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01-05-2023, 11:51 PM
yjnkdawg

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

You don't hire coaches to knowingly fire them

Yeah I agree. I couldn't understand the short term option comment and how does anybody know he wouldn't be successful here?
01-06-2023, 12:46 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

You don't hire coaches to knowingly fire them

I was thinking more like retire than fire.
01-06-2023, 12:48 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Peter Sirmon was the DC when they "about beat us". Just remember that. And against superior competition his teams have had trouble consistently scoring. He may end up being a good hire, but I don't see it. And judging by the fact that no one has even reached out to him yet it doesn't seem like I'm the only one that doesn't see it.

He did the same thing to Florida a few years later when they had Grantham.
01-06-2023, 12:49 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Dawgface

No but we didn't have a modified AR that we all want too. One could argue his hands were somewhat handcuffed. But it doesn't matter......sounds like the bridge was burned anyway.

The way I see it is he got his chance to show what he could do and that was it and so we can move in a different direction fair or not.
01-06-2023, 09:51 AM
Spiderman

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Bro you've been m.i.a for 2 years.

yep, and all the one's screaming no to Hatcher were screaming no to leach back when i was active and promoting Leach.
01-06-2023, 10:31 AM
MrCoachKlein

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Ok I know some won't like this but we are not hiring a HC and he may want the year off. But Scott Frost is sitting at the house and his offenses prior to his HC stint at Neb were very good. Oregon and UCF. 2013 3rd scoring, 2014 5th 2015 5th 2016 66th (126 year before at UCF) 2017 1st nationally

Seems like Heupel and Kelly were the masterminds of those offenses though.
01-06-2023, 10:37 AM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by MrCoachKlein

Seems like Heupel and Kelly were the masterminds of those offenses though.

Scott called the plays and evolved Oregon scheme and developed it for UCF.
01-06-2023, 10:40 AM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by Spiderman

yep, and all the one's screaming no to Hatcher were screaming no to leach back when i was active and promoting Leach.

Leach was meh
01-06-2023, 10:54 AM
MrCoachKlein

Hatcher GA Southern:

Not there in 06 & 10

06
PPG 22.2
Yds 3635

07
PPG 36.82
YDS 4926

08
PPG 30.64
YDS 4070

09
PPG 17.6
YDS 2756

10
PPG 27.53
YDS 5189

Murray St - there 2010-14

09
PPG 18.2
YDS 2531

10
PPG 36.1
YDS 4947

11
PPG 37.1
YDS 5070

12
PPG 39.2
YDS 5328

13
PPG 29.8
YDS 4783

14
PPG 36.6
YDS 5620

15
PPG 30.5
YDS 5127

Samford - there 15-22

14
PPG 32.7
YDS 4392

15
PPG 34.64
YDS 5277

16
PPG 35.08
YDS 5354

17
PPG 28
YDS 4960

18
PPG 38.45
YDS 5639

19
PPG 32.25
YDS 4844

20
PPG 40.29
YDS 3597 (COVID YEAR ONLY 7 GAMES)
YPG 513.9

21
PPG 37.91
YDS 4936

22
PPG 32.77
YDS 5651

Seems like he improved offense where he went. A bit of a mixed bag though. I should've done YPG instead of total yards.
01-06-2023, 12:38 PM
Spiderman

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Leach was meh

Yeah, he only built a stable program on the upswing and won 9 games.
01-06-2023, 12:40 PM
StarkVegasSteve

If you're one of the people who are clamoring to run the ball more and be more balanced then Chris Hatcher is not who you'll want to hire. He throws it about as much as Leach. As I've said a few times, he's as close to pure Air Raid as they come.
01-06-2023, 12:43 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

If you're one of the people who are clamoring to run the ball more and be more balanced then Chris Hatcher is not who you'll want to hire. He throws it about as much as Leach. As I've said a few times, he's as close to pure Air Raid as they come.

Very true
01-06-2023, 01:16 PM
RiverCityDawg

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

If you're one of the people who are clamoring to run the ball more and be more balanced then Chris Hatcher is not who you'll want to hire. He throws it about as much as Leach. As I've said a few times, he's as close to pure Air Raid as they come.

