As of today, Our Defense is ranked 99th! Offense 95th!

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09-18-2023, 01:21 PM
KB21

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Actually, you are doing nothing more than proving my points.

- Lane vs Barbay. That's your comparison. One was carrying on the same style, the other trying to change it all up.

- YEP! Leach took the 109th passing offense to a top 20 WITHOUT a spring to put in his offense with a True Freshman heavy team! That's called improvement in the face of adversity.

It was a stupid move to change direction with a SR team. We could have had a modified AR with more rushing.

Cole Cubelic said it after Zach got the job. Go get Chris Hatcher to run the offense. Experienced head coach. He knows the Leach Air Raid and had personally expanded the run game part of the version he runs.

If not that, then go get Ben Arbuckle. That is something they could have done.
09-18-2023, 01:21 PM
sandjunky

So for comparison sake
Crxxm
2004 TO: 118 TD: 62
2008 TO: 115 TD: 60

Mullen
2009 TO: 73 TD; 71
2017 TO: 41 TD: 27
09-18-2023, 01:22 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by KB21

Cole Cubelic said it after Zach got the job. Go get Chris Hatcher to run the offense. Experienced head coach. He knows the Leach Air Raid and had personally expanded the run game part of the version he runs.

If not that, then go get Ben Arbuckle. That is something they could have done.

Yep. Even if you keep Hollingshead. He runs it more. But at least he would have known the Roster.
09-18-2023, 01:36 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

And Leach was ranked 20th on the offense he ran. .

We were 43rd in Scoring last year- with the Pick 6's, KO's and Punt returns included
09-18-2023, 01:48 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

We were 43rd in Scoring last year- with the Pick 6's, KO's and Punt returns included

Don't move the goal posts by changing year and what stat you want to interject. His point had nothing to do with scoring offense. We won 9 games with that stat btw.
09-18-2023, 01:48 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I bet Covid only affected our team that season.

Well it's certainly affected us in 2023. By giving us a team full of 23 year olds, yet we're garbage right now.
2020 had a bunch of freshman playing an all sec schedule.
09-18-2023, 01:49 PM
THE Bruce Dickinson

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Originally Posted by msstate7

You're probably right. We did after all put up an offensive clinic against tulsa...

60 plays
271 yds
4.52 per play

2023 off per play vs FBS teams: 4.79 per play

I know this is a crazy thought, but maybe the drastic offensive change in 2020 led to some growing pains... perhaps the same is true this season.

In leach's 3rd game, we put up 295 yards vs Kentucky and scored 2.

We were trying to put in a completely new offense, while not being allowed to have spring training, and the coaches having extremely limited interactions with the team. We basically had about 20 practices and some ZOOM film sessions before playing games.

This has to be an act at this point
09-18-2023, 01:50 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Well it's certainly affected us in 2023. By giving us a team full of 23 year olds, yet we're garbage right now.
2020 had a bunch of freshman playing an all sec schedule.

I would prefer a little less experience and have a lock down cb like Forbes. Give me talent over experience any day
09-18-2023, 01:51 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson

We were trying to put in a completely new offense, while not being allowed to have spring training, and the coaches having extremely limited interactions with the team. We basically had about 20 practices and some ZOOM film sessions before playing games.

This has to be an act at this point

Lane finished #3 nationally in total offense as a rookie coach also
09-18-2023, 01:52 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by Coach34

We were 43rd in Scoring last year- with the Pick 6's, KO's and Punt returns included

Pretty sure none of those are included in scoring "offense" stats. At least pick 6s wouldn't be.
09-18-2023, 01:52 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Lane finished #3 nationally in total offense as a rookie coach also

Nope! He was not changing the offense and had an NFL caliber SR wr and an experience QB and RB.

The 2 are nothing alike. at all.
09-18-2023, 01:57 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Nope! He was not changing the offense and had an NFL caliber SR wr and an experience QB and RB.

The 2 are nothing alike. at all.

