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Originally Posted by viverlibre

Why not go after Spencer Sanders or a ton of other QBs that fit Hugh's scheme?

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There are only a handful of schools sanders could go to and be academically eligible, per Michael Borkey. If he can get his academics in order this semester and summer, I doubt he will be at OM in august.

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Originally Posted by viverlibre

Alex, I'll take things that never happened for $500.

I know some idiots tried to start a rumor the barn offered him a big NIL deal, but he's the opposite of what Freeze needs in a QB. I could certainly see Saban or Jimbo taking Will as an insurance policy, but I doubt he'd be offered 7 figures either place. Don't get me wrong, I love the kid and think he'll do better than expected next season, but there's a reason no one outside the MSU family talks about him despite being a record setting QB.

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Nobody said he was offered 7 figures. I said he was offered close to 10 times what he is getting here.

We're about to do some things with NIL. I expect it to fire up this summer probably. You're going to see what having a legitimate AD can do. It won't fix everything, because we don't have the base to compete with the top 6 in the SEC but we we'll be much better.

Anyone that believes our guys are turning down millions of guaranteed dollars are fools. That's not happening. And honestly, it's not happening close to as much as some of you think across the college landscape.
NIL is like your pecker. You can claim you've got 12 inches. But you don't.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

See I disagree with that. The common fans aren't doing anything. We have 15k bulldog club members giving at least $100 a year.
But we only have 1500 bulldog initiative members.

We should have 15k bulldog initiative members giving at least $10 a month. That's 1.8 million yearly and would do absolute wonders.

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I think the "common fan" is turned off by NIL and the current state of college athletics. Greed has overcome common sense and the original intent of an extra curricular activity - sports. I am including coaches here as well. For a coach to make $$M per year is out the the norm of the student body and the alumni in general to support - the common fan! Coaches are not solving world hunger or inventing a cure for cancer or some other benefit to humanity but they make many times more in salary and other perks than the people who do. This is insane!

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

I think the "common fan" is turned off by NIL and the current state of college athletics. Greed has overcome common sense and the original intent of an extra curricular activity - sports. I am including coaches here as well. For a coach to make $$M per year is out the the norm of the student body and the alumni in general to support - the common fan! Coaches are not solving world hunger or inventing a cure for cancer or some other benefit to humanity but they make many times more in salary and other perks than the people who do. This is insane!

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And the common worker has more job stability than a coach too. Not saying they aren't over paid. Some are. But Nick saban dang sure isn't. What he's brought to bama and T town is immeasurable

They were already getting paid. There was no free labor. This is all political at the end of the day

I find it ironic how the ssme southern conservatives who support the free market turn around and say that these kids shouldn't have the right to get paid.

I also find it interesting that these same arguments for why they WERE being paid before NIL also justify slavery. Saying "what do you mean athletes weren't being paid?? They get free food, free tuition, free room, and they get extra tutoring to get the grades high enough to go out on the field" sound a LOT like "What do you mean my slave isn't being paid?? I feed him, clothe him, and have him sleep under a roof. If he dislocated a shoulder I have a Dr reset it so he can get back to work"

At the end of the day, you have the right to accept the job you want. If someone offered you more money to do the same thing, you'd take it. But you want to say these college kids don't get that same right?

Where's the outrage at coaches? You know, the grown men who have already made millions? They ditch teams without warning to go from making $6m a year to $10m. That's OK, but the idea of a college football player being paid to play football is wrong because they were already being "paid enough" via scholarship? Get outa here you hypocritical slave driver

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

I find it ironic how the ssme southern conservatives who support the free market turn around and say that these kids shouldn't have the right to get paid.

