Wyatt film study

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Fact is, the OL is confused when blocking in a 11 or 12. That's obvious and gets broken down on film every week. That's on coaching. No matter how you slice it. They did a poor job training them for it.



I say that to say this, When Bama is pooring through that OL in 11 or 12, I don't want to hear how bad Rogers is. I want to hear why we are still forcing a square peg in a round hole.

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I'm very afraid this rookie staff is in over its head. As for recruiting, imagine CZA following any other SEC West coach into a home visit (except maybe Pittman, but they are also out recruiting us). That our coaches with MS connections have cleaned up with MS recruits is a sad joke to date. I often posted here that Leach's O bored me to tears with its short quick passing game. I now realize that it masked Will's weaknesses while keeping our mid-pack D off the field. I also didn't realize our recruiting classes the last few years were so weak on D. I should have known when our roster had about 20 5'9" to 6', 165 to 185 lb WR's and most couldn't get separation or disappeared against physical SEC DB's. We are in a mess comparible to the Felker, Croom, JoMo years. Take your pick. This is bad.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

What actually happened is that after some more time passed from Leach's death- Arnett simply decided he wanted his program to be in his image and beliefs. Physical offense that hits for big plays. Some of the offensive assts left because they didnt get the OC job and wanted to be OC. Pete is not the Great Oz behind the curtain pulling levers. That is message board myth

Spurrier Jr got an OC job at Tulsa. 95th in Scoring so far this season
Hollingshead is at WK as OC- so he wasnt going to stay unless he was OC. KB was bragging all over him until his last 2 week performances

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WK played The Ohio State 2 weeks ago, right? Same team that ND struggled to score 14 points.
Totally understandable on Arnett wanting his system, regardless of what he had on his team returning. But is also has Jomo vibes. He could have phased out to the offense he wanted but run a modified air raid this year.

Edit: Also, Arnett still lied by publicly saying he wasn't changing much. And 2 weeks ago was giving SEC Network the BS about time of possession being the reason he changed offenses. That diminishes his word having value over time. He did have someone get in his ear about it all.

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

I'm very afraid this rookie staff is in over its head. As for recruiting, imagine CZA following any other SEC West coach into a home visit (except maybe Pittman, but they are also out recruiting us). That our coaches with MS connections have cleaned up with MS recruits is a sad joke to date. I often posted here that Leach's O bored me to tears with its short quick passing game. I now realize that it masked Will's weaknesses while keeping our mid-pack D off the field. I also didn't realize our recruiting classes the last few years were so weak on D. I should have known when our roster had about 20 5'9" to 6', 165 to 185 lb WR's and most couldn't get separation or disappeared against physical SEC DB's. We are in a mess comparible to the Felker, Croom, JoMo years. Take your pick. This is bad.

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And who was recruiting the defense? Arnett

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Originally Posted by Santiago

WK played The Ohio State 2 weeks ago, right? Same team that ND struggled to score 14 points.
Totally understandable on Arnett wanting his system, regardless of what he had on his team returning. But is also has Jomo vibes. He could have phased out to the offense he wanted but run a modified air raid this year.

Edit: Also, Arnett still lied by publicly saying he wasn't changing much. And 2 weeks ago was giving SEC Network the BS about time of possession being the reason he changed offenses. That diminishes his word having value over time. He did have someone get in his ear about it all.

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And it's why Barbay met with Rogers to get some AR concepts back in. Wide splits noted and shown in the video.

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Originally Posted by KB21

The only thing Brad Peterson should have any involvement in is recruiting. He should not have any input on scheme, play calling, or coach hirings.

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I agree but at the end of the day it's Arnett who makes the final call.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I agree but at the end of the day it's Arnett who makes the final call.

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So it all goes back to Arnett.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

So it all goes back to Arnett.

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Our fan base revolted with JoMo who had two winning seasons, both with wins over OM. What makes you think we will give CZA a pass for two or three years when we look so incompetent, noncompetitive (SEC to date) and are getting killed on recruiting, especially in MS? Would an on the job training AD fire an on the job training FB HC?