Costello was 2nd in the pac 12 passing in 2018

Hill was 3rd in sec in rushing in 2019
09-18-2023, 01:58 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Coach34

We were 43rd in Scoring last year- with the Pick 6's, KO's and Punt returns included

With a juco talent level QB, No NFL WR, and no NFL OL. He should have won coach of the year honestly.

I appreciate all will has done, but his physical talent level is the worst in the league easily and our OL is G5 level.
09-18-2023, 02:01 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I would prefer a little less experience and have a lock down cb like Forbes. Give me talent over experience any day

Well of course. We all would. But the discussion was about offense. The same guys here now were here in 2020 as freshmen. And leach did more with them.

The air raid is literally the only offense will can be halfway efficient at, at this level. What leach got out of this personnel, especially Will, was a minor miracle.

ETA: I'm not an even an air raid homer. I don't care what we run. I like alot of what KB runs. But not with this personnel.
09-18-2023, 02:05 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Costello was 2nd in the pac 12 passing in 2018

Hill was 3rd in sec in rushing in 2019

I'll give you Costello but even he said the SEC was a different animal. Which is part ofnthe reason Will is struggling too. Gotta be TOUGH. Fitz/Dak like tough.

Hill was a primadonna/cancer. Hurt more than he helped and never blocked a LB in his life.
And he was 6th conference only and 18th in avg yds/att vs conference only. He gained most of his yds against KSU and non conference goes.
09-18-2023, 02:05 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Costello was 2nd in the pac 12 passing in 2018

Hill was 3rd in sec in rushing in 2019

Please clarify your overarching point in this thread. I think I may agree with the heart of it, but not certain.
09-18-2023, 02:05 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

I'll buy that. I have noticed the kinder, gentler, no meltdown 7.

I don't think we fire anyone but ZA needs to make sure he's keeping the culture intact. And if we do fire anyone I would start with Friend. He sucks and has always sucked. ZA made a mistake firing Mason or letting him go or whatever. Maybe he had no choice tho ... dunno.

If you are not staying with the air raid, then you don't keep Mason. Whether if it's Friend or someone else that's irrelevant, once you went away from air raid, you had to change your OL coach
09-18-2023, 02:06 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Well of course. We all would. But the discussion was about offense. The same guys here now were here in 2020 as freshmen. And leach did more with them.

The air raid is literally the only offense will can be halfway efficient at, at this level. What leach got out of this personnel, especially Will, was a minor miracle.

That seems to be a compliment and a harsh rebuke in the same paragraph.

I said in the game thread Saturday after 1 drive that this is the biggest talent deficit with lsu in a decade. I stand by that. We looked like we were in slow motion vs them. The good news is that lsu is one of the most talented teams in the sec, so I expect us to look better going forward... I'm assuming reps help with execution; talent is what it is
09-18-2023, 02:10 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

If you are not staying with the air raid, then you don't keep Mason. Whether if it's Friend or someone else that's irrelevant, once you went away from air raid, you had to change your OL coach

Not gonna debate about it but Mason was a good Oline coach. I figure he could make the adjustment. Good coaches are usually good coaches. Leach was a lawyer and then started as Oline coach. He evolved.
09-18-2023, 02:11 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by msstate7

That seems to be a compliment and a harsh rebuke in the same paragraph.

I said in the game thread Saturday after 1 drive that this is the biggest talent deficit with lsu in a decade. I stand by that. We looked like we were in slow motion vs them. The good news is that lsu is one of the most talented teams in the sec, so I expect us to look better going forward... I'm assuming reps help with execution; talent is what it is

I agree with you that we have major talent deficiencies on offense, mainly at OL and QB. In fact, I've been sounding the alarm about our OL all off-season and was told they are old and ran blocked in HS so they'd be fine and I didn't know what I was talking about.

As for will, we've all known for 3 years he can't move and has a weak arm. His strengths are getting the ball out fast and accuracy, neither of which this offense compliments. Just a cluster.

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