I don’t think that many folks understand that it’s a “coaching staff” and how that actually works. Not many of the decisions are made in a silo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
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I don’t think that many folks understand that it’s a “coaching staff” and how that actually works. Not many of the decisions are made in a silo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
That has been used as an excuse for Lemonis for too long. He is either responsible for the decisions the staff makes, or he is not and should be fired for being meaningless.
Still on Lemonis. He makes the final decision. That's why you'd better have pretty good assistants.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Yeah, I think most do. It all falls back on the head guy though, and HE is the one held ultimately responsible, so he'd better have some good assistants. However, HE has to sometimes have the balls to tell an assistant I'm running the show and this is or isn't happening because my ass is on the line. Yeah, we know how coaching decisions work there big guy. Damn, some of y'all on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
aGAIN- ultimately yesQuote:
Originally Posted by msudawg1200
And his fate on those decisions will be decided this Spring
This is how you say I don’t really understand but by god I’m going to stand by point of ignorance until the bitter end. In week one, game two and the pitching coach says let’s see if this guy can get out of it I’m also going to say ok. We found out something about the guy, and now we know better. This is why these games are played.Quote:
Originally Posted by msudawg1200
Exactly. Big difference with this decision being made in game two versus say game 40.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
He was still very inconsistent throwing strikes this preseasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
You nailed it by saying throwing, that’s all he’s doing, no pitching to be seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by preachermatt83
Yes, that's exactly it. I don't know that a pitching coach works with the pitchers and HELPS make pitching decisions. It's still about wins and losses and when your ass in on the line like Lemonis it's not time to "see" if this guy could do this or that in a certain situation. You'd better get the damn win. I'm glad you're not a coach because you wouldn't be worth a shit at it. Damn, that diatribe you just spewed was dumb as hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
Game two counts the same as game 40. You'd better win the ones you can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
You know exactly dick about anything you’re talking about per usual on this board. To some on here who have played and coached the game at any level passed coach pitch every word you type is more and more proof of baseball ignorance. But hey it’s a free country you continuing to prove your ignorance is your prerogative.Quote:
Originally Posted by msudawg1200
I was not saying fire him now. I was saying it is only a matter of timeQuote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Jokes on you. I played through JUCO and was a high school coach for 12 years where I coached on 4 district champion teams, and 6 that made the playoffs mostly when only two teams went. Also, finished first or second 8 of 12 years when the regions were 7 teams plus. You don't leave a player in to lose a game to see if he can do it. I know practice isn't the same, but you'd better have that figured out by then. I understand all about pitching rotations and pitching setup. Yeah, you let players have a chance to either prove themselves or not in certain situations, but you'd if it's a one run game, and you have another option that's not the time to "see" if this guy can do it. You'd better get him out and get a win as long as you have a better option. If not you, of course, roll with what you have, and it is what it is. No, you come on here talking down and insulting others because they don't have the same opinion that you and your hero does, so you resort to degrading people and name calling claiming they don't know squat and you do. That is what insecure people do. There are different opinions on how to handle situations. C34 said it was Parker's decision and his fault not Lemonis. All I stated was it was Lemonis' fault because he ultimately makes the final decision and it's on him. You then come in to defend your hero by pretty much saying that we are all dumbarses on here except you and your said hero. I really don't know why I'm wasting time typing this bs responding to you. Have a great day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
I'm starting to believe we've got fans who are invested in sports over simply wanting to fire coaches.
Whatever, I’m glad my kid never played for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by msudawg1200
Typical response by you. I'm done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
But again who do you put in that you trust? We're still finding those things out. That's just the reality of the situation. Auger technically did his job and got squeezed. Hindsight says you start with him or Schuelke. Or maybe we go with Gavin Black but at that point he had never pitched in a game. Later in the year it might be Dohm. Or Simmons. It sucks but we're a work in progress at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
I can't disagree but we know what Holcomb's weakness is, throwing strikes. I will say our pitching Coach is learning what roles his staff will be moving forward. I think we upgraded our pitching Coach. Holcomb looked anxious with lack of confidence with the walk to start the 9th. It's easy to second guess and say he should have been pulled after the walk. I'm betting our PC learned a lot from that game. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
This, 100%. And most coaches do this early on when you're trying to figure out the pieces. Game situations a whole lot different than practice or scrimmage. Better to find out early than in conference play. Now if we keep running out the same people this year who fail early in critical situations that's a different story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I invest in State sports to win. Lemonis hasnt done that in a long time. With better toys than 98 percent of college baseball to play withQuote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
We dont have anything the Top 50 baseball programs dont have- if not more. It's not 1988 anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
We just have a better stadium
YepQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
100% accurate. The arms race has been on for awhile now especially in the sec. Competition in college baseball is at a higher level than it's ever been.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Heck even wake forest has one of the finest pitching labs in the country. To many of our fans don't understand what's going in college baseball around the country.
So many fans just dont understand baseball. It's frustrating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Fresno State, Coastal Carolina, Oregon State- have titles and recently. Coastal is ranked again and good. This aint football or basketball. It's a different sport.
I'm not sure how sustainable Wake Forest is over the long term. It's only a matter of time before Muscara gets a HC job and then they'll have to find someone equally as good to replace him. And when he leaves he'll probably take most of their pitching analytics people with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Really it's just the SEC now. So you're really talking about maybe 20 programs that have a realistic shot at a NC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Look at the CWS finalists since 2010 and compare to any other decade and you'll see what I'm talking about. Elite players want to play in the SEC and the California kids are coming to the SEC because they want to play in front of people.
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Oh I agree I was just making the point that there's a whole lot of programs out there with the same stuff we have, but we do have the BEST stadium!Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
You got that right! We have so many on here that treat baseball like football or basketball and it ain't! Baseball is a chess match and the most talented teams don't always win. It's not a sprint it's a marathon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
And we all know that NIL has significantly lessened the importance of facilities when recruiting players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Yep. Nothings the same as was 5 years ago with nil now.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
Best fans who support baseball at MSU. Been this was for decades, never underestimate what we have, top 3 in the country with LSU and Arkansas you can add Ole Dixie also. Ain’t no one close to the ones I mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
I also think Msufans are pretty knowledgeable about baseball. Makes me sick to have finished last and next to last. Shouldn’t have happened after winning a Natty if anything we should have benefited, we did not. Ain’t the fans fault either.
The stadium, our fans and the atmosphere, there's nothing else like it in college baseball.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
NIL and the portal has changed thing for the worse, unfortunately
THIS all day. NIL is changing baseball also. They may not have the 5K fans watching them play- but if a school will pay? They will go there.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
Stadium, facilities, everything is all secondary to how much they can get paid. 95% could care less how many people are in the stands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
yep- and our fans at State need to understand that. That big stadium doesnt matter to 2/3 of recruits nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
We have NIL money, we aren’t poor like some think. I have a good friend in the know and he has assured me about where we stand on NIL.
Baseball players are way different compared to football and basketball players. No reason we aren’t consistory in regionals and hosting.
I agree we're not poor and I know about where we are at as well. While baseball players are different 95% are still going where the money is, it's why they're so many transfers, the money. Lsu bought a nc last year by buying skenes and Tommy white among others, nil is a huge deal more so than anything. Go hang out at some of the big summer tournaments and that's just about all these kids are talking about is how much nil they're getting offered. Things have changed big time even in baseball. I 100% agree that we should be in regionals pretty much every year and hosting at least every couple. We have work to do on the field and let's hope this season is better than the last 2! You're a good Dawg Base and I always appreciate your opinion!Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
exactly. Fans need to understand-Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Money has replaced tradition. Tradition is gone.