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Our fan base revolted with JoMo who had two winning seasons, both with wins over OM. What makes you think we will give CZA a pass for two or three years when we look so incompetent, noncompetitive (SEC to date) and are getting killed on recruiting, especially in MS? Would an on the job training AD fire an on the job training FB HC?

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I think the Auburn, Kentucky, and Egg Bowl are going to be huge for Zach.

Moorhead was allowed to coach the bowl game because of Elijah Moore. If we win the Egg Bowl this year I bet we let him come back even if we go 5-7 or 6-6. Probably will have some staff changes though.

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Our fan base revolted with JoMo who had two winning seasons, both with wins over OM. What makes you think we will give CZA a pass for two or three years when we look so incompetent, noncompetitive (SEC to date) and are getting killed on recruiting, especially in MS? Would an on the job training AD fire an on the job training FB HC?

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There's almost a 0% chance Arnett gets fired this year. The fans didn't get Morehead fired. He lost control of his team and they had turned on him too.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

And it's why Barbay met with Rogers to get some AR concepts back in.

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lol- you realize Barbay has access to all of our game film from the last 3 years correct? He watched a good bit of it to get an idea about the guys he has on O. Plus everything that was on Leach's work computer from a football standpoint was left I'm sure. It's not like everything died with Leach and is only left in the brains of the remaining QB's.

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Our fan base revolted with JoMo who had two winning seasons, both with wins over OM. What makes you think we will give CZA a pass for two or three years when we look so incompetent, noncompetitive (SEC to date) and are getting killed on recruiting, especially in MS? Would an on the job training AD fire an on the job training FB HC?

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We lost by 7 points after being tied thru 3 Q's and scored 30 Saturday.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

There's almost a 0% chance Arnett gets fired this year. The fans didn't get Morehead fired. He lost control of his team and they had turned on him too.

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Then Arnett seriously needs to admit his mistake in changing the offense so drastically and move on from Barbay. He needs to fire Brad's buddy Will and his buddy Mike as well and get someone in that can teach the OL.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

There's almost a 0% chance Arnett gets fired this year. The fans didn't get Morehead fired. He lost control of his team and they had turned on him too.

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Never met a fan who supported JoMo after the KY road loss as he tried to turn Fritz into Tom Brady in the rain. Square pegs into round holes scheme that we seem to be repeating in this season. Time will quickly tell the story again. Supporting college sports is very expensive and people want a entertaining, successful program now. Little patience with the big buck salaries or you will see many more empty seats very quickly. I dread to see the number of bama fans even in pricey BullDog Club sections Saturday night. We all know the East Side staff sections will look like a bama home game as it is.

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Our fan base revolted with JoMo who had two winning seasons, both with wins over OM. What makes you think we will give CZA a pass for two or three years when we look so incompetent, noncompetitive (SEC to date) and are getting killed on recruiting, especially in MS? Would an on the job training AD fire an on the job training FB HC?

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We shouldn't.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

lol- you realize Barbay has access to all of our game film from the last 3 years correct? He watched a good bit of it to get an idea about the guys he has on O. Plus everything that was on Leach's work computer from a football standpoint was left I'm sure. It's not like everything died with Leach and is only left in the brains of the remaining QB's.

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Sir, based on personnel, he was not running anything remotely. It does not change the fact that he went to the QB to have that talk.

The proof is in the pudding. That OL is lost in 11 and 12 personnel. That is on Barbay. there is no way around that.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

We lost by 7 points after being tied thru 3 Q's and scored 30 Saturday.

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Defense was far from competitive or we win. D has been non-competitive in both SEC losses. You yourself have posted many times it's not about stats. it's about wins. Maybe we build on O
from SC game, turn things around on O and D improves also. Hail State!

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Originally Posted by Coach34

We lost by 7 points after being tied thru 3 Q's and scored 30 Saturday.

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But it was not from RTGDF.
It was due to going back to some air raid comfort level plays from last year.
I really don't care if we pass 100% or run 100%, but Arnett has lost some value in his words publicly.