I also find it interesting that these same arguments for why they WERE being paid before NIL also justify slavery. Saying "what do you mean athletes weren't being paid?? They get free food, free tuition, free room, and they get extra tutoring to get the grades high enough to go out on the field" sound a LOT like "What do you mean my slave isn't being paid?? I feed him, clothe him, and have him sleep under a roof. If he dislocated a shoulder I have a Dr reset it so he can get back to work"

At the end of the day, you have the right to accept the job you want. If someone offered you more money to do the same thing, you'd take it. But you want to say these college kids don't get that same right?

Where's the outrage at coaches? You know, the grown men who have already made millions? They ditch teams without warning to go from making $6m a year to $10m. That's OK, but the idea of a college football player being paid to play football is wrong because they were already being "paid enough" via scholarship? Get outa here you hypocritical slave driver

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Slaves have no choice. Being a student athlete with the opportunity to earn a degree that betters themselves and their future generations is so vastly different. Honestly to use that word to talk about student athletes of which many of us on here were by choice and love of a sport, it's truly abhorrent to say that we were treated like slaves when actual slavery and forced labor occurs.

And I took what he meant about being paid before NIL, because we know this was happening anyway, under the table monies have been given to players for years. The amounts are different but some were making the same prior to and the start of the NIL.

Just disgusting you think this is anywhere close to slavery when players choose to play a sport they love and compare it real slavery. Abhorrent

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

I hate it as much as anyone and I know some will roll their eyes at this but, we have had some programs really tampering and taking some swings at our guys again. More money than even sounds believable. Idk what the solution is but we have all allowed it. This is not what they said it was.

If you can join Bulldog Initiative do it. I will never talk down to anyone who doesnt bc I more than understand. Whether it?s necessary or you just dont want to give up your money I get it either way.

But dont let anyone fool you, we are having to fend off some big swings. 4 million was an offer here recently. Some of our leaders have turned it down bc it was the right thing and some have made us up the ante. I would never want to coach big time college football ever at this point.

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There's no way we had a guy turn down $4,000,000. Unless someone like Crumedy makes a jump this year, we don't have a dude on the roster that's portal eligible this spring that's going to see that type of money at the next level.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

I find it ironic how the ssme southern conservatives who support the free market turn around and say that these kids shouldn't have the right to get paid.

I also find it interesting that these same arguments for why they WERE being paid before NIL also justify slavery. Saying "what do you mean athletes weren't being paid?? They get free food, free tuition, free room, and they get extra tutoring to get the grades high enough to go out on the field" sound a LOT like "What do you mean my slave isn't being paid?? I feed him, clothe him, and have him sleep under a roof. If he dislocated a shoulder I have a Dr reset it so he can get back to work"

At the end of the day, you have the right to accept the job you want. If someone offered you more money to do the same thing, you'd take it. But you want to say these college kids don't get that same right?

Where's the outrage at coaches? You know, the grown men who have already made millions? They ditch teams without warning to go from making $6m a year to $10m. That's OK, but the idea of a college football player being paid to play football is wrong because they were already being "paid enough" via scholarship? Get outa here you hypocritical slave driver

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You just took the idiot crown off of KBs head, did a backflip, donned a robe, did a Ric Flair woooooooo, paraded around the room and said that damn crown is mine to never be taken away. Congrats!!!!

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

I find it ironic how the ssme southern conservatives who support the free market turn around and say that these kids shouldn't have the right to get paid.

I also find it interesting that these same arguments for why they WERE being paid before NIL also justify slavery. Saying "what do you mean athletes weren't being paid?? They get free food, free tuition, free room, and they get extra tutoring to get the grades high enough to go out on the field" sound a LOT like "What do you mean my slave isn't being paid?? I feed him, clothe him, and have him sleep under a roof. If he dislocated a shoulder I have a Dr reset it so he can get back to work"

At the end of the day, you have the right to accept the job you want. If someone offered you more money to do the same thing, you'd take it. But you want to say these college kids don't get that same right?

