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11-01-2023, 11:27 AM
basedog

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Jackie absolutely went shopping. Begged for the bama job. They just didn't want him.

He also went after the Pitt job after year one, had it until the President at Pitt said no.
11-01-2023, 11:38 AM
Goldendawg

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

I will add too. If we do get to 6-6 with a loss to OM, I would get it if State retained him. Because I would assume feelers were put and potential candidates weren't impressive and/or someone doesn't want to spend $3M plus whatever a new coach would take.

With that said, I hope we get to six wins and have a new coach next year. We need a strong front man. Also, I think Bubb is right. CZA looked like a man that already knows his future, last Saturday and this week.

He lloks like "Kaw-liga the Wooden Indian" sang about by the late Hank Williams as he stands on the sidelines. My late SuperDog Dad loved Hank.
11-01-2023, 11:39 AM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Jackie absolutely went shopping. Begged for the bama job. They just didn't want him.

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Originally Posted by basedog

He also went after the Pitt job after year one, had it until the President at Pitt said no.

Not to mention the fact that after '95 and '96 we were ready to run him out of town on a rail. I heard Bobby Wallaces's name so much I just figured it was a done deal that he would be the next coach. And then the Bama win happened and all was right with the world again.
11-01-2023, 11:39 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

Yes he was. Jackie made even getting Mullen possible. Mullen basically said so himself. Jackie proved you can win at MSU. Jackie beat everybody, won SECW, and we were the best SECW team for over 4 seasons even though we only won once.

Mullen is second. He did take us to #1.

Both were great for MSU for different reasons and different eras. Both pumped life into a dead program. Both gave us some fire and moxey. Both stuck in the crawl of OM. One difference - Jackie never turned his back on MSU, went job shopping, or thought he was better than MSU - never.

He also led us to croom trying to get out of violations
11-01-2023, 11:41 AM
gtowndawg

This very week 9 years ago we were rated #1 in the country (for the 3rd week in a row). If we didn't have coaches check out at the end of the year (literally) we would have won the Orange Bowl and finished ranked in the top 15.

If Mullen had not left for Florida we would have been a top 10 team in 2018 but we got Moorheaded.

We finished with 9 wins last year and a final top 20 ranking.

If Coach Leach had not passed away we would be 7-1 right now and a potential top 15 ranking.

All of this poor little Miss. State talk is ridiculous and sickening. We have the ability and with the right coach we're going to be good (again).
11-01-2023, 11:48 AM
Goldendawg

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

Yes he was. Jackie made even getting Mullen possible. Mullen basically said so himself. Jackie proved you can win at MSU. Jackie beat everybody, won SECW, and we were the best SECW team for over 4 seasons even though we only won once.

Mullen is second. He did take us to #1.

Both were great for MSU for different reasons and different eras. Both pumped life into a dead program. Both gave us some fire and moxey. Both stuck in the crawl of OM. One difference - Jackie never turned his back on MSU, went job shopping, or thought he was better than MSU - never.

100%. Jackie was also a down to earth person to all fans and students. Have a picture of him holding my then 3 month old (now 22 in MSU grad school) son at a summer Bulldog meeting in Corinth. He shouted at me across the parking lot after the get together that he wanted a ride in my 1979 corvette I had at the time.Sent him a hanging clown puppet once for his collection and he personally wrote me a very nice thank you note. Jackie also did many visits to children's hospitals and other events behind the scenes and never blew his own horn. Hate the way the wheels fell off the last couple of years with a lot of dirt from OM & the NCAA. Jackie was and is all Dawg. Hail Jackie the Kang! He taught me and I believed that we could win from the day he stepped on campus. Still have the program from his first game and my "Mad Dawgs" towel from the student kickoff teams. Hail State!
11-01-2023, 11:56 AM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Not to mention the fact that after '95 and '96 we were ready to run him out of town on a rail. I heard Bobby Wallaces's name so much I just figured it was a done deal that he would be the next coach. And then the Bama win happened and all was right with the world again.

Yeah, Bobby Wallace was mentioned so much I thought so too. We dodged a bullet with that...he wasn't very good at Temple to say the least
11-01-2023, 11:59 AM
Goldendawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

He also led us to croom trying to get out of violations

To my knowledge, we never had a shootout on campus involving players under Jackie. Croom was a fraud in many ways.
11-01-2023, 12:00 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by gtowndawg

This very week 9 years ago we were rated #1 in the country (for the 3rd week in a row). If we didn't have coaches check out at the end of the year (literally) we would have won the Orange Bowl and finished ranked in the top 15.

If Mullen had not left for Florida we would have been a top 10 team in 2018 but we got Moorheaded.

We finished with 9 wins last year and a final top 20 ranking.

If Coach Leach had not passed away we would be 7-1 right now and a potential top 15 ranking.

All of this poor little Miss. State talk is ridiculous and sickening. We have the ability and with the right coach we're going to be good (again).