Paul Johnson is credited with this quote: "If you are going to run something, you better know how to fix it when it breaks."

I think we are looking at that situation at Mississippi State. Everyone got excited with all the talk about "we are going to find our best 11 players and build a scheme around them", and in reality, no coach goes into a situation like this and builds a scheme from scratch. You have to have a system, and the coach has to know that system inside an out. He needs to know how to solve the problems that will turn up against that particular scheme.

With Zach Arnett, he's been running the Rocky Long 3-3-5 scheme long enough that he should know what the solutions to the problems are. Matt Brock has only been in this scheme for three years and has never run it. At some point, Zach is probably going to have to interject a little more than he wants to if this defense is to improve.

Offensively, we are looking at a different story. Kevin Barbay came up in Jim McElwain's scheme and a few other schemes that are nothing like what he is currently trying to run at Mississippi State. He spent one year at App State and realized "Hey, this is a pretty good scheme". Now, he's trying to run that scheme at Mississippi State. He's not versed in it enough to know all the solutions to the problems. He may get there at some point, but he's clearly not there yet. He doesn't seem to know how to connect everything together in this scheme yet.

The guru has spoken....

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Originally Posted by KB21

Paul Johnson is credited with this quote: "If you are going to run something, you better know how to fix it when it breaks."

I think we are looking at that situation at Mississippi State. Everyone got excited with all the talk about "we are going to find our best 11 players and build a scheme around them", and in reality, no coach goes into a situation like this and builds a scheme from scratch. You have to have a system, and the coach has to know that system inside an out. He needs to know how to solve the problems that will turn up against that particular scheme.

With Zach Arnett, he's been running the Rocky Long 3-3-5 scheme long enough that he should know what the solutions to the problems are. Matt Brock has only been in this scheme for three years and has never run it. At some point, Zach is probably going to have to interject a little more than he wants to if this defense is to improve.

Offensively, we are looking at a different story. Kevin Barbay came up in Jim McElwain's scheme and a few other schemes that are nothing like what he is currently trying to run at Mississippi State. He spent one year at App State and realized "Hey, this is a pretty good scheme". Now, he's trying to run that scheme at Mississippi State. He's not versed in it enough to know all the solutions to the problems. He may get there at some point, but he's clearly not there yet. He doesn't seem to know how to connect everything together in this scheme yet.

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Seems like Barbay had some pretty good solutions. This year Will has thrown for his highest QBR against an FBS opponent by far and just in this game had his most passing yards ever (FBS or FCS). That's in what you call a "RTGDFB" offense.

Seems like you and a lot of people are over reacting. For his scheme to work he wants a TE, the guy we got was ruled ineligible and the other guy would be lucky to start at Delta State. Barbay has changed and tweaked a lot of things after failing the previous week. Maybe the guy is trying to get the 11 best for the installed scheme on the field. We just put up 30 on the road and y'all are trying to tar and feather the dude.

2020 - 2 games over 30 PTs against SEC D:
44 @LSU (Thanks Bo for running man D the entire game lol)
51 home against a garbage Mizzou team (24 against Vandy at home btw)

2021 - 3 games over 30 PTs against SEC D:
45 @ Vandy
43 @ Aub
31 vs KY

2022 - 3 games over 30 PTs against SEC D:
42 vs TX am
40 vs Arky
39 vs Aub

So in 2 SEC games, Barbay has done once what Leach did 3 times in 26. We missed some opportunities against an improved AZ team and everyone on the team sucked vs LSU, but we didn't lose to Memphis or almost lose to LA Tech. Let's keep on crucifying him though.

ETA: Just goes to show KB12 and BlackSailsDawg only care about running the Airbone and not winning. When Leach's offense was awful they blamed it on our D which was by any advanced analytics much better than the offense. Now that the D is worse than the offense they want to call out the OC because it's not the scheme they want. The 2 best offensive schemes in football right now are running a wide zone almost 50/50 run pass ratio using the scheme we're trying to implement. This is far from bone head run up the middle JV football.