Where's the outrage at coaches? You know, the grown men who have already made millions? They ditch teams without warning to go from making $6m a year to $10m. That's OK, but the idea of a college football player being paid to play football is wrong because they were already being "paid enough" via scholarship? Get outa here you hypocritical slave driver

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I don't care if kids get paid to play. I just understand asking fans to pay for it. I don't pay NFL player salaries. Where is all that tv money the school gets. What about all the ticket and merch money. Use that. I will watch but I'm not interested in paying. And no, I won't complain when we suck. Hell, we've always sucked.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

I find it ironic how the ssme southern conservatives who support the free market turn around and say that these kids shouldn't have the right to get paid.

I also find it interesting that these same arguments for why they WERE being paid before NIL also justify slavery. Saying "what do you mean athletes weren't being paid?? They get free food, free tuition, free room, and they get extra tutoring to get the grades high enough to go out on the field" sound a LOT like "What do you mean my slave isn't being paid?? I feed him, clothe him, and have him sleep under a roof. If he dislocated a shoulder I have a Dr reset it so he can get back to work"

At the end of the day, you have the right to accept the job you want. If someone offered you more money to do the same thing, you'd take it. But you want to say these college kids don't get that same right?

Where's the outrage at coaches? You know, the grown men who have already made millions? They ditch teams without warning to go from making $6m a year to $10m. That's OK, but the idea of a college football player being paid to play football is wrong because they were already being "paid enough" via scholarship? Get outa here you hypocritical slave driver

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You do know that these players are students first and foremost.... right?

Man

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Originally Posted by msu15

There's no way we had a guy turn down $4,000,000. Unless someone like Crumedy makes a jump this year, we don't have a dude on the roster that's portal eligible this spring that's going to see that type of money at the next level.

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Wellllll

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

I find it ironic how the ssme southern conservatives who support the free market turn around and say that these kids shouldn't have the right to get paid.

I also find it interesting that these same arguments for why they WERE being paid before NIL also justify slavery. Saying "what do you mean athletes weren't being paid?? They get free food, free tuition, free room, and they get extra tutoring to get the grades high enough to go out on the field" sound a LOT like "What do you mean my slave isn't being paid?? I feed him, clothe him, and have him sleep under a roof. If he dislocated a shoulder I have a Dr reset it so he can get back to work"

At the end of the day, you have the right to accept the job you want. If someone offered you more money to do the same thing, you'd take it. But you want to say these college kids don't get that same right?

Where's the outrage at coaches? You know, the grown men who have already made millions? They ditch teams without warning to go from making $6m a year to $10m. That's OK, but the idea of a college football player being paid to play football is wrong because they were already being "paid enough" via scholarship? Get outa here you hypocritical slave driver

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This is the most ignorant load of horse shit I've read on here in a while, and that's saying something.

College football players, especially in the SEC, are treated like kings. They willingly signed up for this. Like, mama crying on signing day over how great this is, signed up for it. They weren't ripped from their homes, put on a boat and forced to work for nothing. They get a MUCH better package that 90% of people attending college.

And also, the bit about southern conservatives being hypocritical about the free market is the weakest talking point that keeps getting repeated. You can be for capitalism and also think that free market principles don't make the best most competitive sports environment. No other successful sports leagues have a wide open market with no restrictions, no contracts, leave any time you want, go directly to the competition whenever, etc. And oh by the way, the fans are directly responsible for the compensation. It's a ridiculous set up and there's a reason it's not like this anywhere else.

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Originally Posted by RiverCityDawg

This is the most ignorant load of horse shit I've read on here in a while, and that's saying something.

College football players, especially in the SEC, are treated like kings. They willingly signed up for this. Like, mama crying on signing day over how great this is, signed up for it. They weren't ripped from their homes, put on a boat and forced to work for nothing. They get a MUCH better package that 90% of people attending college.

