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I give monthly to the BI. I never attended MSU. My degree is mustard yellow but my mother graduated from State. It ain't much but I care enough to at least give something. I believe in MSU.
And If I ever win one of those big lotteries with the half billion or so, I'll be giving a $100 million or more.
That's $50 million after Uncle Sam's take. Just saying. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
That's awesomeQuote:
Originally Posted by 99jc
Me: How did a thread praising Arnett become a referendum on Selmon?
Also me: Mississippi State fans, that?s how.
They were already getting paid a lot more on a stipend than you realize. The scholarship players anyway. They are not and never were victims. This whole deal is nothing but politics trickling down. I will leave it at thatQuote:
Originally Posted by dawggrad08
1) how much of a "stipend" were they really getting if Leo Lewis was playing boosters for 10k and Tunsil had to ask a coach for $600 to pay for his mom's utility bill?Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
2) in what way is NIL "politics trickling down"? The Supreme Court (of mostly conservative justicies) ruled that colleges aged adults get rights just like you and me. That's all it is, the right to sell yourself for more money if someone's willing to pay it. We do it every day we go to work, and you'd flip companies if you got offered double the salary. Pro teams have salary caps yes but there's nothing stopping g them from getting add deals on the side, which is basically the name model to how tuition + NIL functions.
I can hate the outcome NIL has on college athletics while also saying it's the correct move to make. It's insane to have a bunch of wealthy old men telling a poor 19 year old they aren't allowed to make money when every other group and age in America can
Been a while since I've posted (taking a break) so first, I'm a little behind on the discussions but I'm fired up about what CZA is doing. I just got a feeling about CZA that big things are coming for MSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
Now to your points.
1) Don't know about stipends but it doesn't matter. Whatever money people get we spend it and want more. The athletes are the richest kids on campus by a long shot so pause while I get my little violin out for them.
2) Here is how it is politics trickling down - The CRT crowd has a victim and oppressor. Yall know where the labels go. The Supreme Court are just humans and they make wrong decisions all the time. We still live by those bad/wrong decisions but don't act like they get it right all the time. The Supreme Court didn't give the right to make more money if you want that is what our Constitution and free market have given all of us. If you don't like playing for a free college education with free everything for 4 years and best facilities in every state a total work 500K+ almost everywhere then you have the freedom to take your talent to the pros whenever you want. I have no issue if they want to work a job to earn money but what we have now is ridiculous and a joke.
College was supposed to be an institution of higher learning but the majority of resources goes towards sports programs. This is the difference. Not about freedom. I love college sports or used to. I quit pro stuff because of all the crap (not money they are making) Go make what the market will bear if you can - same for every other American.
Outstanding post.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
Only problem is you can't go from high school to pro. 3 years in FB. NBA you have to be 19 now and 1 year removed from high school.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
Sure you can. You can become a Pro Grass Cutter, or a Pro Can Stacker or a Pro Car Washer or a Pro Food Server or if you can roller skate a Pro Car Hop at Sonic. Regular Students get scholarships for academic prowess in the HS classrooms and then many of them still get a job while in college. If an athlete isn?t satisfied with the full ride scholarship plus the stipend we all know they get, they can make football a hobby and find another calling. Coaches are highly paid to lead young men between the ages of 17-23 to become better men and prepare for life after play time ends. Playing football is no more a job than swimming, diving, track, field, or any other Olympic Sport. They all train hard to improve their skills so they can be the best they can be.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrCoachKlein
Here is an idea. Pay college athletes exactly the same as the soldier who works in the motor pool or as a desk jockey and doesn?t face bullets whizzing by his or her head.
1. You are talking about their situations before they go to school. I can tell you between their stipends and getting free food clothes virtually anything they need taken care of they are not victims.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
2. They were already making money. Thats what you?re not understanding. They have and had rights. They are the biggest men on campus. Trust me, no one is picking on them. It is absolutely a political issue.
There's quite a difference in someone, who if not for a frivolous rule by the NFL, could make millions and could potentially suffer a career ending injury and a car hop.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
Instead of paying them in college, they should be allowed to accept a job on a pro or semi pro team out of high school.
Lot of hypocrisy in here from "small Govt" pro free market conservatives.
"They should make what soldiers make"- what in the big govt micromanaging the economy is this?? And why shouldn't YOU also make as much as a soldier? Why shouldn't pros make as much as a soldier, or the Apple CEO?
"These athletes are the wealthiest people on campus!"- statistically athletes come from VERY poor backgrounds. Baseball kids often come from money, but football and basketball are often single parent trailer park kids. And with school and their sport it's very difficult to find time for a "normal" job to help out.