Hatcher was about 55% pass / 45% run this year, so pretty balanced. Uses a tight end, tighter OL splits, runs a very fast tempo, and incorporates RPO's. Also adjusts his offense to the QB's strength. Their backup was a really mobile guy so he used QB power a bunch with him when their starter when down in the playoffs this year.

Maybe as close or closest to Leach than some others because he is very much an air raid system guy, but still very different from the "pure" version of it Leach ran. He does pretty much all the things our fans have been asking for over the last 3 years.
01-06-2023, 01:21 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

If you're one of the people who are clamoring to run the ball more and be more balanced then Chris Hatcher is not who you'll want to hire. He throws it about as much as Leach. As I've said a few times, he's as close to pure Air Raid as they come.

We need an nfl qb and to be a heavy pass team. More margin for error. Ability to come from behind. Leach beat more ranked teams in 3 years than anybody in our history. And did it with a qb whose skill set is average.
01-06-2023, 01:23 PM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by confucius say

We need an nfl qb and to be a heavy pass team. More margin for error. Ability to come from behind. Leach beat more ranked teams in 3 years than anybody in our history. And did it with a qb whose skill set is average.

Those don't grow on trees and they sure as hell don't grow in Mississippi. You have to recruit Texas, Florida, California to find guys like that. And unfortunately we don't recruit those areas well at all. And are best recruiters in those areas are no longer on staff.
01-06-2023, 01:36 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Those don't grow on trees and they sure as hell don't grow in Mississippi. You have to recruit Texas, Florida, California to find guys like that. And unfortunately we don't recruit those areas well at all. And are best recruiters in those areas are no longer on staff.

Im not saying an nfl all pro like Dak or even a starter. But a guy who is good enough to make a roster. A lot of those guys exists. Just a minshew type. Nick *******. Austin Davis. Etc...
01-06-2023, 01:38 PM
Spiderman

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

If you're one of the people who are clamoring to run the ball more and be more balanced then Chris Hatcher is not who you'll want to hire. He throws it about as much as Leach. As I've said a few times, he's as close to pure Air Raid as they come.

Actually he belives very much in running the ball. In fact he has a power play that many have copied. Fun fact, he gave Kirby Smart his 1st job, and Sonny dykes was his GA at Kentucky. His own quote is you have to be able to run and play defense to win a championship.

Too many people don't throughly research people before spouting opinions.
01-06-2023, 01:38 PM
Spiderman

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Originally Posted by RiverCityDawg

Hatcher was about 55% pass / 45% run this year, so pretty balanced. Uses a tight end, tighter OL splits, runs a very fast tempo, and incorporates RPO's. Also adjusts his offense to the QB's strength. Their backup was a really mobile guy so he used QB power a bunch with him when their starter when down in the playoffs this year.

Maybe as close or closest to Leach than some others because he is very much an air raid system guy, but still very different from the "pure" version of it Leach ran. He does pretty much all the things our fans have been asking for over the last 3 years.

yep
01-06-2023, 01:41 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Spiderman

Actually he belives very much in running the ball. In fact he has a power play that many have copied. Fun fact, he gave Kirby Smart his 1st job, and Sonny dykes was his GA at Kentucky. His own quote is you have to be able to run and play defense to win a championship.

Too many people don't throughly research people before spouting opinions.

Will Muschamp too
01-06-2023, 01:43 PM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by Spiderman

Actually he belives very much in running the ball. In fact he has a power play that many have copied. Fun fact, he gave Kirby Smart his 1st job, and Sonny dykes was his GA at Kentucky. Disown quote is you have to be able to run and play defense to win a championship.

Too many people don't throughly research people before spouting opinions.

He didn't hire Kirby, Will did. And Sonny was Mike and Hal's GA. Hatcher was a GA with him. Now he may believe in running the ball, but he doesn't do it very well. He had the 81st ranked rushing offense in FCS this year. Not exactly lighting it up. But look at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. Cause we ain't hiring him. We haven't even talked to him. Cole Cubelic can push him all day long, but Zach has had no conversations with him about the OC job. And look, as big of a s***show as this is becoming I'd take him. I don't think he'd be a good hire. But we could and may end up doing worse.

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