And also, the bit about southern conservatives being hypocritical about the free market is the weakest talking point that keeps getting repeated. You can be for capitalism and also think that free market principles don't make the best most competitive sports environment. No other successful sports leagues have a wide open market with no restrictions, no contracts, leave any time you want, go directly to the competition whenever, etc. And oh by the way, the fans are directly responsible for the compensation. It's a ridiculous set up and there's a reason it's not like this anywhere else.

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Correct. The last thing 99% of college athletes want is to be employees in a free market system. Don't take my word for it, they testified about it two weeks ago before Congress. I wouldn't have wanted that either.

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Originally Posted by msu15

There's no way we had a guy turn down $4,000,000. Unless someone like Crumedy makes a jump this year, we don't have a dude on the roster that's portal eligible this spring that's going to see that type of money at the next level.

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Of course not, no idea why that poster is so tied to that narrative. NIL deals for the most part aren't near as big as some fans think.

As of January 24, 2023, Arch (the highest profile recruit ever with a golden name) only has a $3.7 mil deal and Caleb Williams, reigning Heisman at a blue blood, has a $3.2 mil deal, no other football player has a deal over $2 mil.

I love how all criticisms of what I said are based on misreading it.

I never said playing football is the same as slavery. I said the talking points used to defend the pre NIL system also apply to slavery. Which is true

And regarding making a "competitive sports league", the pros do have salary caps BUT they do not tell players "you can't sign advertising deals or make money outside of this contract". That is what pre NIL was; "you will not earn a cent that doesn't come from this scholarship". Before signing g his new contract Dak made like 95% of his money from advertising deals that college players couldn't sign till NIL.

Again, telling someone they aren't allowed to make money is anti free market, anti personal freedom, and hypocritical since we would never want such rules applied to ourselves.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

I love how all criticisms of what I said are based on misreading it.

I never said playing football is the same as slavery. I said the talking points used to defend the pre NIL system also apply to slavery. Which is true

And regarding making a "competitive sports league", the pros do have salary caps BUT they do not tell players "you can't sign advertising deals or make money outside of this contract". That is what pre NIL was; "you will not earn a cent that doesn't come from this scholarship". Before signing g his new contract Dak made like 95% of his money from advertising deals that college players couldn't sign till NIL.

Again, telling someone they aren't allowed to make money is anti free market, anti personal freedom, and hypocritical since we would never want such rules applied to ourselves.

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Wow, you are still missing the whole point of college. The only reason reason colleges existed in the first place was to get a higher level of education over and above that which is obtainable in high school. It was a means of educating the populace so they could innovate and make the human condition better - to solve problems. Sports was merely an after school or extra curricular activity that provided a range of activities organized outside of the regular school day, curriculum or course intended to meet learners' interests.

Note first you had to be a student in good standing - have a C level grade point average or you did not qualify to participate.

Initially there were no scholarships, students played for the fun of it. Scholarships came about to help college athletes who demonstrate outstanding academic and athletic achievement a means to pursue additional educational opportunities .

The intent was never to be a semipro or farm league for the pros. This is what is turning the average fan off of college sports.

Now the focus is not about education but about how do I train and prep to be a pro athlete. This is not the place of a university, its place was and still should be, education - training the mind!

You make it sound like student athletes are not getting paid when in fact, if they take advantage of a FREE education and FREE Room and Free Board, yes they are getting paid. When I attended MSU in the 1970s, I worked for the university on a research project, 1/2 time - 20 hours/week, and I did not get the benefits that student athletes get. I earned minimum wage ($2.50/hr) and that was it! I did not complain, nor did my coworkers, that we were underpaid and we wanted more money or a full ride scholarship since the university was making good money off of our research! We were glad we could contribute and we were proud of the work we did!

Today, with college athletics, it is pure greed as they smell money and they want their perceived share! Universities are today in a business they were never intended to be in. Athletes who want to go pro need to skip college, even though I think it is dumb to do so, and go directly to pros and take their chances - even though at 18 years old they do not, for the most part, have the physical skills or game intelligence of older athletes that are pros.