"They should be happy with the full ride!!"- wait, they don't deserve the freedom to make more money because you think they make enough already? How is that any different than AOC saying CEO compensation should be capped? Tuition+the other benefits athletes get is about 40k of value; if they should be happy with that, why should you be allowed to earn more than 40k? Why subject this small subset of the population to an income cap when you'd feel outraged if you had an income cap placed on you?
"They can go pro in cutting grass if they don't like the income caps I'm impising on them!" - Again, you'd never want this logic applied anywhere else. If someone came to you and said "were capping your career field at 40k income, if you don't like that go cut grass" you'd be rightfully pissed off. You'd also say it's Big Govt meddling in the free market, and you'd be right.
At the end of the day, athletes are people. And people should have rights to their own name, image, and likeness. What's a more basic individual right than that? Telling someone "you're not allowed to sign a piece of paper and sell it" is about as anti personal freedom as you can get
I think you mean outrageous not outstanding.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
This commie is mad that capitalism has ruled and dictated that people get paid for the compensation they provide.
Sure the things he listed or nice. Guess what else is nice? Billions in revenue. Capitalism came in and said that if you're making all this money then the workers who make it can profit off of it too. Have a free market and let it play out.
Anyone mad about college players getting more money is anti capitalism. Period. The end.
Imagine if welders across the country had to go work in communities where for four years, they refined their welding skills. They get free lodging, food, and "tuition." In exchange the company running it gets tons of free labor. The welders all get paid the same amount regardless of skill. They're capped at the schools' discretion as no free market is allowed to offer higher dollars.
If that sounds like paradise for you... go ask someone you actually trust to tell you what kind of system that is cause you won't like the answer that I give.
I thought you said we could only praise Arnett in this thread?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tater
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This is what I was alluding to in regards to the average fan and NIL
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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
You like others miss the big point - college is not pro sports. Go make all you want in free market. Im all for it. If you want to make this pro sports then yes I'm fine with it all but that is the main point, it aint supposed to be. That is why the NCAA has existed all these years. The advertisments still say amateur sports becuase 99% never make a pro career.
Wealthiest on campus - ah yes. Do they have 200K loan bills when they graduate? No Every other kid except for those that worked their tail off and are talented enough to get some scholarships but they don't get access to best meals on campus, best training facilities, clothes, perks out the rear end. I know eng students have only got to eat a handful of times a week. How do you think those million dollar facilities are paid for?
No one is stopping them from making whatever money they want but if they want to get a college education then a free/expensive ride is paid for to play a fun sport and be idolized.
Why should I be allowed to make 40K a year? Because I ain't getting a free ride to college. They can do the same. No one has taken anything from anyone.
You get what you get paid becuase the market will pay it. You will never earn top dollar mowing grass compared to a doctor, engineer, lawyer, etc. Stupid example you gave.
I don't have a problem with NIL but all that has been done is a money scandal buying players. They wanted to keep the playing field even since it was amateur sports but now it is pro sports to the highest bidder with no rules.
Real simple - college/amateur sports or pro sports. That is the issue. Got nothing to do with freedoms taken away. They all got freedom.
Ain't got nothing to do with capitalism. Has to do with amateur/college sports vs pro sports which is why NCAA existed all these years. College goal is IHL with sports as a way for some to earn their way to a college degree. Those BTW that could not afford otherwise. Not become a pro sports league.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tater
There ain't a red blood cell of commie in me brother. Discernment of the topic is the issue. You know what discernment is don't you? Knowing the difference in right and almost right. Too many today, can't tell the difference.
BTW, even capitalism needs guide rails. Why? Because man is inherently evil and will abuse his power. Free market to go harm anyone you want how you want can't be allowed which is why we have laws and government and governing institutions like NCAA to keep things between the ditches but allow free market between boundaries. We have no boundaries now.
This has nothing to do with capitalism the powers at be made it about that. This has everything to do with what is the purpose of college? It is to get an education, to prepare for the real world, make friends, find a spouse, have some fun.
Sports came in and said ?work? for the University by representing us on the sports field. In return, you will get room and board, travel, clothes, free food year around, and to experience things that the average person will never get to experience.
That is a pretty awesome and fair trade. I would listen to an argument as to why that isn?t fair. But, I?ll be hard pressed to change.
The only thing that should have changed is athletes actually making money off of their name, image, and likeness. They sell a jersey with their name on it, they get proceeds.
This bidding for players via initiatives should have never been allowed. Moves the competition from the field to the donor pockets, which no one wanted unless you hate competition.