
Understanding that Chance was an asset, not a liability. Like C34, it took Lemonis a minute to figure it out. Been an everyday player as he should be and now in leadoff spot. Slow decision but made it.
Not having an option at 3rd and because of solid defense, having to play a .190 hitter there. Poor recruiting or development decisions.
Making Gotro stand halfway down the dugout rail away from him. Good decision.
Letting Cheese sit on the ball bucket while he stands at edge of steps. Good decision.
Getting Jort-fro Jean out of the camera well. Outstanding decision!
First game I watched after we blew it game 2 vs OM and then got run ruled by them was Vandy game 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I was at the governors cup.
Walk back to the dugout on this one
lol- just saw thisQuote:
Originally Posted by DEDawg
I was talking SEC COY. Shit he doesnt deserve a vote for national COY.....yet
Makes more sense then. I could get behind that even tho I still think they give it to SchlossQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
In a morbid baseball way I was actually impressed we had a winning season with an ERA over 7. I don't think I've ever seen that before in my life. And actually in a way that's kind of what gave me optimism about our team because I knew that the team didn't quit on Lemonis- see LSU series last year- and we obviously hit well enough to overcome our pitching staff enough to win 27 games I think it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
oh Schloss and Clown (altho he is starting to fade) would be ahead of him right now. But Lemon can finish off Bammer plus has a shot at UPig next week. Thats the fun. We get to watch it play outQuote:
Originally Posted by DEDawg
It's not about their perception of MSU's program. It's about them being "right". At some point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Lemonis has taken so much crap deserved and undeserved I think he probably just leaves at some point. Unless he partied harder than I did after we won a NC he probably will have enough money in a year or two to go coach at The Citadel if he wants to and be happy.