7-1?? 7-1??? Right. I'll have what you're having
11-01-2023, 12:03 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

7-1?? 7-1??? Right. I'll have what you're having

I mean as long as we're making up hypothetical shit, we would be undefeated and contending for a national title!!
11-01-2023, 12:07 PM
defiantdog

Arnett just needs maturing in his position as HC. He's trying to run the system like he's a 20 year vet with highly skilled assistants. That's not the case. He needs to progress to being more of a players coach and put more skilled assistants around him if he wants a chance at excelling.

I don't see us getting a new coach any time soon. But I see us filling some gaps with assistant coaches that have more knowledge on everything college football related.
11-01-2023, 12:46 PM
Goldendawg

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Originally Posted by defiantdog

Arnett just needs maturing in his position as HC. He's trying to run the system like he's a 20 year vet with highly skilled assistants. That's not the case. He needs to progress to being more of a players coach and put more skilled assistants around him if he wants a chance at excelling.

I don't see us getting a new coach any time soon. But I see us filling some gaps with assistant coaches that have more knowledge on everything college football related.

Big $ and the future of the program is at stake. You going to give him time to "mature" when season ticket sales drop and his on the job training is allowed to continue in an half empty ( of course some of our maroon colored glasses wearing fans will say, No, it is half full and all is well as we continue to lose with a bad product on the field), stadium. Check our recruiting at this time to boot. Tell me a single area that we are performing at a high level regarding the football program at the time. ST has looked pretty goods, but we found the weakest legged punter in all of Australia compared to other SEC teams.**
11-01-2023, 12:55 PM
KB21

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Originally Posted by defiantdog

Arnett just needs maturing in his position as HC. He's trying to run the system like he's a 20 year vet with highly skilled assistants. That's not the case. He needs to progress to being more of a players coach and put more skilled assistants around him if he wants a chance at excelling.

I don't see us getting a new coach any time soon. But I see us filling some gaps with assistant coaches that have more knowledge on everything college football related.

LOL at the idea that any assistant coach worth his salt is going to come work for Zach Arnett. All he could come up with last year was Will Friend and Kevin Barbay.
11-01-2023, 01:28 PM
Turfdawg67

Jackie won 7 games his first year, and Mullen won 5... but you could see immediately with both of them, things were on the right track. I don't care if ZA somehow, miraculously wins 6 games this year, this is a train wreck and needs to end before we're way too deep in a hole to get out.
11-01-2023, 02:09 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by defiantdog

Arnett just needs maturing in his position as HC. He's trying to run the system like he's a 20 year vet with highly skilled assistants. That's not the case. He needs to progress to being more of a players coach and put more skilled assistants around him if he wants a chance at excelling.

I don't see us getting a new coach any time soon. But I see us filling some gaps with assistant coaches that have more knowledge on everything college football related.

No worthy asst. coach is going to take a job on a sinking ship. And why do we have to be the training wheels school for coaches? That's insulting to the fans and especially the boosters asked to put out more money for this fiasco. And while we're waiting for Arnett to grow into his big boy pants, Lane is going to walk into every living room in the state and take just about any recruit he wants while we're sitting here playing Romper Room.
11-01-2023, 04:01 PM
Cooterpoot

Dan Mullen, as good a coach as he was, never could recruit and never wanted to recruit. He was a great developer but still, a terrible recruiter. Jackie was under Templeton. I don't need to say more.
Times are changing. Move forward, or get left behind. I still believe KY ends it anyway, but hey, miracles happen. If Will comes back next week, maybe A&M is flat.
11-01-2023, 04:05 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

I mean as long as we're making up hypothetical shit, we would be undefeated and contending for a national title!!

15-0
11-01-2023, 04:05 PM
Mjoelner34

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

No worthy asst. coach is going to take a job on a sinking ship. And why do we have to be the training wheels school for coaches? That's insulting to the fans and especially the boosters asked to put out more money for this fiasco. And while we're waiting for Arnett to grow into his big boy pants, Lane is going to walk into every living room in the state and take just about any recruit he wants while we're sitting here playing Romper Room.

Exactly. Save the science experiments in personal growth and organizational skills for FCS and maybe some certain G5 schools. We need someone who already has a proven track record and is organized. Next year is going to be painful enough as it is. No need to make it worse by prolonging it another year. Burn it down now and start rebuilding in what was already going to be a down year.
11-01-2023, 04:08 PM
Coursesuper

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Originally Posted by Mjoelner34

Exactly. Save the science experiments in personal growth and organizational skills for FCS and maybe some certain G5 schools. We need someone who already has a proven track record and is organized. Next year is going to be painful enough as it is. No need to make it worse by prolonging it another year. Burn it down now and start rebuilding in what was already going to be a down year.

^^ This.
11-01-2023, 04:09 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Dan Mullen, as good a coach as he was, never could recruit and never wanted to recruit. He was a great developer but still, a terrible recruiter. Jackie was under Templeton. I don't need to say more.
Times are changing. Move forward, or get left behind. I still believe KY ends it anyway, but hey, miracles happen. If Will comes back next week, maybe A&M is flat.

Didn't Dan have more nfl guys in 9 years than Jackie had in 13?
Dan wasn't some magical wizard with pixy dust who made horrible players nfl guys. He was a much better recruiter than he got credit for, he just didn't like to do it and was lazy at it. 90% or more of his nfl guys were going to be nfl guys with any competent staff.

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