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Originally Posted by Desoto1967

Would a Spurrier Jr. offense be any different from what is Leach is doing now?

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Unless Spurrier is being held back in areas by Leach, we are still having issues with WR rotation as a whole, short arms, disappearing acts during some games, need for chair removal, drops.

Don't complain about losing players if you're not donating to The Bulldog Initiative.

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

No one is running that 90s version of air raid but Leach. I'll take some Heupel offense.

Deion might be risky but I think we'd get some recruits.

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People are greatly overestimating the influence Deion would have on recruiting. Recruits aren't going to ignore NIL because they want to play for Deion. Deion might be the deciding factor with NIL deals are close, but if we hired Deion we'd still be behind in recruiting but we'd be reliant on coordinators for x's and o's. That seems extremely dangerous to me.

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

What could Sankey do?

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He can't prevent Auburn from hiring Freeze but if the SEC Office is against Freeze coming back in the SEC, then that is a dumb move on Auburn's part if they go ahead and hire Freeze. Saban wasn't going to go against the SEC Office. You don't want to upset or be on the bad side of the SEC Office if you are a member school of the SEC. That's pure stupidity.

The League Office has a few important roles:

Collect the checks
Dispurse the checks.
Lobby for Bowls for its members
Oversee the SEC Chempionship sports.

Hiring and Firing Head Football Coaches or admonishing Schools for hiring against their preferences isn?t one of them.

All the Schools have certain autonomy to staff all of their departments.

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

Not a damn thing. And I've been saying Freeze to Auburn for a year. It's a given.

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He can do some things, or at least he can if he has the same level of support as Slive did. But they mostly involve "abusing" discretion that the conference has. Before paying recruits moved above the table, you were taking a huge risk tweaking the SEC office because they helped protect cheaters. Cam Newton doesn't play after everything becomes public if the SEC doesn't have Auburn's back. We got hammered for Will Redmond because we made a stink about Cam. Ole Miss was protected because while they weren't a blue blood, they were still a member of the SEC; and maybe partly because the SEC didn't want the Freeze stuff coming out either. Now though, basically they influence bowl selections and how roughly you get treated with fines for stuff like criticizing officials, maybe some scheduling. Hard to consistently punish somebody for that, but you can maek sure the swing cases go against them.

But while they can't do anything to Auburn per se, they can tell Freeze's agent that if Auburn is going to hire him, they are going to have to open back up the investigation into who those escorts were for, and then it just becomes a matter of whether Freeze thinks all of that will look too bad for the SEC for them to bring it up, or whether he'd rather just keep coaching outside of the SEC and not open that can of worms.

I personally don't think the SEC will go to the mat to keep Freeze out and that Auburn is not going to be scared off. That said, I'm not sure Freeze wants to come back to the SEC; if he hasn't cleaned up his act, then he may not want to be under that microscope again.

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

Is it us or him? Didn't we have to dig deep in the pockets last off season to keep him?

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He's the most valuable player on the team, imo. Whatever it takes.

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

People are greatly overestimating the influence Deion would have on recruiting. Recruits aren't going to ignore NIL because they want to play for Deion. Deion might be the deciding factor with NIL deals are close, but if we hired Deion we'd still be behind in recruiting but we'd be reliant on coordinators for x's and o's. That seems extremely dangerous to me.

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This ^^^

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

People are greatly overestimating the influence Deion would have on recruiting. Recruits aren't going to ignore NIL because they want to play for Deion. Deion might be the deciding factor with NIL deals are close, but if we hired Deion we'd still be behind in recruiting but we'd be reliant on coordinators for x's and o's. That seems extremely dangerous to me.

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If Deion came to MSU, NIL money would roll in.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Just passing along some talk I hear from people I know that talk to important people- take it with a grain of salt:

1. Freezus to Auburn has legs and really could happen. Auburn gonna tell Sankey to get ****ed. Yesterday's upset just gave them more resolve

2. We have 1 or more WR's and a QB that will hit the portal

3. Leach returning next season is not a given. Between NIL, a new AD, and SEC defenses- he will do some soul searching.

4. Baseball coaches are very excited after the Fall.

5. ScoobaDawg is considering transitioning and goes by They/Them

6. Tusk has to purchase a new trailer after Saturday night

7. Thick has a Pride flag flying at his house now

8. GoldenDawg is actually Mark Keenum

9. Tater is actually Mark Keenum

10. Quaoarsking is Bart Gregory

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I think the WR that will transfer is Zavian Thomas. There's a reason he was inactive Sat night. He does not like Leach. If you watch the video about Leach going around to his team before the game to make eye contact and shake hands, Thomas doesn't acknowledge him. He keeps his head down in his phone.

All is not well between Leach and this receiver group. See: taking up The folding chairs Sat night and throwing them down

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Originally Posted by RezDog7

Well, I'd hate to lose him but tbh, he's dropped as many as his caught sooo.

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Losing Tulu would hurt more in the return specialist role, but I have no doubt that another team would put him in the slot and he would explode and be All-everything.

