So if Chance Lovertich beats out Will Rogers....

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08-17-2021, 11:48 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by dawgman15

Until we can put an O-Line that can block better these are going to continue being dreams

Oline is certainly important, but QB has to help them some. Hell, leach just said he'd like to see will avoid some of the sacks. He could avoid em with the 2 things I said he's lacking in: athleticism and quicker decision making
08-17-2021, 11:52 AM
KOdawg1

We'll see how big of a jump he makes this year. Robertson has way more arm talent but because he came in June, he's way behind. Will seems to be a hard worker and a leader, so I'm hoping he takes a step forward this year. I have concerns about his arm talent and decision making too, but I think he's kinda our option by default this year. Next year will be the real battle.
08-17-2021, 11:53 AM
confucius say

Madkin was a redshirt freshman in 98 right?
08-17-2021, 11:55 AM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

The best QB that never won anything. Doesn't say much.
Trevor Lawrence, Tua, Cam Newton, Patrick Mahommes, Johnny Football, Dak, etc.
That is who we should be comparing him to. Every other QB is a bunch of losers that fell short of our ultimate goals.

We need to stop comparing him to our best, and start comparing our players to the best nationwide. Cause that is what it is going to take to compete.

Absolutely one of the worst posts I've ever read on this board. I will never take anything you say seriously after this. It takes more than a quarterback to win national championships. Just because they didn't win it all doesn't make them losers.
08-17-2021, 11:56 AM
FISHDAWG

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Oline is certainly important, but QB has to help them some. Hell, leach just said he'd like to see will avoid some of the sacks. He could avoid em with the 2 things I said he's lacking in: athleticism and quicker decision making

Schrader had both of those and we see how that worked out for him ... fwiw- I was pissed that we didn't start Schrader and hated to see him leave. I have faith that Will can and will take hold of this offense
08-17-2021, 11:57 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Madkin was a redshirt freshman in 98 right?

Coulda been
08-17-2021, 11:58 AM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Some of you take criticism of will Rogers way too personal.

Some of us know how to put things into perspective and not just look up stats.
08-17-2021, 11:59 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

Some of us know how to put things into perspective and not just look up stats.

Maybe so. So you predicting a 4-year starter out of will?
08-17-2021, 12:09 PM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Maybe so. So you predicting a 4-year starter out of will?

I tend to stay away from making predictions without having ample knowledge of the situation. Like predicting W/L now. I see some things in Will that tell me he can be special. But he has to continue to improve - And I believe he will but to what degree. But this offensive scheme will have to improve as well in my opinion. Midway through this season we will all have a better idea. And if Will Starts as a junior, he will not have a senior season. Any kid that can command the room as a freshman has the ability to be special.
08-17-2021, 01:36 PM
NCDawg

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Originally Posted by dawgman15

Until we can put an O-Line that can block better these are going to continue being dreams

This is the correct answer. If you don't give the QB time to throw, he isn't going to be very productive, no matter who the QB is. The OL has been a problem for State for many years.
08-17-2021, 01:50 PM
FISHDAWG

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Maybe so. So you predicting a 4-year starter out of will?

Last 4 year starter I remember was John Bond .... Even Dak wasn't a 4 year starter.
08-17-2021, 02:06 PM
Maverick91

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Obviously it's just a guess, and I could be totally wrong. I just see a guy with avg (or below) arm strength and avg (or below) athleticism. This can be overcome by really good, quick decision making and outstanding accuracy. Maybe he has this ability.

I wanna see a guy that make a team defend the whole field and make a pass rusher miss.

Tom Brady
08-17-2021, 02:06 PM
HancockCountyDog

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Maybe so. So you predicting a 4-year starter out of will?

If I was a betting man, I?d bet that Will is the starter for next three years. As long as Leach is the coach.
08-17-2021, 02:19 PM
NCDawg

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

If I was a betting man, I?d bet that Will is the starter for next three years. As long as Leach is the coach.

I was impressed with Rogers' accuracy last year. If we can give him time to throw and the receivers can get a little separation, I think he can be very good.
08-17-2021, 02:20 PM
Lord McBuckethead

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Originally Posted by dawgman15

No offense, I love Dak. We never won anything significant with him either with your same thought process

That?s true. But he did take us to #1. You are right though. He didn?t win anything of note.
08-17-2021, 02:22 PM
Lord McBuckethead

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Originally Posted by NCDawg

This is the correct answer. If you don't give the QB time to throw, he isn't going to be very productive, no matter who the QB is. The OL has been a problem for State for many years.

Yep. But some like Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahommes overcomes OL play. We basically need a Superman back there. Not too much to ask.
08-17-2021, 02:25 PM
Lord McBuckethead

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Originally Posted by dawgman15

No offense, I love Dak. We never won anything significant with him either with your same thought process

Only difference was that Dak took us to where we need to be. A threat to win every game we play. The talk of the nation. People know MSU because of Dak. He single handily upped the property values in Starkville. Seriously, dude changed the town. Imagine if we had 12 straight years of Dak type of player production and leadership on the field.
08-17-2021, 02:26 PM
Lord McBuckethead

Either way, I am looking for 7k passing yards and 1500 rushing out of one guy. As close as we can get to it. Do it, and we win.
08-17-2021, 02:29 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by NCDawg

I was impressed with Rogers' accuracy last year. If we can give him time to throw and the receivers can get a little separation, I think he can be very good.

Sorta my point... surround him with better players, and they'll lift him up. With this offense, we need a qb that will lift up those around him
08-17-2021, 02:36 PM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

Either way, I am looking for 7k passing yards and 1500 rushing out of one guy. As close as we can get to it. Do it, and we win.

So 1200 yards more in a season than the current CFB record? along with breaking MSU's single season rushing record by a couple of hundred yards? You are on crack.

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