College Football Players to Sue for Employee Privileges

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Originally Posted by viverlibre

I can see the SEC and other P5 leagues signing deals to be development leagues for the NFL. A minor league type system, this may dilute some of the talent stockpiled at Bama, UGA, TOHSU, etc., obviously these schools hold most of the power related to decisions in College Football, so it may be a tough sell.

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I agree with this thought. The NFL and other major sport franchises will formalize what is already happening, they will make certain major schools their minor league franchises, the sooner we understand this the better. This is more like the Euro system, I know of several guys that were promising soccer players in Europe that became semi-pro in HS. The teams were in no way aligned to their school. It was first a club sport and in some cases the better athletes were recruited onto semi-pro and lower level pro teams.

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

The ncaa rules are you have to be an "amateur" to compete in ncaa sports. They define amateurism as someone not paid (among other things) for participation in sports. So....to ever make players paid employees, the ncaa has to go or they have to change their definition on amateurism.

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Because of the NCAAs misconduct and refusal to apply rules equitable and fairly, the courts have taken away the absolute authority it once had. What has been seen can not be unseen. Now amateurism is in the eyes of the courts?

If I were the SEC commission and this happened, I would get all SEC schools to ban together and charge each student athlete (as a debit to their NIL and employee status) for training and care while a member of the teams.

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

If I were the SEC commission and this happened, I would get all SEC schools to ban together and charge each student athlete (as a debit to their NIL and employee status) for training and care while a member of the teams.

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If a bunch of SEC schools got together and attempted to do what you imply, the courts will act once students demand redress from their actions. Subordinate courts will have to accept jurisdiction of superior federal courts who have stated how this NIL will be interpreted by law. Trying to end run federal law by the SEC is a sanction able act.

This is quite the conundrum. Things are definitely changing, and not for the better. Making sports a free market is going to cause many sports to diminish or reduce funding. There will probably be a fee associated with playing a non-profitable sport instead of scholarship. So, for many sports, athletes will face paying more to attend school and participate. Those will be the travel teams of college.
College football will become an extension of the NFL, and if that happens, you can bet there will only be 1 team per state. The ins and outs of this will rewrite rivalries, and the quality of play at those still associated with schools.
As far as NBA, they should be able to be drafted after HS. There is no need for one and done in basketball.

Sickening thing about this is whole thing is it's being pushed by a bunch of money hungry lawyers. Makes me wonder what's going to be next cuz they're already planning. Leeches.

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Originally Posted by parabrave

Yep lets see how they like paying not only for Tuition and books but also got their room and board. Add in the food they eat, Steak, they should have to pay trainers for taping them, tutors for taking their test for them and all the extra crap they get that normal paying students don't. And as freshmen they should have to sign non competitive clauses.

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All of those would have to be covered in additional to the salary and fringe benefits. Seriously guys, you act like the players do not hold all the cards here. They do, because colleges need these players, not the other way around. Sure the low ranked players need the colleges, but the guys we need to compete in the top of the SEC holds literally all the cards.

MSU should come out and put together a dynamite full package based on recruit ranking with some options for the coaching staff to offer above slot for key players.

Full package
Salary for starters
Salary for back ups
Signing bonuses based on recruit level
Full tuition
Full room and board off campus
Preferred parking and choice of new charger or challenger/mustang lease
Bonuses based on performance criteria
Signing bonuses each year on campus

Performance based unless replaced or cut.
Contracts can be made for a year or multiple years, and bonuses reflect the commitment.

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

Hahah. They don?t realize they already get more than most employees.

ETA: I like the idea. Just pull scholarships. Have them sign a buyout contract. Give them a salary and a signing bonus and let them figure out the rest with NIL deals. Of course, they will have to figure out how to remain in class and pay for tuition, books, room and board?but hey?they get paid like all the other adults now!!! It ALLLLLL equal now. They will even get health insurance (for 4 years) and 4 years towards state retirement (though it takes 8 years to get vested). Smart. Then there is no Title IX to deal with because there?s no federal aid. We can cut most women?s sports and save the university a ton of money.

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Remember that they only have a high school education coming in (and I'll bet that most didn't do too well at that), and that doesn't demand a very high salary. They'd have trouble paying tuition, books, room, and board so they might want to think about their demands. They had it a lot better than other students before the NIL nonsense started; now it's gotten ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

Seriously guys, you act like the players do not hold all the cards here. They do, because colleges need these players, not the other way around. Sure the low ranked players need the colleges, .

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The school is the dealer of the cards. The players have only one place to go to showcase their talent for the pros. The school provides the platform, training, and facilities ... and more to prepare athletes for the pros. One hand washes the other.

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

All of those would have to be covered in additional to the salary and fringe benefits. Seriously guys, you act like the players do not hold all the cards here. They do, because colleges need these players, not the other way around. Sure the low ranked players need the colleges, but the guys we need to compete in the top of the SEC holds literally all the cards.

MSU should come out and put together a dynamite full package based on recruit ranking with some options for the coaching staff to offer above slot for key players.