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Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder

I think the WR that will transfer is Zavian Thomas. There's a reason he was inactive Sat night. He does not like Leach. If you watch the video about Leach going around to his team before the game to make eye contact and shake hands, Thomas doesn't acknowledge him. He keeps his head down in his phone.

All is not well between Leach and this receiver group. See: taking up The folding chairs Sat night and throwing them down

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Major controversy, big time major

Well either our WRs are turrible route runners, don?t know where they are supposed to go to find green space, or are just plain and simply lazy.

I would prefer we settle on a 6 guy rotation, have 10 on the roster each year, and make this thing work.

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Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder

I think the WR that will transfer is Zavian Thomas. There's a reason he was inactive Sat night. He does not like Leach. If you watch the video about Leach going around to his team before the game to make eye contact and shake hands, Thomas doesn't acknowledge him. He keeps his head down in his phone.

All is not well between Leach and this receiver group. See: taking up The folding chairs Sat night and throwing them down

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So a kid that Leach signed last year doesn't like Leach. Maybe so, but maybe not.

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Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder

I think the WR that will transfer is Zavian Thomas. There's a reason he was inactive Sat night. He does not like Leach. If you watch the video about Leach going around to his team before the game to make eye contact and shake hands, Thomas doesn't acknowledge him. He keeps his head down in his phone.

All is not well between Leach and this receiver group. See: taking up The folding chairs Sat night and throwing them down

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If the receivers don't want to be there then let them go. I want receivers that want to play for Mike Leach.

That's just how it is. I want them to catch the damn ball when it hits them in the hands. We've been missing that lately. Although Will's accuracy seems to have taken a few steps back this year, but is it him or the receivers?

Maybe if they work harder to get open then Will will pass to them more.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Don't complain about losing players if you're not donating to The Bulldog Initiative.

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Can we complain about not losing players that we are paying for?!!? ****

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Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder

I think the WR that will transfer is Zavian Thomas. There's a reason he was inactive Sat night. He does not like Leach. If you watch the video about Leach going around to his team before the game to make eye contact and shake hands, Thomas doesn't acknowledge him. He keeps his head down in his phone.

All is not well between Leach and this receiver group. See: taking up The folding chairs Sat night and throwing them down

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Genespage subscriber told me at game Z was suspended for two games, thus Tulu fielding punts against AU.

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Originally Posted by memsu06

If the receivers don't want to be there then let them go. I want receivers that want to play for Mike Leach.

That's just how it is. I want them to catch the damn ball when it hits them in the hands. We've been missing that lately. Although Will's accuracy seems to have taken a few steps back this year, but is it him or the receivers?

Maybe if they work harder to get open then Will will pass to them more.

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I watched the replay of the game last night. OT's whiffing all night. Jones and Dolla made no difference. Did Will no favors, in addition to his sometimes holding ball too long and soft receivers disappearing. Good receivers or those that think they are good like to go deep and be targeted. Expect big portal exit in our WR room. JMO.

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Originally Posted by Matt3467

#3 Sounds like more of a dig than a rumor.

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I'll reveal my total ignorance on this topic.

Has the MSU Press ever asked Leach about getting a mobile QB that can throw 50 passes too. A wrinkle that dumb fans think is necessary to succeed in the SEC.

Cause I lived in Norman OK at the time, Leach actually brought Josh Heupel to Oklahoma. Nowadays, Josh looks like Jabba the Fulmer. But at Oklahoma, he was a Will Rodgers body-type clone. Sooner won a NC with Heupel and he nearly won a Heisman in 2000. Zero mobility, not a huge arm, and a clever play maker. But successful and a National Champion.

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/authorin...-3a646120.jpeg

His QBs at TTU were also similar guys. They did throw for a lot of yards but Big 12 defenses were trash in that era. I guess that success has made Leach comfortable with his choices. Mahomes and Mayfield never played for Leach, they were Kingsbury kids.

https://www.usatoday.com/picture-gal...fl/2441762001/

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Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer

I'll reveal my total ignorance on this topic.

Has the MSU Press ever asked Leach about getting a mobile QB that can throw 50 passes too. A wrinkle that dumb fans think is necessary to succeed in the SEC.

Cause I lived in Norman OK at the time, Leach actually brought Josh Heupel to Oklahoma. Nowadays, Josh looks like Jabba the Fulmer. But at Oklahoma, he was a Will Rodgers body-type clone. Sooner won a NC with Heupel and he nearly won a Heisman in 2000. Zero mobility, not a huge arm, and a clever play maker. But successful and a National Champion.

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/authorin...-3a646120.jpeg

His QBs at TTU were also similar guys. They did throw for a lot of yards but Big 12 defenses were trash in that era. I guess that success has made Leach comfortable with his choices. Mahomes and Mayfield never played for Leach, they were Kingsbury kids.

https://www.usatoday.com/picture-gal...fl/2441762001/

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I don't know if any stats are available, but I'd wager the talent gap between OU and it's main competitors was much less than the gap between us and LSU, Bama, UGA, etc. Additionally I wager top defenses currently in the SEC are light years ahead of what OU faced in those days. It's about adding one more option that the D has to be concerned with. Everything changes and adapts, look at Heupel, he has a mobile QB. In short, everything works until is doesn't.