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03-11-2022, 12:49 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by calidawg

Matt McMahon is not going to be the coach here. He is going to have much better options. Jans maybe. My bet is richey or someone not on the radar yet. We are not a great job, we just have to hope we get lucky

I think you may be surprised. Our fans perception of our job & the actual perception of our job are totally different. Totally
03-11-2022, 12:50 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

That's not what I'm saying 7. You said you were in the camp for Richey. I'm not asking if you support firing Howland, just what makes you think he can do better than Howland - since I assume by replacing Howland we are looking for someone who could do better.

I don't know if Richey can do better or not. I just don't think we're gonna get top targets, so I see us ending up with a guy like richey that may or may not be better.

The guy I think we might could get that could actually be an improvement is mccasland. He probably won't be an option though bc he doesn't play up tempo/exciting
03-11-2022, 12:51 PM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

That's not what I'm saying 7. You said you were in the camp for Richey. I'm not asking if you support firing Howland, just what makes you think he can do better than Howland - since I assume by replacing Howland we are looking for someone who could do better.

I will give you the answer that most people will say, his teams shoot 3s and somehow that is going to make us automatically win more games. The truth of the matter is that maybe it will and maybe it will not. I lean more towards will not, but that is me. College Basketball coaching hires are an absolute crapshoot. Archie Miller looked like a slam dunk at Indiana and was canned in 4 years. Nate Oats was one of the biggest WTF hires of the 2019 coaching cycles and has Bama in back to back NCAA tourneys with a conference regular season and tourney title on his resume.
03-11-2022, 12:52 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

Novak had coached women for 7 months. There go MSU fans developing an emotional attachment to coaches again just because they seem to want to be here. Hire the best coach possible. That’s not Doug Novak.
03-11-2022, 04:40 PM
NCMSTFAN

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Novak had coached women for 7 months. There go MSU fans developing an emotional attachment to coaches again just because they seem to want to be here. Hire the best coach possible. That’s not Doug Novak.

From an x and o standpoint Novak is qualified, he showed that this season, but that doesn't always equal success because you have to recruit well, manage ego's, manage assistant coaches (which became an issue this year), so to be honest it's hard to truly tell how good of a fit he is.... but from everything I saw this season I would definitely give him a shot at it. We get Jessika Carter and Danae Carter back, Jerkaila Jordan will be back, the Michigan State transfer, maybe Myah Taylor, so he will have some pieces to work with. Our biggest loss by far will be Anastasia Hayes, I don't think people understand how good she is
03-11-2022, 04:43 PM
MoreCowbell

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

I think you may be surprised. Our fans perception of our job & the actual perception of our job are totally different. Totally

It is a MUCH more desirable position now than when Howland took it
03-11-2022, 04:46 PM
MoreCowbell

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I will give you the answer that most people will say, his teams shoot 3s and somehow that is going to make us automatically win more games. The truth of the matter is that maybe it will and maybe it will not. I lean more towards will not, but that is me. College Basketball coaching hires are an absolute crapshoot. Archie Miller looked like a slam dunk at Indiana and was canned in 4 years. Nate Oats was one of the biggest WTF hires of the 2019 coaching cycles and has Bama in back to back NCAA tourneys with a conference regular season and tourney title on his resume.

The key is to keep recruiting these great raw athletes at the 3,4 and 5 but add in a couple of Tyson Carter types or pure shooters. If this team had 1 or 2 guys that could pop from 3 we would have 3/4 more wins
03-11-2022, 04:48 PM
schddog72

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

This... and it?s absurd Novak hasn?t gotten the job yet.. hopefully LB won?t be involved in the hiring process ..

Absolutely THIS!!!
03-11-2022, 04:48 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN

From an x and o standpoint Novak is qualified, he showed that this season, but that doesn't always equal success because you have to recruit well, manage ego's, manage assistant coaches (which became an issue this year), so to be honest it's hard to truly tell how good of a fit he is.... but from everything I saw this season I would definitely give him a shot at it. We get Jessika Carter and Danae Carter back, Jerkaila Jordan will be back, the Michigan State transfer, maybe Myah Taylor, so he will have some pieces to work with. Our biggest loss by far will be Anastasia Hayes, I don't think people understand how good she is

The thing is this isn’t a next year hire. This is a next 5 years hire. The guy has never recruited in the womens game before. He doesn’t have a relationship with any of the female AAU organizations & he has no contacts in the womens game to hire that lights out recruiter who could do that. I just think people are taking this feel good story of this season & trying to make him into something that he’s not.
03-11-2022, 05:19 PM
NCMSTFAN

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

The thing is this isn’t a next year hire. This is a next 5 years hire. The guy has never recruited in the womens game before. He doesn’t have a relationship with any of the female AAU organizations & he has no contacts in the womens game to hire that lights out recruiter who could do that. I just think people are taking this feel good story of this season & trying to make him into something that he’s not.

You may be 100% correct. But I watched most of the games this year and clearly saw he can coach, he was able to keep 4 star Powe committed and brought in the really good Michigan State transfer so it seems he can recruit some.. unless you have a strong replacement with a great history I wouldn't bet against Novak. And even then I still may not... Just my opinion though
03-11-2022, 06:25 PM
calidawg

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

I think you may be surprised. Our fans perception of our job & the actual perception of our job are totally different. Totally

I'm not understanding how our job is any better than our p5 contemporaries. If you can paint the picture of how ours is better than some of our peers, I'm all ears.
03-11-2022, 07:24 PM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

The thing is this isn’t a next year hire. This is a next 5 years hire. The guy has never recruited in the womens game before. He doesn’t have a relationship with any of the female AAU organizations & he has no contacts in the womens game to hire that lights out recruiter who could do that. I just think people are taking this feel good story of this season & trying to make him into something that he’s not.

It's the NIL Era. The boosters can help him fill his deficiencies (if applicable) while he builds those relationships.
03-11-2022, 07:55 PM
Coach34

Novak is Richard Williams.

Hire him and get him a John Brady or a Stands
03-11-2022, 07:56 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by calidawg

I'm not understanding how our job is any better than our p5 contemporaries. If you can paint the picture of how ours is better than some of our peers, I'm all ears.

What jobs are you referring to?
03-11-2022, 07:57 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Novak is Richard Williams.

Hire him and get him a John Brady or a Stands

The question is connections. To hire those type of coaches you usually need connections. That’s the issue.
03-11-2022, 07:57 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

What jobs are you referring to?

Missouri and Georgia.

I would think most fiches rank them ahead of us even if we're better
03-11-2022, 07:58 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

The question is connections. To hire those type of coaches you usually need connections. That’s the issue.

or money. Pay them
03-11-2022, 08:01 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Missouri and Georgia.

I would think most fiches rank them ahead of us even if we're better

I expect to beat out UGA for a coach. ESP if that coach is McMahon. UGA isn’t looked at as better than us. Missouri is pretty even in that terms but they don’t seem to be looking in the same direction early as us.
03-11-2022, 08:10 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Coach34

or money. Pay them

Exactly, this isn't rocket surgery. I'd rather have a guy that can coach who can hire some recruiters than us keep hiring the Cohen specials we've been getting that cant seem to coach at all. Whether you hire Novak or some G5 coach it's a gamble either way. A lot of the roster is going to leave if Novak doesn't get the job so whoever we do hire sure better be able to recruit.
03-11-2022, 08:15 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

I think you may be surprised. Our fans perception of our job & the actual perception of our job are totally different. Totally

We aren't a top 50 job.

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