Full package
Salary for starters
Salary for back ups
Signing bonuses based on recruit level
Full tuition
Full room and board off campus
Preferred parking and choice of new charger or challenger/mustang lease
Bonuses based on performance criteria
Signing bonuses each year on campus

Performance based unless replaced or cut.
Contracts can be made for a year or multiple years, and bonuses reflect the commitment.

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you can't be serious .... does this mean they don't have to take or pass the ACT now ?

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

All of those would have to be covered in additional to the salary and fringe benefits. Seriously guys, you act like the players do not hold all the cards here. They do, because colleges need these players, not the other way around. Sure the low ranked players need the colleges, but the guys we need to compete in the top of the SEC holds literally all the cards.

MSU should come out and put together a dynamite full package based on recruit ranking with some options for the coaching staff to offer above slot for key players.

Full package
Salary for starters
Salary for back ups
Signing bonuses based on recruit level
Full tuition
Full room and board off campus
Preferred parking and choice of new charger or challenger/mustang lease
Bonuses based on performance criteria
Signing bonuses each year on campus

Performance based unless replaced or cut.
Contracts can be made for a year or multiple years, and bonuses reflect the commitment.

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I guess I disagree here. There were colleges before there was any kind of extracurricular ports program. If players/sports leave the universities, then Maybe now they can focus on and improve the education product they deliver.

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

Hahah. They don’t realize they already get more than most employees.

ETA: I like the idea. Just pull scholarships. Have them sign a buyout contract. Give them a salary and a signing bonus and let them figure out the rest with NIL deals. Of course, they will have to figure out how to remain in class and pay for tuition, books, room and board…but hey…they get paid like all the other adults now!!! It ALLLLLL equal now. They will even get health insurance (for 4 years) and 4 years towards state retirement (though it takes 8 years to get vested). Smart. Then there is no Title IX to deal with because there’s no federal aid. We can cut most women’s sports and save the university a ton of money.

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If you're going that far why would you require them to attend/pay for classes? Some aren't interested in the classes at all and are just there because of the requirement.

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Originally Posted by redstickdawg

this may be the beginning of the end for widespread college sports, this could have major impacts upon women's sports especially.

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I mean, they are already allowing dudes to play women's sports. The impact has already been made.

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Originally Posted by FISHDAWG

you can't be serious .... does this mean they don't have to take or pass the ACT now ?

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Sure they have to take the ACT and pass their classes. That is part of being a student. Why would you ask such a thing?

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

I guess I disagree here. There were colleges before there was any kind of extracurricular ports program. If players/sports leave the universities, then Maybe now they can focus on and improve the education product they deliver.

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Oh, you are correct. We could just disband our entire athletic program and continue to have just a university and return back to the time when a fat slow 240 lb fat white kid can walk on and be our starting DE. Is that what your are proposing?
This is the game now. We either play the game earlier, faster, and better than everyone else, or we just get the 17 out of the way so Bama can do this.

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

The school is the dealer of the cards. The players have only one place to go to showcase their talent for the pros. The school provides the platform, training, and facilities ... and more to prepare athletes for the pros. One hand washes the other.

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The current system will change, unless it is less of an issue to keep the status quo.

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

Oh, you are correct. We could just disband our entire athletic program and continue to have just a university and return back to the time when a fat slow 240 lb fat white kid can walk on and be our starting DE. Is that what your are proposing?
This is the game now. We either play the game earlier, faster, and better than everyone else, or we just get the 17 out of the way so Bama can do this.

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I'm not advocating disbanding our sports program. I want and I think a fair percentage of people want college sports to remain amateur. Let the pro-minded or capable athletes go to a semi-pro league separate from the university. Let the university field students first, that are also athletes. Sports used to be called "extracurricular" like any other after school/classroom activities. It was not a "major".

That is what I miss. And yes, I would like all schools to adopt that model.

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

I'm not advocating disbanding our sports program. I want and I think a fair percentage of people want college sports to remain amateur. Let the pro-minded or capable athletes go to a semi-pro league separate from the university. Let the university field students first, that are also athletes. Sports used to be called "extracurricular" like any other after school/classroom activities. It was not a "major".

That is what I miss. And yes, I would like all schools to adopt that model.

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Like the system we currently have in BASEBALL

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

Hahah. They don?t realize they already get more than most employees.

ETA: I like the idea. Just pull scholarships. Have them sign a buyout contract. Give them a salary and a signing bonus and let them figure out the rest with NIL deals. Of course, they will have to figure out how to remain in class and pay for tuition, books, room and board?but hey?they get paid like all the other adults now!!! It ALLLLLL equal now. They will even get health insurance (for 4 years) and 4 years towards state retirement (though it takes 8 years to get vested). Smart. Then there is no Title IX to deal with because there?s no federal aid. We can cut most women?s sports and save the university a ton of money.

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Tax free too. I am ready to see the tax bill on what they are given in tuition, room, board and stiffen. It will also be earned income. So SS Tax on the first 142K something like that

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

If I were the SEC commission and this happened, I would get all SEC schools to ban together and charge each student athlete (as a debit to their NIL and employee status) for training and care while a member of the teams.

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What makes you think that this specific thing is not part of the benefits package offered to the student/employee/athlete? You think these players are going to go to a school that doesn't offer this are part of the package? You don't own a business I see.